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Old 07-27-2007, 12:12 PM   #1
 
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Unhappy Bubbles occurred on some lovely models.

I met several collectors in Hong Kong these 2 weeks and we talked about models of course. All of use mentioned that bubbles occurred on some models especially some recent DW and Phoenix releases. I would like to know if there is same problem out there? Some collectors said it's because of the hot and wet weather here in Hong Kong. But I don't find any problem on those models I bought few years ago.

And about the bubbles, they are very small occured under the paint on the models, some of them would grow up and become bigger. Is it because of the low quality of paint used? I don't know, but this problem make us quite disappointed as some bubbles appeard on the models that we bought just for few months.

Here are some of the models with bubbles occured told by local collectors:
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1. Singapore Airlines B777-200 Jubilee
2. United Airlines B777-200NC
3. Qatar Airways A380
4. China Eastern A340-600 World Expo 2010 Shanghai
5. Austrian Airlines A340-300 Wiener Philharmoniker

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1. Oasis Hong Kong B747-400
2. Malaysia B747-400 Hibiscus
3. Qantas B737-800 Commonwealth Games logojet
4. Airbus A380 House Colour

GJ
1. Virgin Atlantic A340-600

This thread is never to offend any model makers but as a collector, we hope to keep the models which have good quality enough to last longer time.

Here are 2 pics to show the bubbles on the wings of VS A346



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Wow ! Scary !
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Interesting to see DW in this list.

But most of the models you name are pretty new, so before anyone starts about "incidents" or "won't happen again", I think it's pretty fair to say that we invest our money in crap that falls apart.
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I'm sorry for you Mr CX but your models are faling apart! This is not happening because of the air but it's the metal.

In a couple of day's i'm going to start to pack my models as i'm going to move so as soon as i will find a model with this problem they will go right on Ebay. I had this before with my AC KLM 732 and i'm not going to hit my head twice against the same rock!
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Bingo! My GJ Iraqi 742 has cracks all over the fuselage!

Damn......................................

Now i have think really good what to do next. Give up this hobby and have nothing or keep them with the risk that i'm throwing away my money????
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Looks like "zinc pest" which is caused by the use of low quality zinc alloy. If this is what it is, you can pretty much kiss those models goodbye. They will eventually disintegrate.

At some point, I believe all of the model manufacturers have had models that have developed this affliction.
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Looks like "zinc pest" which is caused by the use of low quality zinc alloy. If this is what it is, you can pretty much kiss those models goodbye. They will eventually disintegrate.
At some point, I believe all of the model manufacturers have had models that have developed this affliction.

'you can pretty much kiss those models goodbye. They will eventually disintegrate.'

AUUUUUUUUCHHH that is going to hurt for a lot of collectors!


Well guys you can do 3 things:

1/ Keep on collecting and hope that you will miss that boat.

2/ Keep on collecting and wait untill they will fall apart.

3/ Stop collecting and sell them before it's too late and will loose all your money.

Hehehe what's it going to be guys??????

Time for a poll.
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Bingo! My GJ Iraqi 742 has cracks all over the fuselage!
Damn......................................
Now i have think really good what to do next. Give up this hobby and have nothing or keep them with the risk that i'm throwing away my money????
Relax pal, we are all throwing away our money...
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Since we've all discussed this problem before, there is probably nothing new to add. As WP said, we're all wasting our money anyway, but it's on something that we enjoy. If you're scared that all of your models will end up little white piles, maybe it's time to look for a new hobby. I'll continue to take my chances, and if I get disgusted by the problem, I'll get out. No biggie.
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As I mentioned, more and more recent released models come with the problems and those I bought many years ago are still fine. (DW Wunala Dreaming B744 as example, no cracks, no bubbles, still in perfect condition.) Why? What I guess is the model producers release models as quick as possible for money and leave the quality away right now. As I know, for DW, they keep changing the factory in China, maybe models were produced with some skipping processes and cause the problems. I don't know, this is just what I guess.
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Mr. CX, I'm curious to know about the PHX A-380 problem; is it the body or wing which has the problem?
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Just today, I noticed that the STAND to my Corgi Tornado had bubbling paint. Large, perfectly circular single bubbles---not the many small clumped ones like is normally reported. And Corgi's limited edition planes aren't cheap nor is Corgi a low-quality brand by any means.
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Mr. CX, I'm curious to know about the PHX A-380 problem; is it the body or wing which has the problem?

body, bubbles started occurred nearly the airliner logos. And Andrew, I missed the Garuda A300B4, and they are sold out in HK market. Help me Help me Help me!

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Well guys you can do 3 things:

1/ Keep on collecting and hope that you will miss that boat.

2/ Keep on collecting and wait untill they will fall apart.

3/ Stop collecting and sell them before it's too late and will loose all your money.

Hehehe what's it going to be guys??????
What's it going be? I say keep collecting and send them all to me.
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Here are 2 pics of DW Singapore Airlines B777-200 Jubilee. This is one of my very favourites models. But it ends up like this. every local collector I know have the same problem too. The question is, do the producers know what caused this? Why those 9 yr old models are still fine and this young one doesn't?

Nowadays, models are produced as quickly as the factories can (Today, there was a TV program in HK showing the cheap labours used in mainland China Toy Factories, some of them work more than 90 hours a week once the they got a rush order and those labours couldn't even get a reasonable payment, I did feel upset about them.) Models are more and more expensive than before. DW puts up the price 30% more at least than before for example. (Price increased on GJ, Herpa, Phoenix models too of course.) We pay our money and hope to get quality products. That's all what I want at least. Don't produce the models in rush and flood the market, we need quality. And I hate those crap brands...

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I suspect that with the rush to complete orders and with the initially low skilled workforce - the castings are not completely clean and dry before proceeding to the next stage - or layers of paint are not given time to dry - that would account for the bubbles and the hot humidity of Hong Kong does appear to affect models more so than elsewhere - the broken wings etc that appear would perhaps be due to foreign material in the molten metal (I heard the story of the p*ssed off worker doing just that into the vat or whatever and the resultant castings were not good for purpose!)
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I'm curious, did anybody gave a feedback to DW/GJ, and if yes, what was their answer (if any...) : replacement, refund, discount, nothing ?
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Mr CX,
my SQ T72 also but not as bad as yours.
My Iraqi 742 appears fine so far.
Looks like the labour intensive task of inspecting every model.
ummmm great.

I sent Dragon USA an email and I'll let you know if and what they respond with.

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my SQ T72 also but not as bad as yours.
My Iraqi 742 appears fine so far.
Looks like the labour intensive task of inspecting every model.
ummmm great.

I sent Dragon USA an email and I'll let you know if and what they respond with.


Thank you very much! That means the problem caused not because of the weather in HK. Seems many of us got the same problems on the SQ777. What a pity, I do love this model much! Hi GJ, you has the best 777 mould, please re-do this model with Jubilee title, please please!
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Man, that sucks. But, do you ever take the models outside? you must have a/c.
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Bubbles on this lovely model as well... ;-)

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Bubbles? I don't understand. I just put all my collection in a new glass case and went through all of them. I don't see any problems with them. The oldest ones are almost ten years old and nothing. Could it be the area were peolpe live?
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I've checked everywhere, but couldn't find these kind of bubbles...
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I've checked everywhere, but couldn't find these kind of bubbles...
I found one but the price is much higher.
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