Again, please get your facts straight. There is no MSRP for Aeroclassics!! I will remind you again of what we retailers receive on EVERY AeroClassics announcement. Sorry for the CAPS, this is how ADI publishes it:
"AT THE MANUFACTURER’S REQUEST, WE WILL NO LONGER BE LISTING SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICES. IT WILL BE UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE RESPECTIVE RETAILER WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO CHARGE"
Besides, do you know what the "S" in MSRP stands for?
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Russell, all along i have been talking to your good name. Now you insult me? Pathetic. MSRP is Manufacturer's Suggester Retail Price. "Suggested" is the operative word in that accronym. Even if AC "suggest' that the KLM L-1049 be sold for $29.95 it does not mean that it "WILL" be sold for $29.95. The accronym is merely a guideline so that we retailers know where to begin with our pricing.
Russell, all along i have been talking to your good name. Now you insult me? Pathetic. MSRP is Manufacturer's Suggester Retail Price. "Suggested" is the operative word in that accronym. Even if AC "suggest' that the KLM L-1049 be sold for $29.95 it does not mean that it "WILL" be sold for $29.95. The accronym is merely a guideline so that we retailers know where to begin with our pricing.
Goldy
Goldy - Apologies, not meaning to insult you - but you still miss the point!
There IS NO Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price for Aeroclassics !!!
AC, nor ADI, do NOT "suggest" any prices !!
So there is no guideline !!
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To sell something at a very low price hurts both the retail base and the customer base. When one retailer offers a product far below that of the norm then eventally a majority of the customer base will gravitate to that price or certainly to that business. The low price retailer will gain a majority of the business while at the same time all of the income will be sucked from the retailers who practice MSRP pricing.
Boycott Wal-Mart, Target and Best Buy! When New Release Tuesday rolls around next week, do NOT purchase any CDs and/or DVDs from them. These loathsome Big Box Retailers are trying to stick it to the little Mom-and-Pop stores, and have historically destroyed downtown retail districts (although shopping malls also had a hand in that). Plus, the bastards raise their prices a week after the releases go on sale!
Wal-Mart and Target are especially lethal to other Big Box Retailers. In toy retailing, they are making Toys R Us rethink its bricks-and-mortar strategy. Sears and Kmart responded to the gruesome twosome by merging. And don't even get me started on Home Depot crushing local hardware stores!
Can anything stop this relentless consumer assault?
Boycott Wal-Mart, Target and Best Buy! When New Release Tuesday rolls around next week, do NOT purchase any CDs and/or DVDs from them. These loathsome Big Box Retailers are trying to stick it to the little Mom-and-Pop stores, and have historically destroyed downtown retail districts (although shopping malls also had a hand in that). Plus, the bastards raise their prices a week after the releases go on sale!
Wal-Mart and Target are especially lethal to other Big Box Retailers. In toy retailing, they are making Toys R Us rethink its bricks-and-mortar strategy. Sears and Kmart responded to the gruesome twosome by merging. And don't even get me started on Home Depot crushing local hardware stores!
Can anything stop this relentless consumer assault?
I am with you on that, Gavman. Many years ago I owned a chain of forists. The chain concept to cut cost and to compete. All was well until the big chain supermarkets decided that they had to sell flowers too. I found it hard to compete with their low priced flowers. The same was true with the man who leased next door. He had a video movie rental business. Block Buster figured out how well he was doing, set up store a cross the street and drove him out of business.
Low prices will do that to a business. It is better for the consumer only in that they pay less for the product but what does the consumer give up in return?
Goldy - Apologies, not meaning to insult you - but you still miss the point!
There IS NO Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price for Aeroclassics !!!
AC, nor ADI, do NOT "suggest" any prices !!
So there is no guideline !!
Thanks!
I hear you, brother. I used the MSRP retailer as a label to seperate the sentence or to clarify the difference between they and a discount retailer. Just a label because I am aware of ADI/AC policy of not using the MSRP process for AC products. You do know that ADI does suggest prices for Gemini Jet and Phoeinix models.
I am with you on that, Gavman. Many years ago I owned a chain of forists. The chain concept to cut cost and to compete. All was well until the big chain supermarkets decided that they had to sell flowers too. I found it hard to compete with their low priced flowers. The same was true with the man who leased next door. He had a video movie rental business. Block Buster figured out how well he was doing, set up store a cross the street and drove him out of business.
Low prices will do that to a business. It is better for the consumer only in that they pay less for the product but what does the consumer give up in return?
Goldy
Is that not the American way there Peewee? Cut prices and cut the b*lls off your competition in order to corner the market! Granted that is not happening in this case as AHS is clearly not dumping products, and it's just some weird petty vendetta that Klink has.
To Mr. Klien's point. He does not want one discount retailer controlling the price of his product nor does he wish for a trend to begin that will dry up the supply and profits for his product to the broad majority of retailers that Mr. Klien must be loyal to. They are probably complaining to him about the low pricing. What else can he do but respond on their behalf? If he ignors them then he will lose their business. In the end it is only he and Russell. A one manufacturer and one retailer show.
Come on, guys, what we are talking about here is a business decision that more benefits all retailers who carry the some product lines as does Russell. Don't get me wrong I would love to see Russell thrive in his business. By all accounts he is a great guy and this is America after all. We also need to be both resonable and smart about how we go about conducting our business. That thought comes from my retailer mind set.
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Ssmart? Reasonable? Fair? Come on Peewee. What about all of those Green Box models that certain preferred retailers get to market. I seem to recall the CX L-188 earlier this year that a few connected retailers were charging upwards of $65 a piece for. And don't go insulting the collectors' intelligence that they are not Aeroclassics models...just because the box doesn't bear the name doesn't necessarily mean it can't be traced back to AK's control
Low prices will do that to a business. It is better for the consumer only in that they pay less for the product but what does the consumer give up in return?
You heard the man! Avoid the big chains if you're going to be doing any Day After Christmas Shopping, it'll just encourage them! And speaking of big chains, how about the racket that Starbucks has going for them, separating people around the world from their hard-earned money on what are essentially cups of coffee!!!
Is that not the American way there Peewee? Cut prices and cut the b*lls off your competition in order to corner the market! Granted that is not happening in this case as AHS is clearly not dumping products, and it's just some weird petty vendetta that Klink has.
Amen, brother, it is the American way.
I never had the feeling that Andrew had a vendetta toward Russell. He may have never met Russell. I think that Russell should call AK, he has tired but AK is in China, and they can talk it out. It is that simple.
Although I agree with Mr Klein's decision not to sell to any particular retailer for whatever economic reason he chooses, I'm not sure how AHS's selling at a lower price hurts other retailers. Aren't Aeroclassics made in limited numbers? If AHS runs out of models quickly won't collectors have to go to the other retailers? I have seen other online stores sell models that are 10%-20% higher than let's say jetcollector.com. Should they be punished for gouging?
Ssmart? Reasonable? Fair? Come on Peewee. What about all of those Green Box models that certain preferred retailers get to market. I seem to recall the CX L-188 earlier this year that a few connected retailers were charging upwards of $65 a piece for. And don't go insulting the collectors' intelligence that they are not Aeroclassics models...just because the box doesn't bear the name doesn't necessarily mean it can't be traced back to AK's control
I wish I could have gotten my hands on some of those CX-L188 myself. Yet I don't think that the manufacturer or the distributor can control the high price either. Perhaps some reverse logic will occure and the manufacturer will alert the retailer that is gouging the public and advice to stop the practice or run the risk of losing their supply? Who knows.
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What about all of those Green Box models that certain preferred retailers get to market.
What about them? Were you aware that the distributors for those Cathays were in Hong Kong? And if I'm not mistaken, they were the same (greedy) folks that have a hand in BB400. That, and only that, was the reason for the high price and lack of availability. Those American retailers who knew the distributors, could get stock of them, granted at the premium price.
This represents an average 21% markup across the releases, 23% on some, and on one model, I had a 30% markup. Hardly "dumping".
That is dumping in my book Russell and Andrew's as well. At least give the product a chance to sell at a decent markup before it is released. When the product looks like it isn't doing well after a month then you can feel free to dump all day long.
And that little quip about sharing wholesale prices should get you cut off from every supplier in the book. Your professionalism is now a 1 out of 10.
...What about all of those Green Box models that certain preferred retailers get to market. I seem to recall the CX L-188 earlier this year that a few connected retailers were charging upwards of $65 a piece for. And don't go insulting the collectors' intelligence that they are not Aeroclassics models...just because the box doesn't bear the name doesn't necessarily mean it can't be traced back to AK's control
First of all, this type of release helps make up for the models that sell at wholesale cost after sitting on shelves too long. Thank God there are a few collectors out there that understand the concept of having to pay extra for a premium model. Kinda like the guys who opt for Porsche over a Corvette.
Of course the CX was made using the same mould as the AC Electras. Certainly doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out. But what goes on behind factory doors and who AK decides to LEASE his mould to is his business. I can guarantee that every owner of one of these gems is grateful and proud to have it in their collection.
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That is dumping in my book Russell and Andrew's as well. At least give the product a chance to sell at a decent markup before it is released. When the product looks like it isn't doing well after a month then you can feel free to dump all day long.
And that little quip about sharing wholesale prices should get you cut off from every supplier in the book. Your professionalism is now a 1 out of 10.
So what would be an effective markup, screw the customer for 30, 40, 50%?
His prices seem to be inline with all the other retailers that are selling AC. Sure some of the ebay shops like to really jack up the price, but they don't always get the prices that they are after.
Why would the truth hurt AHS. AK likes to come across as the truth detector, he gave some bullsh*t excuse for dropping AHS, so Russell came back with exact figures, proving he wasn't dumping product.
Since he likes to brag that new AC releases are selling out in about 70 something hours, how is this hurting the brand image of AC. I think that AK does more to hurt his own companies image than anyone else could possibly do.
Collector's get screwed out of another retail source. That makes it everyone's business. Not that Jabba the Klein gives a hoot about that.
It is obvious SMA whore that you know little about the businss world. I don't deny that some collectors may be affected. That does not mean that they have any say in the matter or should even be aware of it. Manufacturers have a right to control the pricing of their products and most do just that. Since you and your ilk (like David Mich) have stated publicly that you will not buy AC products you are not affected anyway. Let's face it. You don't care about this matter. You just enjoy any opportunity to bash Andrew Klein.
First of all, this type of release helps make up for the models that sell at wholesale cost after sitting on shelves too long. Thank God there are a few collectors out there that understand the concept of having to pay extra for a premium model. Kinda like the guys who opt for Porsche over a Corvette.
Of course the CX was made using the same mould as the AC Electras. Certainly doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out. But what goes on behind factory doors and who AK decides to LEASE his mould to is his business. I can guarantee that every owner of one of these gems is grateful and proud to have it in their collection.
I would hardly classify the Aeroclassics L-188 2nd generation is a premium model as it has its noteworthy imperfections on the nose and vertical stab.
I also find totally laughable how at the time of these releases how you, AK, KenB came onto the Buzz and casued alot of mayhem on that forum for Shawn, JP, and Gordon absolutely denying any Aeroclassics involvement with that piece to the point that Shawn graciously removed and modified the announcement...only now to finally get another another version admitting the obvious. Thank you so very much. And the lease concept does not provide AC any safe harbor, especially since this has been a recurring pattern...so I don't know why even bring it up unless you think it gives companies as AC a false sense of security re the licensing issue.
No it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the origin of those models, but it does take a rocket scientist to finally expose the obvious. Man if my rep doesn't go up on the Buzz I'll have to have a serious talk with them ilky guys over there. Shoot, I just might have to join your forum Faheem!
And another thing, if this model was supposed be a "make up model" for others that sell at whole cost, how come again it ws only available at a few select retailers. Why weren't all retailers included. I am sure there are many other retailers that have surplous stock that they need to let go.
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So Andrew is right, it's his business and he can control it how he sees fit.
And I can vote with my wallet. Luckily all AC releases can be done in 1/144 for about half the price.
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I also find totally laughable how at the time of these releases how you, AK, KenB came onto the Buzz and casued alot of mayhem on that forum for Shawn, JP, and Gordon absolutely denying any Aeroclassics involvement with that piece to the point that Shawn graciously removed and modified the announcement...only now to finally get another another version admitting the obvious.
What's the 'obvious'? The only obvious is that the AC MOULD was used. No one denied that. Much like the GJ 757 mould is being used for the America West 757 recently announced... It does not mean that Andrew or Elliot had anything to do with the respective models. The factories themselves can make these (or other) models as has been seen with the creation of Phoenix and BB400.
What's the 'obvious'? The only obvious is that the AC MOULD was used. No one denied that. Much like the GJ 757 mould is being used for the America West 757 recently announced... It does not mean that Andrew or Elliot had anything to do with the respective models. The factories themselves can make these (or other) models as has been seen with the creation of Phoenix and BB400.
My friend, we are wasting our time trying to explain such basic concepts to people who hate Andrew. They don't get it, they never will and quite frankly it really doesn't matter.
What's the 'obvious'? The only obvious is that the AC MOULD was used. No one denied that. It does not mean that Andrew or Elliot had anything to do with the respective models. The factories themselves can make these (or other) models as has been seen with the creation of Phoenix and BB400.
so how then does the AC MOULD get used without AC's involvement? Do the other factories send men in black to steal the moulds at midnight? Or does AC get money from them for leasing the mould? Or as I rather suspect, does AC just make the damn things themselves and package them in plain boxes (or Pan Am boxes) and pretend they come from somewhere else?
I´ve read an article in a German weekly recently. It was about Chinese companies manufacturing parts and stuff (here it was kitchen appliances) for German companies, who sold them under their own name, and subjected them to their own quality control. They bought so many of them, and that was it. However, the Chinese company still produced them, quick-and-dirty and substandard. They used the same moulds they did before, which had the brand name embossed in them. Then they sold the "fake" ones to eastern Europe, where (of course) they were sold under the German brand name embossed in them. They worked improperly and blew up in the customers´ faces, the German company got blamed, and they had no idea about the whole thing. All they could do was, to save their reputation, repair and improve the copycat appliances. However, the Chinese factory made big Bucks (or whatever they have in China) from the whole incident; everybody else lost.
Listen!!I am a retailer.If Russell,or whoever is whoreing out New releases THAT HURTS ME!!How am I suppose to pay for my WEBSITE,MY SHIPPING PACKAGES,MY OVERHEAD????We deserve a FAIR PROFIT,and for you guys to even be arguing about this is Childish.$1.00 over invoice????WERE not selling cars here.Do you go into TOYS R US and haggle over the prive of a brand new Playstation 2???NO,You pay 300.00 then it gets old and drops to 150.00.What type of mark-up do you think there is anyway.People wen't complaining when SMA were selling there planes for 28.00 for a 737 and 36.00 for a 747.So whats the deal?why now and why Aeroclassics????
I am sure Andrew is not really speaking for himself,because he will sell out of all his planes and make HIS PROFIT,But he is speaking UP for the retailers like me who are affraid to say anything,because it will hurt what little business they have now.From what I gathered Russell sells more then just Diecast Aircraft in 1/400 so it dosent hurt his bottom line,but places like skyjets400 who sell ONLY 1/400 and 1/500 have to go from open 4 days a week to only
open on saturdays to the public.They can't cover the overhead.As for SMACGROUPIE I have been watching you on here and all you do is attack Andrew.Everytime he posts' you always have something negative to say about him.Its time you laid off of him.its getting old.
Andrew,here is my solution....Demand a certain price from your retailers.$28.00 foe certain planes like 727's and what about 36.00 for 747's.If SMA can sell them for that why cant Aeroclassics?After about a month or 2,or even longer a retailer then has the right to drop the price to move that unit to make room for NEW REALEASES.If they Do NOT follow this you get rid of that retailer.I THINK THATS FAIR...
Listen!!I am a retailer.If Russell,or whoever is whoreing out New releases THAT HURTS ME!!How am I suppose to pay for my WEBSITE,MY SHIPPING PACKAGES,MY OVERHEAD????We deserve a FAIR PROFIT,and for you guys to even be arguing about this is Childish."????
boo hoo, do you think the consumer cares if you're getting hurt? have you heard of a free market economy and how it works? if you can't swim in the deep side, get out of the pool, simple as that. and i think this thread has already determined that the "$1.00 over invoice" was pure bull**** that someone mischievously put out there.
Yes you do deserve a fair profit, but you can't have a hissy-fit if someone undercuts you. that's how capitalism works. if you want price fixing go and find a communist country to live in. i'm always amazed at how "free market" people suddenly become socialist the minute a competitor arrives on the horizon!
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they have now.From what I gathered Russell sells more then just Diecast Aircraft in 1/400 so it dosent hurt his bottom line,but places like skyjets400 who sell ONLY 1/400 and 1/500 have to go from open 4 days a week to only open on saturdays to the public.They can't cover the overhead.
well, that's tough, but that's capitalism isn't it? some make it, some dont. if you want price fixing and "market protection", then i suggest as before that you find a communist country to live in.
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Andrew,here is my solution....Demand a certain price from your retailers.
that's called price-fixing where i live, and it's illegal.
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make room for NEW REALEASES.If they Do NOT follow this you get rid of that retailer.I THINK THATS FAIR...
i think you need to find a new career cause you have no friggin clue how a free market works. stalin woulda loved your ideas though....
hehe, i'm amazed at just how socialist a lot of so-called capitalists are the minute their business starts doing a little badly...
btw, lemme know which retailer you are, cause i wanna stay FAR away from someone with that kinda mentality...
Rogerza,What do you do for a living?????What do you think we pay fpr these planes????What kinda profit do you think we have in these planes?????
Im not saying that we make 100% mark-up on these planes,but if I were to make 30% from cost I would be happy.A toy store NEVER sells a NEW product for less then what is RECOMMENDED from the manufacturer.I have been in sales for 15+ years and when a new car comes in the dealership NEVER sells the car for INVOICE.Sometimes they charge over invoice.Dealers who consistantly sell there cars for invoice or below Usually go out of business pretty quick.and Russell who is NOT worried about profit,because he sell other product to cover that.I think that its pretty selfish not to think of the other retailers.This is real world business.
Its funny you are crying that this is price fixing.go into a toy store and try to haggle about price.you are the type of person that CRY'S about the price of the plane then CRY'S that he isn't getting crap for his planes on E-bay.
I know what your intention is RogerZA. Your the typical Tight A.S.S. who wants everything for FREE,or at cost.I deal with your type everyday.If you don't like the prices the retailers HAVE to sell there planes for then go find a NEW hobby.we don't need your type here anyway
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All very shady I must say...
Maybe for you, but as I said in my earlier post; I am happy to own two Greenbox Cathay Electra's and two Pan Am Model co 707's.
I am also happy to own a "Do-Do Model" and a "Flying Colors" release which are obviously on the Dragon Wings mould. Funny, I never heard anyone breaking a fuss over where those models came from
BA777-236,I will have to agree with N. Eberhard.Some of these guys are rookies (RogerZA) and some of these guys will say anything against Andrew (SMACGROUPIE)People like smacgroupie go on a rant and get people like RogerZA who has no clue whats going on believing what they say.Its ignorance.
Maybe for you, but as I said in my earlier post; I am happy to own two Greenbox Cathay Electra's and two Pan Am Model co 707's.
as am i about the PanAM Model Co plane I got.
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I am also happy to own a "Do-Do Model" and a "Flying Colors" release which are obviously on the Dragon Wings mould. Funny, I never heard anyone breaking a fuss over where those models came from
perhaps its cause Mr Dragon Wings doesn't court controversy on the forums all the time?
Im not saying that we make 100% mark-up on these planes,but if I were to make 30% from cost I would be happy.
According to Russell h's prices were marked up by 20-30%. I'm basing my argument on that. I also think that's a fair markup, and i say again, that if you can't compete in an oversaturated market, then go and do something else. that's how a free market economy works.
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and Russell who is NOT worried about profit,because he sell other product to cover that.I think that its pretty selfish not to think of the other retailers.This is real world business.
I doubt very much that Russell (who I only heard of from this thread) is NOT worried about profit. He wouldn't be in business then would he? if he's selling other product to make more, perhaps that's an eye opener for the rest of you entrepeneurs! this market is oversaturated, and price fixing isn't going to help anyone - neither is crying that someone is cheaper than you.
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you are the type of person that CRY'S about the price of the plane then CRY'S that he isn't getting crap for his planes on E-bay.
actually i don't cry over anything. i buy my planes from various sources, and like any consumer i compare prices yes, but I also tend to stick to a handful of retailers that I get good service from. And i *never* sell things on ebay, I buy them cause I want to keep them.
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I know what your intention is RogerZA. Your the typical Tight A.S.S. who wants everything for FREE,or at cost.
I think the retaliers i buy from would disagree with you on that.
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If you don't like the prices the retailers HAVE to sell there planes for then go find a NEW hobby.we don't need your type here anyway
I think the retaliers i buy from would disagree with you on that too
BA777-236,I will have to agree with N. Eberhard.Some of these guys are rookies (RogerZA) and some of these guys will say anything against Andrew (SMACGROUPIE)People like smacgroupie go on a rant and get people like RogerZA who has no clue whats going on believing what they say.Its ignorance.
hey, if you're going to keep calling me names, at least get your facts right ok? i may be a "rookie" on these 1/400 forums, but i've been buying models of all sorts for years now, and i too have more than 15 years of business experience. in fact i retired earlier this year (at 39) because i was successful enough. so don't listen to me - i have NO idea what i'm talking about!
I don't know why if some was successful enough to retire at 39 that they would consider themselves sucessful? How can anyone be successful enough? Sounds like you quit before you reached your potential. To me that sounds more like a quiter. Donald Trump with be very angry with you, Rogerza.
I do agree with Roger in some ways. The market system has to free float. Pricing has to be competitive. I think he said something that was very key to this. That he will buy something based on not only price but based on the service that he receives as well. You get what you pay for by in large.
A bad company can sell a good product for a lower price or a good company can sell a good product for a higher price. The choice sometimes is not the price but the company that sold the product to you. Every retailer has their own idea of what they want to sell the product for and what profit they want to make on it.
Perhaps the biggest disadvantage of the free market system, for the consumer's point of view, is that when demand is high so if price. From the retailer point of view when demand is low price is low.
The message that retailers are sending to Andrew is that someone is reversing the process. They are selling low when demand is high. They don't have to worry about remaining stock because they sold out before demand dropped. Go ugly early is the mentality. This then leaves the rest to deal with an inventory close out.
Did you notice that most products sell for more money when they are first introduced to the market place? After Christmas sales have become an expected event by the American consumer. There is nothing wrong with having an inventory close out sale. That is an individual business decision. I may do it myself.
I don't know why if some was successful enough to retire at 39 that they would consider themselves sucessful? How can anyone be successful enough? Sounds like you quit before you reached your potential. To me that sounds more like a quiter. Donald Trump with be very angry with you, Rogerza.
haha, don't worry i watch The Apprentice sometimes
i'm starting up a new business from Feb though, cause quite frankly I'm now bored with travelling and collecting little airplanes. "potential" is relative though isn't it? i could work til i drop dead, or i could stop working and enjoy what's left of life, I know what I'd choose anyday!
The message that retailers are sending to Andrew is that someone is reversing the process. They are selling low when demand is high. They don't have to worry about remaining stock because they sold out before demand dropped. Go ugly early is the mentality. This then leaves the rest to deal with an inventory close out.
I think this is it in a nut-shell.
Rogerza,I can care less I am just trying to state a fact.I sell these planes for fun,and for the love of these planes,but bottom line.I expect to make a profit FOR MY TIME.I have a real job.I honestly dont think that Russell would get cut off for selling planes for 20% to 30% mark-up.There is more to that.
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neither is crying that someone is cheaper than you.
as for Crying,I think its you who is crying about a $30.00 toy.I simply added my opinion as I read this thread.It is you who attacked me.Why dont you take a look at the tread.........
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oh, now i have a vendetta against poor andrew? the things i learn on these forums.....
Perhaps not you Roger, but quite a few folks do..
I just find it funny that other "mystery models" can be released, with someone saying "oh, that's just the so-and-so mould" and leaving it at that. Then when an AC mould is used, people make a fuss over it.
As for the issue of this thread, I'll repeat what I said earlier on 400SH; In the end, it is Andrew's product and he can decide who sells it and who doesn't! The reason is not important.
Tomorrow if RCA told Wal-Mart not to sell their products, they would have to. On the (MUCH) smaller scale, this case is similar.
I think in the end what goes on between retailers and distributors and manufactures and their personal feelings need to stay within themselves. The hobby is to a point where everyone knows everyone so incidents that occur between a retailer and a manufacture in another hobby would not leak to the general collectorate while here it does.
As for the issue of this thread, I'll repeat what I said earlier on 400SH; In the end, it is Andrew's product and he can decide who sells it and who doesn't! The reason is not important.
Tomorrow if RCA told Wal-Mart not to sell their products, they would have to. On the (MUCH) smaller scale, this case is similar.
yes i fully agree with you. Andrew (as well as anyone else who has a product) can pick and choose who they allow to sell their product. but my argument wasn't against that point, it was against the price-fixing and other weirdness suggested by psalover.
Rogerza,I can care less I am just trying to state a fact.I sell these planes for fun,and for the love of these planes,but bottom line.I expect to make a profit FOR MY TIME.I have a real job.I honestly dont think that Russell would get cut off for selling planes for 20% to 30% mark-up.There is more to that.
Well, if there's more to it than that, then we don't know what it is. As I stated in an earlier post, I was basing my argument on that alone.
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as for Crying,I think its you who is crying about a $30.00 toy.I simply added my opinion as I read this thread.It is you who attacked me.Why dont you take a look at the tread.........
no, i was neither crying nor attacking you. i was arguing against your suggestions of implementing price fixing (which I still believe it is).
Now send me a PM if you like and tell me what your website is, I wanna take a look seeing as how I'm shopping right now...
not all collectors want everything for free (watch my halo sparkle). As a customer, I try to buy from dealers where I had made purchases before, and where everything was OK (I´d like to point out that Goldy offers outstanding service and great prices... ahem, and so does ACB!). The extra buck I sometimes have to pay doesn´t scare me, because I know that a.) a starved dealer won´t sell me any more models, and b.) if there is some trouble, I have no hassles. This to me IS worth the extra buck.
Another advantage I can see in my other hobby (HO scale Swiss model railroads) is that a dealer can show (and test-run) the actual model. Should it break down, I can ask him to repair it. No way I can do so with a cheapo internet dealer. So, again, I´d gladly spend an extra... Euro in that case for extra service.
My statment about keeping 1 price was more out of sarcasim,BUTif you were a regular on this forum you would have probably known that.
As for your idea of price fixing.Lots of manufacturers do it Satrun motor company for one.The price is the price take it or leave it.IS THIS AGAINST THE LAW??? SOMEONE BETTER SUE THEM THEN.
So your saying if Ford tomorrow decided to make all there products one price that would be against the law????
Are you REALLY sure you know what you are talking about??You are talking about the laws in the United States,Right????thats were YOUR from???
that was not intended for the majority.I have been in auto sales for many years so it was more that rogerza was more like the tightest wad customer that comes into the dealership to negotiate over $50.00 on $50,000 car.
I know that customer service is very important,but I have not seen anybody complain about the service at any reputable retailer.I myself have bought from EZ toyz ,Adam Jets,and Buchair,and a few other diecast retailer before I started selling,and ALL of them had great customer service,and got me my planes P.D.Q.SO to say one retailer is better then the other is very hard to believe.I as others send out Priority mail,or Fed Ex,and UPS so delivery time is about 3 days.
with all that in mind why do you REALLY buy from a certain retalier???
a)comfortability with a retailer(don't change if its not broke)
b)conveinence (they are close to where you live)to actually hold it before you buy it is always a plus.
C)PRICE (you can say that you would pay more from someone you have delt with for years,but if they continue to sell it for more then someone else you will undoubtedly go to the cheaper person.Maybe once or twice to get a feel,but after a while you start using that person instead of the person who you always use.Its a PROVEN FACT(of course if its only 1 or 2 dollors diffrence then maybe you wont)YOU can tell me that if Adam Jets was consistantly $5.00 more a plane then EZ Toyz that you would continue to buy from Adam Jets because Luis in Nicer.If thats what your saying then I am saying YOUR FULL OF S.H.I.T.!!!
5X30 planes a year is 150.00 I know a lot of people on here CAN't afford that....
if you were a regular on this forum you would have probably known that.
tsk, playing the "rookie" card again are we?
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Are you REALLY sure you know what you are talking about??You are talking about the laws in the United States,Right????thats were YOUR from???
its quite obvious from my profile (which is right there next to each message I post) that I'm not from the United States. Most free market countries however do have laws against price fixing, including the USA. I'm not sure how automobile manufacturers work over there, but over here Toyota recently received a hectic fine (running into millions) for forcing their dealers to stick to a minumum price.
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