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Old 10-15-2021, 01:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The link says 48 euros, yet it is expensive
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Yeah, excluding tax. 58 inlcuding tax. And it is already discounted - it was 61EUR.
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That converts to $70.73 US, $67.25 after discount!

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I get everything has gone up especially shipping costs and those commissioning these pieces have to make a profit, but the prices are now curtailing my collecting activities. I don't have a problem with it all, it's just making me very chosey about what I'm buying.
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Might depand on the popularity - at ARD you pay just 51EUR.

A United 738MAX is listed for 59EUR.
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I get everything has gone up especially shipping costs and those commissioning these pieces have to make a profit, but the prices are now curtailing my collecting activities. I don't have a problem with it all, it's just making me very chosey about what I'm buying.
Rough times for Landor collectors ahead... Better get a JCW 77W or 744 instead for 10EUR less.
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$35 here in the US at a Cheep Cheep Sale...
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...and this, in a nutshell, is why it's worth moving to 1/200, more detailed models and not that more expensive...
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Inflation and shipping cost explosion....this is not Aeroclassics fault, just the World we live in today
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Let's just hope they go down after the pandemic!! Once the ridiculous shipping prices fall again.
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$35 here in the US at a Cheep Cheep Sale...
...that is even an increase, as it used to be $25 five years or so ago!
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I can't speak for European-market model prices. But here in the US, they seem to keep going up and up. If the makers want people in this hobby, they need to price reasonably. Prices go up, I buy fewer models. It's that simple. At least shipping has remained workable in the US, it sounds like complete highway-robbery elsewhere.

Quality-control and accuracy issues have been common recently, from multiple makers. So product quality certainly doesn't seem to be eating up money. Difficulties of doing business in China, etc., aren't my problem. This is a hobby, not a necessity.

For my part, I'll just keep slowing down if prices keep increasing. Even if I could afford many models at today's prices, it would be a poor use of my money.

And no, I'm not going to 1:200. I'm not spending that much and I don't have room for them. Models are to be enjoyed, not sit in boxes in closets. Those who can afford money and space for 1:200, enjoy.

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I can't speak for European-market model prices. But here in the US, they seem to keep going up and up. If the makers want people in this hobby, they need to price reasonably. Prices go up, I buy fewer models. It's that simple. At least shipping has remained workable in the US, it sounds like complete highway-robbery elsewhere.

Quality-control and accuracy issues have been common recently, from multiple makers. So product quality certainly doesn't seem to be eating up money. Difficulties of doing business in China, etc., aren't my problem. This is a hobby, not a necessity.

For my part, I'll just keep slowing down if prices keep increasing. Even if I could afford many models at today's prices, it would be a poor use of my money.

And no, I'm not going to 1:200. I'm not spending that much and I don't have room for them. Models are to be enjoyed, not sit in boxes in closets. Those who can afford money and space for 1:200, enjoy.

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A post born out of frustration? I mean I get it, I've slowed down my collecting by being a bit more discerning in what I buy. The cheeky 'I'll have that even though it does fit my themes' model purchases are long gone, but I get the issues manufacturers are having. You say that problems dealing with China arent your problem, but they're a fundamental problem to the hobby ergo as a collector you can't ignore them. No one is going to produce models for $30 a piece and then sell them for $30 a piece just because that's the value you put on them. They have to make a profit, the manufacturing and exporting costs have gone up massively in the last couple of years, they can only bear that burden so much, it has to ultimately be passed on to the collector. The quality control issue has been around forever and honestly, I must be one lucky collector, as I've very rarely had an issue across the manufacturer spectrum, but it happens. Ok there are a few big blunders, but honestly if it looks like the plane I want and in 1/400 I can accept a few errors, then I'll buy it. As you say, this is a hobby, if it's frustrating you that much then maybe its time to take a step back and just enjoy what you have, because to be frank, things aren't going to change and prices will continue to rise, so maybe make a decision to either be at peace with that or think about other priorities in life if money is tight. I mean this sincerely, not provocatively, I get the frustration, but maybe its just time to reflect.
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it says A319 on site not A320
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But here in the US, they seem to keep going up and up. If the makers want people in this hobby, they need to price reasonably. Prices go up, I buy fewer models.
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You should put the news on, it wouldnt hurt.. However make sure you watch the correct channel...As previously discussed here, A shipping container from China to Long Beach in 2020 $3300...Today it $18,800.00 All things considered, I know one company that makes models and its eaten into their profits big time by not passing all those full costs on to their dealers.

with no end in sight, you may want to consider an exit plan from the hobby..
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You should put the news on, it wouldnt hurt.. However make sure you watch the correct channel...As previously discussed here, A shipping container from China to Long Beach in 2020 $3300...Today it $18,800.00

with no end in sight, you may want to consider an exit plan from the hobby..
That is obscene! how is that even possible? I think the shipping companies are also running a racket. Just like some of the big pharma that just suddenly raised their drug prices. Sure they might have some increased demand and possibly cost but i don't see the justification for a 6x increase....
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That is obscene! how is that even possible? I think the shipping companies are also running a racket. Just like some of the big pharma that just suddenly raised their drug prices. Sure they might have some increased demand and possibly cost but i don't see the justification for a 6x increase....
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Oh wait, the fun is just beginning, at least in the USA. If you want to buy Christmas gifts this year, and toys for the kids, I suggest doing it NOW, because there are few workers at the ports to offload ships, and fewer truck drivers to drive the distribution. Fuel is over $1 per gallon higher than it was a year ago, and no end in sight

Remember the shops in the Soviet Union with bare, empty shelves, well that's the current US government's goal.
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...and this, in a nutshell, is why it's worth moving to 1/200, more detailed models and not that more expensive...
If Balsawood was ever in stock at any hobby shop around me I'd move back up to 200 scale because you're absolutely right. It's almost 80 CAD for a 747 in this scale. 180 in 200 scale but at least the price seems way more worth it
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And no, I'm not going to 1:200. I'm not spending that much and I don't have room for them. Models are to be enjoyed, not sit in boxes in closets. Those who can afford money and space for 1:200, enjoy.

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I used to say that too. Eventually you will move to 1/200 scale too. I used to think I didn't have room for 1/200 scale models too, but the narrow bodies all easily fit in the display case and the wide bodies are displayed in open shelves. Yes, you can afford the 1/200 scale models. As you sell the 1/400 scale models, you buy the 1/200 ones that you really want with the proceeds from selling the 1/400s. As the 1/200s are more expensive, you naturally become pickier about what you buy. And all of those same scheme different reg 1/400s that you hoarded will help you easily binge buy 1/200s as you sell them.

I have far fewer 1/200s in boxes stored in the closet than I had 1/400s at the peak of my 1/400 collecting days. The sooner you switch the better as some of these 1/200s are getting really hard to find and getting expensive too! I did just fork out almost $300 for a Frontier A319 in 1/200 scale, but all I had to do was list a few 1/400s on Ebay and Voila, no money from the wallet spent!

Unfortunately, vision of the human eye deteriorates over time, and there will come a time when your eyes will tell you to switch to 1/200 scale! Revive this thread when that moment hits you!

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Unfortunately, vision of the human eye deteriorates over time, and there will come a time when your eyes will tell you to switch to 1/200 scale! Revive this thread when that moment hits you!


No, no, and no. All the reasons to stick with 1/400 still hold. And speaking of increased prices, it seems to be reflected with resale prices, too. One would think that those models which were bought in the past for lower prices would be resold at somewhat lower prices, but that ain't happening. I am cutting back with the higher prices, but that's just me. Doug
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Funny discussion - I switched from 1/400 to 1/200 and back to 1/400 for the exact same reasons - but without selling any models at all (which might have been a mistake back then, but as I got back to 1/400 again it has been the right choice I guess). I ended up sticking with 1/400 mostly for widebodies and 1/200 for my holy grails to the size of an A310 - the IF200 762 were an exception - and Herpas Il-62 might be an exception aswell, but thats for the big scale.

Maybe I will make an exception for the Saudia 75yrs 77W aswell, but I am not sure yet, as it is also being offered by JCW on their fantastic 1/400 mould.
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Odd analysis, I still collect 1/500 scale Herpa, and I don't wear glasses, and I see them perfectly!
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Harvey, if anything could convince me to switch to 1:200, your enthusiasm would be it!! :+) I'll stick with 1:400 for now. :+)

As for prices: when I spoke of difficulties doing business in China, I refer to much-discussed difficulties on the ground, like apparently getting good employees, etc. If shipping costs are dramatically higher, model makers might have a tough time getting reasonable rates, which isn't their fault.

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I wonder if it will get to the point where increasing shipping and other costs from China makes it economically feasible for manufacture to occur in the US (for a US market)...
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I wonder if it will get to the point where increasing shipping and other costs from China makes it economically feasible for manufacture to occur in the US (for a US market)...
it will reach a tipping point eventually. Though, I hear average manufacturing wage in USA is $31 per hour now.
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Odd analysis, I still collect 1/500 scale Herpa, and I don't wear glasses, and I see them perfectly!
That's great fortune for you! Hope it stays that way. For many of us, suddenly we realize we can't read the directed dosage on medicine containers. Then you're reaching for your iPhone to use as a magnification device!

Next thing you know, you can't properly make out the word "Lufthansa" on a 1/400 scale 737, but you try to stay in denial as you actually know how that word looks on the white fuselage. 1/400 scale model reg#s??? Fagghetaboutit!! You'll never hear me complaining about incorrect reg#s on 1/400 scale models!

Yes, reading glasses are the solution to stay in 1/400 scale. But I'm really liking the details on 1/200 scale models!

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Harvey, if anything could convince me to switch to 1:200, your enthusiasm would be it!! :+) I'll stick with 1:400 for now. :+)

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Remember to revive this thread when that day comes!

TBH, I'm still checking out the 1/400 section of this forum to see what I'm missing out on. Also gotta get my periodic dose of bottomfeeder arguments every now and then too!

And no, paying close to $300 for a 1/200 scale models is not the norm. Just the ones I really want that are REALLY hard to find these days!

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I don't think I'll ever move to 1/200 Harvey :P
One of the main reasons is my large collecting criteria, of trying to represent as many operators of my favourite airliners as possible (747, 727 and A340) atleast one model of every aircraft type, or VH registered aircraft.
While the 1/200 models maybe more detailed and larger/easier to look at, you will sacrifice that for less detailed representations of your focus airlines/aircraft fleets.
At one point I will probably buy 3 1/200's, one of Inflights VH-DHE (one of my favourite airframes), a Qantas 747 and a random A340.
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I don't think I'll ever move to 1/200 Harvey :P
One of the main reasons is my large collecting criteria, of trying to represent as many operators of my favourite airliners as possible (747, 727 and A340) atleast one model of every aircraft type, or VH registered aircraft.
While the 1/200 models maybe more detailed and larger/easier to look at, you will sacrifice that for less detailed representations of your focus airlines/aircraft fleets.
At one point I will probably buy 3 1/200's, one of Inflights VH-DHE (one of my favourite airframes), a Qantas 747 and a random A340.
He he he. As we all know, "collecting criteria" is a very fluid term that evolves with time.

And you've already declared your first step into 1/200 with three possible models. I had "just a couple" of gotta have 1/200s among 200+ 1/400 scale models at one point. Don't do it!! One step into the 1/200 quicksand and it will suck you right in.....

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This is so true! I am experiencing the same.

!/200 is also a great scale to enjoy business jets and military planes which will for the most never appear in 1/400.

I keep collecting both scales but the 1/200 portion is growing faster.

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That's great fortune for you! Hope it stays that way. For many of us, suddenly we realize we can't read the directed dosage on medicine containers. Then you're reaching for your iPhone to use as a magnification device!

Next thing you know, you can't properly make out the word "Lufthansa" on a 1/400 scale 737, but you try to stay in denial as you actually know how that word looks on the white fuselage. 1/400 scale model reg#s??? Fagghetaboutit!! You'll never hear me complaining about incorrect reg#s on 1/400 scale models!

Yes, reading glasses are the solution to stay in 1/400 scale. But I'm really liking the details on 1/200 scale models!

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There is nothing odd about it, it is even not an analysis - it is just the way I dealt with increasing prices for 1/400 models in the past. I remember paying 35EUR or so for an AC Viscount, and I saw Herpa releasing one in 1/200 for around 50EUR. Having more space in these days, the decision was pretty obvious - to switch to 1/200. But when you notice you're running out of space you have to take a decision - and it also helped a lot, that 1/200 models accuracy went downhill for quite some time on one hand, but also the models mostly being released did not match with my collecting criteria.

PS: the "bottomfeeder" NG did a brilliant job on the Tristar which finally convinced me to return to 1/400 again.
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Odd analysis, I still collect 1/500 scale Herpa, and I don't wear glasses, and I see them perfectly!
As a manufacturer of both scales 1/400 and 1/200 you should use your words more wisely - if you don't want collectors to switch to 1/500.



I might not have as many Aeroclassics models as others here, but I still buy an AC DC-6 or a Viscount from time to time, I am happy with the Models I already have, hoping they won't die the zinc-rot death.

What I notice is, that Aeroclassics gets more and more obsolete to the market. Sure there is a certain fanbase, continuously buying your models. But if you reflect yourself, you have to admit, that AC never was the manufacturer to retool or update moulds - and that is what makes Aeroclassics different from other manifacturers. (Not antennas or ather miniscules, its about the basics).
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Regarding new moulds or mould retooling (AC never was the manufacturer to retool or update moulds).

Beg to differ. They released an upgraded DC-6, one example being AC419506 Pan Am DC-6 N6524C "Clipper Pocahantas". Time heals all wounds, Doug

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Odd analysis, I still collect 1/500 scale Herpa, and I don't wear glasses, and I see them perfectly!
You are a rare exception for someone your age.

I brought the topic up of unloading 400 scale models due to eyesight over 15 years ago on this forum having had perfect 20/20 my whole life, so I am the degraded eyesight pioneer .
It was at Thanksgiving dinner and the food appeared blurry and soon after I realized my 400 scale models were out of focus too unless I had reading glasses on to view.!
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I remember that post! Damn I'm getting old, along with my failing eyesight! But I love my 1:200 scale models.

I did the switch from 1:400 to 1:200, than back to 1:400 & some 1:200, and finally settled on 1:200! I have a shelf of 1:400 in the Disney, Pokemon, etc. for grand kids, as well as, a Piedmont shelf and BA World tails for me. I like the art on the tails of the BA's and love Piedmont as I have fond memories of flying on them.
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Beg to differ. They released an upgraded DC-6, one example being AC419506 Pan Am DC-6 N6524C "Clipper Pocahantas". Time heals all wounds, Doug
My apollogies. I forgot that one.
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That wasn't the only one, but considering your agenda, I won't waste my time!!
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Me...an agenda?? You know more than me.

I just wanted to post something different than these "look what I got" and "what about this one" threads whcih I usually post.
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That wasn't the only one, but considering your agenda, I won't waste my time!!
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I though am pretty happy with all my 16 AC200 models. And I hope to add more 720s or 707s. MEA, TEA, Ethiopian or Air Malta please.
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One would think that personally insulting potential customers is a rather poor marketing strategy but hey, if it works for Aeroclassics....
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