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Old 10-13-2021, 09:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Now I don't usually make a big fuss about Russian airliners as they're not my usual area of expertise, but I was really looking forward to this month's release of CCCP-85000. It's the first prototype for the Tu-154 and it's got a very handsome livery - the main reason why I wanted to add a copy to my collection. Unfortunately, there are a couple areas on the 1/400 version which could be improved on, namely, the livery itself...

We're missing doors which could have been lightly outlined, and an entire door which should not be highlighted in red. Now I know this photo represents ONE model, but could some things have been avoided? Absolutely, there can be room for improvement!

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Mine has yet to arrive. One of the big differences between the prototype and series aircraft was the arrangement of nose gear doors. I am unsurprised that this feature has not been represented on the model as it would be a rather cost/benefit negative exercise.

As for the marking issues, given the general historical paucity of Soviet airliners in this scale I think in this case it is a bit 'beggars cannot be choosers'. After all, who else is going to do one of these?
I'm just pleased that this one was done.
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The actual model is not available yet. Telling from the photos, the whole tail section looks absolutely sloppy incl. the rear engine exhaust and the forward antenna (pretty much out of scale… even the smaller aerials on other 1/400 manufacturers’ models look much better and more to scale than the tip of this TU-154 tail antenna!). Let’s forget about the 727-like moulding of the horizontal stabs. Unbelievable!

I’d say: let’s wait for the actual product. But the outlook isn’t very promising.
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The actual model is not available yet. Telling from the photos, the whole tail section looks absolutely sloppy incl. the rear engine exhaust and the forward antenna (pretty much out of scale… even the aerials on other 1/400 manufacturers’ model look much better and more to scale than the tip of this TU-154 tail antenna!

I’d say: let’s wait for the actual product. But the outlook isn’t very promising.
It's not a new mould. The qualities of the AC Tu-154 are well known, however as Ty-114 says nobody else is going to produce it. Phoenix have basically the same mould albeit updated with better landing gear but never use it.
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It's not a new mould. The qualities of the AC Tu-154 are well known, however as Ty-114 says nobody else is going to produce it. Phoenix have basically the same mould albeit updated with better landing gear but never use it.
Oh, that’s a misunderstanding then. I got it that AC would re-do/modify the mould itself…! My bad.
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The engine is not correct. 1st Tu-154 is not Tu-154M( Tu-154M with visible Revesers)
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The engine is not correct. 1st Tu-154 is not Tu-154M( Tu-154M with visible Revesers)
That isn't the Tu-154M mould and the photos I have seen don't show Tu-154M style thrust reversers on the side engines so I think you're seeing something that isn't there.

It is well known that this mould isn't perfect but that wasn't what the original poster was commenting on anyway. I have the model on the way to me so I'll be able to get better photos when it arrives.
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That isn't the Tu-154M mould and the photos I have seen don't show Tu-154M style thrust reversers on the side engines so I think you're seeing something that isn't there.

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I'm also seeing it - in both pictures. Engine moulds for the D30.. while it should have NK8.

Contrary to what others say, this and anything else on this totally outdated mould is a pass for me.
I welcome anyone to do a 2021 standards mould for the 154 though. Could really need some good releases.
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Contrary to what others say, this and anything else on this totally outdated mould is a pass for me.
I welcome anyone to do a 2021 standards mould for the 154 though. Could really need some good releases.
Pretty happy I am not alone. Thanks, Alex. I don’t understand this ‘No one else will do it, so let’s be happy with this [crap]’ anyway. Furthermore, we all should’ve learned the lesson that ‘never say never again’ is a real virtue. So many models have been re-done where almost everyone said &no one will ever do it again’

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Pretty happy I am not alone. Thanks, Alex. I don’t understand this ‘No one else will do it, so let’s be happy with this [crap]’ anyway. Furthermore, we all should’ve learned the lesson that ‘never say never again’ is a real virtue. So many models have been re-done where almost everyone said &no one will ever do it again’

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I guess it depends how long you are willing to wait. The chances of a new Tu-154 mould in the next decade aren't especially high and even if one appears would this livery get on it in that time period?

If this were an A321 or 787 I'd agree with you. It's not a case of being 'happy' it is a case of weighing up the pros and cons and making an informed decision. In this case the model is just good enough mouldwise for me to still acquire it, although the last time I reviewed it I gave it a 6/10.
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I guess it depends how long you are willing to wait. The chances of a new Tu-154 mould in the next decade aren't especially high and even if one appears would this livery get on it in that time period?

If this were an A321 or 787 I'd agree with you. It's not a case of being 'happy' it is a case of weighing up the pros and cons and making an informed decision. In this case the model is just good enough mouldwise for me to still acquire it, although the last time I reviewed it I gave it a 6/10.
All depends on what type of collector you are.
I love the Tu-154 and would have bought that model 15 years ago.
My buying decission is based on the mould. Knowing how far this one falls behind of what can be done in 2021 I simply can't justify paying money for it - yes, the bottomfeeders spoilt me.
Very likely this wont be done again in the next 10 years and this release doesn't exactly help to prove the opposite. But so be it.
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I think one of the issues is, with so many manufacturers being Chinese based, is that a lot of these classic Soviet airliners were manufactured during the chilliest years of the Sino-Soviet split. Not a whole lot of them ever made their way over to China and the ones that did were obsolete bangers filtered down to smaller airlines after the CAAC breakup. The Tu-154, after all, holds the terrible title of being the aircraft involved in China’s worst aviation accident as well. With few Chinese examples to market domestically and a niche market in the West there’s probably not a big appetite for a manufacturer to risk a new Tu-154 mould despite the 1000+ examples made. But who knows? There’s now 3 brands selling Tu-204s.
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Like the Aeroclassics Comet and Caravelle moulds, it's a 'one size fits all' and I will overlook the issues raised by some above, as this model completes my Aeroflot Tu-154 history fleet and would be glad to add it to the collection apart from the price! ARD are advertising this at an eye-watering£49.95!
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Like the Aeroclassics Comet and Caravelle moulds, it's a 'one size fits all' and I will overlook the issues raised by some above, as this model completes my Aeroflot Tu-154 history fleet and would be glad to add it to the collection apart from the price! ARD are advertising this at an eye-watering£49.95!
Totally understand your perspective, Adrian. I have been so familiar with those ‘one size fits all’ moulds from the early 1980’s Schabak days (which continued into the 1990’s) but I paid some $4 for a model back then and, hey, we are talking the 2020’s… and someday in over 40 years of collecting aircraft scale models, I unconsciously decided to ask for more for my money. ‘One size fits all’ is a clear ‘no-go’ nowadays. Small details can be overlooked but different fuselage lengths, wingspans or even wing profiles and so on do not allow any leniency - neither in 1/200 nor in 1/400.

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I only have one AC tu-154 so far,it's the Malev and compare to other tu-154s made by Phoenix in my collection, phoenix obviously has better nose and nose gear. It's such a pity that Phoenix doesn't use it anymore although so many liveries need to be made (Bashkirian, MIAT, Air koryo new livery...)
I really like the 85000 livery but I'm saving my money for the TU-204s
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I've swithered over buying this, but unfortunately it appears to be a victim of my new 'its too expensive, do I really need it?' purchasing policy. I'm sure more and more that's going to be the case.
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That isn't the Tu-154M mould and the photos I have seen don't show Tu-154M style thrust reversers on the side engines so I think you're seeing something that isn't there....

Tu-154B and M share most parts, it's just the v.tail and engines that differ - or should..

And as I already said, he wasn't the only one seeing it.


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Tu-154B and M share most parts, it's just the v.tail and engines that differ - or should..

And as I already said, he wasn't the only one seeing it.


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Yeah I see the engines now. They did used to have different engines for this mould:

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At least it says CCCP on the wing and not C CCP right?

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I still don't see what you're all whining and moaning about, but, that's all I expect from thos forum, is endless bellyaching!!

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Honestly, I keep looking but can't really see the issue either - are we talking about the third engine?
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Honestly, I keep looking but can't really see the issue either - are we talking about the third engine?
No it is the side engines. It is a little obscured by the painting on the model but the side engines have the thrust reversers of a Tu-154M and not the scooped out standard engines as on the Tu-154B (like the Egyptair photo).

It looks like the AC factory used the wrong fuselage mould, or the original B mould just isn't available. It's not massive and the mould is hardly a spectacular one to begin with anyway.

The OP was originally complaining about the printing anyway not the mould.
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You moan about a reg kerning, and you don’t see MISSING PRINTINGS??? This is amazing… it’s obvious that you don’t see them as they’re missing
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In this new land of half-100 dollar models, I'm at the point where this just doesn't cut the mustard any more. I can spend the same amount of cash on sharper, more carefully made models. I'm not here to say this effort from AC is rubbish, but personally, as this global market is doing what it does, I can't overlook the issues. I'm sure this will make some collectors very happy, but this particular model isn't for me.

In the case of Aeroclassics, the current and common issue is that if they want to keep using their current moulds, they must improve the printing quality. This includes not only the smudges and blemishes, but the inaccurate regos, cockpits, doors, windows, etc. as well. The only thing that keeps me occasionally buying AC models is their willingness to make what others won't. With Panda, NG model, and even Gemini more frequently testing the waters in the retro-jet genre. The more likely it is that these companies will make gains on AC.
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Also AC, please stop making 737-maxes, focus on the classics please (including airbus family).
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Also AC, please stop making 737-maxes, focus on the classics please (including airbus family).
I agree, AC's A300 and A310 are brilliant, would love to see more of them
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At least it says CCCP on the wing and not C CCP right?
That’s why he chose to make this type of aircraft and not the TU-134!


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Come on, Andrew, you’re frequently whining and moaning about the many collectors delivering reasonable criticism on your model releases… so what’s the difference? Well, actually, the difference is they are having a point and you… well, you are just whining and moaning. I think AeroClassics has always received the praise and applause it deserves every time a great model is done. Just deal with all this reasonable criticism like a man - not like a little kid and getting all in a huff.
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It looks like the AC factory used the wrong fuselage mould, or the original B mould just isn't available. It's not massive and the mould is hardly a spectacular one to begin with anyway.

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I agree, AC's A300 and A310 are brilliant, would love to see more of them
Looking at what could be done today, I'd see the AC A300 somewhere between "ok" and "good" - for airframes built before early/mid 1979. Things get worse the farther you move forward from that point.
"Brilliant" was my thought when I held ACs Trident sample in hands, but that was many years ago. Those where the days when I loved collecting Aeroclassics and I'd still appreciate one or the other F28, CV440, HS748, DC-4/7, Britannia, L.749...
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I've swithered over buying this, but unfortunately it appears to be a victim of my new 'its too expensive, do I really need it?' purchasing policy. I'm sure more and more that's going to be the case.
I have got to that stage also, Al, and can no longer justify £50 ($70) for a 1/400 scale model. Our gas prices are scheduled to go sky high in the New Year and you have to proritise our expenses.
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The missing B.707s still needed to be done in 1/400: Uganda Airlines, Luxair,

DC-8s still needed to be done in 1/400: UAT, Iberia ('80s scheme), Air Ceylon, Air Spain, Seaboard World (-63CF)

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Also AC, please stop making 737-maxes, focus on the classics please (including airbus family).
Especially if those maxes are going to look a little wonky
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So long as our product still sells, and it does, notwithstanding the moaners and whiners on DAC who don't support AC anyways, AC will continue to make quality products of what sells! Just because a few of you with an agenda, who have their heads so far up the bottomfeeder's azz you can't see, don't like them, there are hundreds of others who do!!

If more 737-max are requested, and they are, then AC will make them!!
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So long as our product still sells, and it does, notwithstanding the moaners and whiners on DAC who don't support AC anyways, AC will continue to make quality products of what sells! Just because a few of you with an agenda, who have their heads so far up the bottomfeeder's azz you can't see, don't like them, there are hundreds of others who do!!
No issues with the model for me - I just don't like the price, but do understand shipping prices are killing this hobby
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The missing B.707s still needed to be done in 1/400: Uganda Airlines, Luxair,

DC-8s still needed to be done in 1/400: UAT, Iberia ('80s scheme), Air Ceylon, Air Spain, Seaboard World (-63CF)

Aeroclassics Comets still missing- Dan Air (4 & 4C), United Arab Airlines/Misrair/Egyptair, Kuwait AW, Sudan AW, East African AW, Saudi Royal Flt.
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