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Old 10-05-2021, 08:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dear Everyone,

I have been collecting models since 1999, and I buy mostly AeroClassics as they meet my requirement for nostalgic airliners of yesteryears.

The problem is that when I fail to keep up with news of AeroClassics releases each month, I end up missing some models because a lot of them sell out. This has happened many times before.

I then end up paying heavy premium prices on eBay. Sometimes, I completely lose out on the model when it is not even available on eBay. My only hope then lies with a re-release of the model.

Sadly, many models that AeroClassics produces are not subsequently produced by other manufacturers because their product type is not usually a retro airliner.

The main question is whether I should continue to pay heavy prices on eBay for sold out AeroClassics models or wait until AeroClassics re-releases the same model but with a different registration?

Two recent replies on separate threads by Mr. Andrew Klein have confused me completely.

In post #10 on this thread, Mr. Klein gives his view on producing models that have been done before:

https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...ml#post2852050

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In post #32 on this thread Mr. Klein encourages a totally opposite view on producing models:

https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...eed-title.html

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So, what should a collector like me do? Take advice per post #10 and pay huge prices on eBay, and not wait for a re-release as it would not happen OR to consider post #32 and wait for a re-release, which Mr. Klein himself admits that he has done this a few times?

Any comments will no doubt help reduce my confusion.

Thank you.

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My only advice is to be watchful for AC's monthly releases, usually the 2nd Friday of the month at 4pm Pacific time, which would be around midnight London time. If it's too late for you, retails like Jet collector are starting to release them around 16 hours later.
It sucks popular models usually sell out pretty fast, and many collectors miss them, but on the upside, our collections increase value when able to purchase them.

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Yeah, still puzzled! A person who is supposed to be some type of expert in this hobby field with their own brand and mould be it not any more asks such puzzling questions which he should well know the answers to!

Not an attack, just the way I see it!
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I got a tip for ya! Instead of being on here moaning and whining, you should be on retailer sites looking and buying! Then maybe you will have less a chance of missing out on Aeroclassics upon release!
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While it is annoying that some manufacturers produce in such low quantities, it is merely a part of the hobby that we must put up with.
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I usually just prefer to wait it out, I'm not going to spend more than $100 for a 1/400th scale model.
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While it is annoying that some manufacturers produce in such low quantities, it is merely a part of the hobby that we must put up with.
Missing out AeroClassics‘ models is quite easy in Europe since not too many retailers carry the complete range released (and only small numbers, sometimes). You can never be sure to have all AC models listed with your retailer.

Generally spoken, I am with purpleplane (and others): I’d rather wait for re-release or an opportunity to purchase the original release second-hand and for a reasonable price than buying at first glance for what ever the price might be. These are just small pieces of metal with some paint applied (no real ‘work‘ or ‚craftsmanship‘ included), so they are not worth anything far beyond the retail price (which is already higher than the ‚value‘ - if one can name it).
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To me, I can understand why manufacturers want to make lower quantities of models, which I believe is to make them highly valued collectibles. Producing thousands upon thousands of them won’t make them collectible and it can hurt the value. It is annoying at times (I’ve been there too, trust me), but as user alphaless said, it’s a part of the hobby. I’d rather pay heavy premiums for a model that’s collectible than pay five bucks for something that’s not even worth anything.
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To me, I can understand why manufacturers want to make lower quantities of models, which I believe is to make them highly valued collectibles. Producing thousands upon thousands of them won’t make them collectible and it can hurt the value. It is annoying at times (I’ve been there too, trust me), but as user alphaless said, it’s a part of the hobby. I’d rather pay heavy premiums for a model that’s collectible than pay five bucks for something that’s not even worth anything.
I reckon on the main it’s more of a careful balance of what can actually sell as well though, and guaranteeing the inventory will leave the factory. The “collectible” moniker was always applied, even on Gemini Jets models when quantities ran 2,500-odd. The days of producing in the 1,000’s are long gone, and I believe Gemini were only among the few to actually run those kind of numbers. In reality it would be more desirable to have a larger run each time as that gets the unit costs down, the economies of manufacturing etc.

Aeroclassics models always had that niche corner of the market - they started out really small - always having the more specialist area of limited numbers, making their releases particularly sought after as they fill those specialist gaps in retro collections. Runs always varied, I’m sure they’re much tighter now than before generally, but I think it’s also out of necessity as well as having that limited value. It also depends on the subject. Hypothetically speaking I reckon an amazingly hot model could still sell out at 1,000 units - and still be very collectible and hard to find afterwards.

Perhaps the demographics of the hobby is changing - lots of newer, young blood with different interests, and the old school members are sadly shrinking? I’m 39, and collect models of an era mainly before my time. I wonder how many of the other younger collectors are like this? Things like this must also inform the quantities produced for certain subjects - licensing being another…

The collectible value that a model can accrue is on the aftermarket, not at distribution level and those premiums don’t pay the manufacturers’ bills or top up their profit margin. It does make ebay and other secondary sources a tidy sum in commission though, going by the eye-watering bids many of those auctions end at! A good advertisement for the brands in question I guess - bolstering the USP of the product and maintaining interest. In the end, a model is only worth what someone is willing to pay above it’s base value, and that amount varies greatly from what I’ve seen.
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I’m 39, and collect models of an era mainly before my time. I wonder how many of the other younger collectors are like this? Things like this must also inform the quantities produced for certain subjects - licensing being another…
I’m pretty much the exact same way. I’m 38 lol.

About 90% of my collection is late 50’s thru late 80’s retro liveries. I started in ‘96 collecting plastic Wooster models and gradually moved up to metal as space and finances allowed. A fairly decent chunk of my collection has come from Ebay so I’m pretty thankful for that option even if some have cost a small fortune.

If it’s something you really must have or has sentimental value and you have an impatient streak like me sometimes you just have to do whatever it takes
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The main question is whether I should continue to pay heavy prices on eBay for sold out AeroClassics models or wait until AeroClassics re-releases the same model but with a different registration?

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If you want it bad, pay the price. If you feel there's a chance of a re-release, wait up to an eternity if you have the patience. I just happened to come across a 1/200 scale model yesterday that I had been waiting for to pop up on eBay for months. Starting bid @ $250. Seller had the option to put in an offer turned on. I offered more than the starting bid price. Guess what? I got it!

Was it expensive? Hell yes! Was I satisfied? Hell yes! Is there a possibility of this model being released by another manufacturer? Most probably yes. Will I get bent out of shape if the model is re-released? No.

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You and I have the same streak. When the rare opportunity does arise, do whatever it takes is right!

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I’m pretty much the exact same way. I’m 38 lol.

About 90% of my collection is late 50’s thru late 80’s retro liveries. I started in ‘96 collecting plastic Wooster models and gradually moved up to metal as space and finances allowed. A fairly decent chunk of my collection has come from Ebay so I’m pretty thankful for that option even if some have cost a small fortune.

If it’s something you really must have or has sentimental value and you have an impatient streak like me sometimes you just have to do whatever it takes [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Nice to meet you lol! Interesting, sounds very similar to me so good to know that there are others out there. I had those Wooster models too, started around the same time with those, used to buy them at the Mach III gift shop on top of the old T2 at LHR. Same - quite a few of my ‘grails have been found on ebay, others at Model Fairs. Patience paid off with the latter and many bargains have been found, but I’ve had the odd bargain on ebay too here and there in the past. A small fortune has also been spent on some of the more difficult ‘grails, but again nothing too crazy…I have my limit and that has gotten a bit tighter of late. I was in the bidding for a Big Bird Lufthansa 747 which had GSE with it recently, but it got too ridiculous for me and gave up. It ended at over £350! Even though it’s one I really wanted, that is too crazy for me and I’d never feel good parting with that kind of sum for a 1:400 model, GSE or no. Put a “buy it now” of £350 on that and see if it sells? Ask that for it at a model fair? It would sit there like many others I’ve seen…it’s the bidding frenzy that adds an adrenaline-fuelled war of egos that jacks up the value in that moment, but it is not necessarily a true indicator of the value. Sentimental value though? Well, I guess that’s priceless, and fair enough if you have the funds to cover it and you’re happy with it 👍
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If you want it bad, pay the price. If you feel there's a chance of a re-release, wait up to an eternity if you have the patience. I just happened to come across a 1/200 scale model yesterday that I had been waiting for to pop up on eBay for months. Starting bid @ $250. Seller had the option to put in an offer turned on. I offered more than the starting bid price. Guess what? I got it!

Was it expensive? Hell yes! Was I satisfied? Hell yes! Is there a possibility of this model being released by another manufacturer? Most probably yes. Will I get bent out of shape if the model is re-released? No.



You and I have the same streak. When the rare opportunity does arise, do whatever it takes is right!

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More nonsensical rants…
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By who? What do you mean?
I think he’s referring to the revelations you probably issued on your website… I might be wrong, though.
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Lol, half of the text on the website is literally having a go at Andrew Klein.
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