Need Help TWA L-1011 (Twin Globe) - Lockheed Title
Hi Guys;
I may be wrong but I thought I saw a picture of an L-1011 in the Twin Globe schema with the Lockheed Tristar lettering. Is it possible for someone to post that picture as I couldn't find it.
thanks!!
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This may be what you're looking for... BB Trans World Airlines L-1011-100. Twin Globes. N31018. This is an 'OK' model, not half bad, but I imagine that New Generation Models will come up with their version at some point, Doug
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This may be what you're looking for... BB Trans World Airlines L-1011-100. Twin Globes. N31018. This is an 'OK' model, not half bad, but I imagine that New Generation Models will come up with their version at some point, Doug
Yes, I'm anxiously waiting for NG to release one of these too.
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L-1011: ATA vacation, EA bare metal
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Originally Posted by aklein707
I already have the AeroClassics model of this, so not waiting for the bottomfeeders to repeat it!
The Aeroclassics model would be fine for me, but I can't find any other than on Ebay and I'm not paying north of $150 for a model.
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737-400: ProAir, US Airways 1997 scheme
737-500: UA Saul Bass, Battleship gray, CO w/winglets
DC-9-30: RC 1984 scheme
DC-9-51: RC 1979 scheme
L-1011: ATA vacation, EA bare metal
The Aeroclassics model would be fine for me, but I can't find any other than on Ebay and I'm not paying north of $150 for a model.
The AeroClassics version is not easily available, so it is best to wait for the NG version, if they ever do one. I am in the same position. NG models L-1011s are very impressive.
I have the Aeroclassics version of this and it is very mediocre. There are a lot of just flat out bad flaws that are hard to overlook with it like the offset irregularly cut #2 engine inlet, too fat overall #2 engine, and a completely wrong nose. I would avoid this one unless you just absolutely wanted to complete a TWA collection. That’s the only reason I have it and if NG lines out their production issues with polished L1011s and makes one then my Aeroclassics will be headed to eBay.
The older BlueBox one has appeared in some of Waffle’s collection sales lately for around $75-80 if I recall. I’ve not seen this one in person, but it has its flaws as well. Don’t know if it’s any better than the Aeroclassics.
I may be wrong but I thought I saw a picture of an L-1011 in the Twin Globe schema with the Lockheed Tristar lettering. Is it possible for someone to post that picture as I couldn't find it.
thanks!!
I think this is what you’re referring to? It’s on the excellent Jon Proctor website:
Posting from my iphone quickly but hope links work.
N81026 was leased back to Lockheed for 60 days in 1975 for a sales tour. It would make a cool release subject, joining all the other promo/house colour schemes these wonderful machines flew in.
Posting from my iphone quickly but hope links work.
N81026 was leased back to Lockheed for 60 days in 1975 for a sales tour. It would make a cool release subject, joining all the other promo/house colour schemes these wonderful machines flew in.
Thank you.....Thank you.....Thank you!! That was it. I am sure you posted this before somewhere. Glad I wasn't imaging things.....
Posting from my iphone quickly but hope links work.
N81026 was leased back to Lockheed for 60 days in 1975 for a sales tour. It would make a cool release subject, joining all the other promo/house colour schemes these wonderful machines flew in.
Thank you.....Thank you.....Thank you!! That was it. I am sure you posted this before somewhere. Glad I wasn't imaging things.....
Very welcome, glad I could help 👍 I probably have - I know I’ve referenced this site before a few times anyway, it’s such a fantastic resource. That picture of N81026 is a very rare catch, you’d be forgiven for thinking you imagined it! 😎
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Now that is a truly cool bird. I had no idea such a plane existed. I would love to see that in 1/400 if the airline partner logo decals were properly printed.
Now that is a truly cool bird. I had no idea such a plane existed. I would love to see that in 1/400 if the airline partner logo decals were properly printed.
It is fabulous. Imagine if it was released as part of a set, a series of all the demo TriStars, they’d look great on display together. Wishful thinking though I’m sure.
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It is fabulous. Imagine if it was released as part of a set, a series of all the demo TriStars, they’d look great on display together. Wishful thinking though I’m sure.
How many do you want to have made? It‘d be a rather big set.
It is fabulous. Imagine if it was released as part of a set, a series of all the demo TriStars, they’d look great on display together. Wishful thinking though I’m sure.
How many do you want to have made? [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/images/smilies/mrgreen.gif[/IMG] It‘d be a rather big set.
Ah hell, let’s go for broke - every single one ✈️✈️✈️😂👍 That’ll clean out my budget! 😭
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Ah hell, let’s go for broke - every single one ✈️✈️✈️😂👍 That’ll clean out my budget! 😭
OK, I’m all in.
Let’s start with the US airline demonstrators.
- Eastern Air Lines white hockey stick with “Lockheed TriStar” fuselage titles
- Trans World Airlines twin globe with “Lockheed TriStar” fuselage titles
- Pacific Southwest Airlines Farnborough Air Show demonstrator
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Now that is a truly cool bird. I had no idea such a plane existed. I would love to see that in 1/400 if the airline partner logo decals were properly printed.
Trust me I am trying friend.... No promises.
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OK, I’m all in.
Let’s start with the US airline demonstrators.
- Eastern Air Lines white hockey stick with “Lockheed TriStar” fuselage titles
- Trans World Airlines twin globe with “Lockheed TriStar” fuselage titles
- Pacific Southwest Airlines Farnborough Air Show demonstrator
Excellent start, put me down for all 3
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OK, I’m all in.
Let’s start with the US airline demonstrators.
- Eastern Air Lines white hockey stick with “Lockheed TriStar” fuselage titles
- Trans World Airlines twin globe with “Lockheed TriStar” fuselage titles
- Pacific Southwest Airlines Farnborough Air Show demonstrator
If you can share some pictures that may help make the case. I'll share what I can find.
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I already have the AeroClassics model of this, so not waiting for the bottomfeeders to repeat it!
I have never come across this word. It is not even in the Oxford dictionary but I finally found it in a slang dictionary. I still don’t fully understand it but I think it means a leecher, i.e. someone who relies on others’ ideas.
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I already have the AeroClassics model of this, so not waiting for the bottomfeeders to repeat it!
I have never come across this word. It is not even in the Oxford dictionary but I finally found it in a slang dictionary. I still don’t fully understand it but I think it means a leecher, i.e. someone who relies on others’ ideas.
It’s referring to aquatic animals that live at the bottom of a body of water. Eg catfish, bass, crabs, etc. To call someone a bottom feeder is to imply that they are at the lowest level and exist only on the scraps left over by bigger fish higher up in the water. Of course that’s not how an actual aquatic ecosystem works, but that’s how the label is applied.
I do not understand why he applies the term to NG, other than out of jealousy or just to be obnoxious, as they are an industry leader and their L1011 mould in particular is one of the finest of all moulds in 1/400.
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Originally Posted by mam4uk
Now that is a truly cool bird. I had no idea such a plane existed. I would love to see that in 1/400 if the airline partner logo decals were properly printed.
Did you ever see the Continental L-1011 Blue Box? Now that would be nice....
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Originally Posted by mam4uk
It’s referring to aquatic animals that live at the bottom of a body of water. Eg catfish, bass, crabs, etc. To call someone a bottom feeder is to imply that they are at the lowest level and exist only on the scraps left over by bigger fish higher up in the water. Of course that’s not how an actual aquatic ecosystem works, but that’s how the label is applied.
I do not understand why he applies the term to NG, other than out of jealousy or just to be obnoxious, as they are an industry leader and their L1011 mould in particular is one of the finest of all moulds in 1/400.
I think he applies that term to NG because some of the same people at Panda that illegally cloned his A320 mould are now at NG.
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707-320: ATA
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727-200: ATA 25th anniversary; EA thin stripes
737-200: Braniff II, Presidential, UA Battleship gray
737-300: CO last scheme
737-400: ProAir, US Airways 1997 scheme
737-500: UA Saul Bass, Battleship gray, CO w/winglets
DC-9-30: RC 1984 scheme
DC-9-51: RC 1979 scheme
L-1011: ATA vacation, EA bare metal
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Posting from my iphone quickly but hope links work.
N81026 was leased back to Lockheed for 60 days in 1975 for a sales tour. It would make a cool release subject, joining all the other promo/house colour schemes these wonderful machines flew in.
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It’s referring to aquatic animals that live at the bottom of a body of water. Eg catfish, bass, crabs, etc. To call someone a bottom feeder is to imply that they are at the lowest level and exist only on the scraps left over by bigger fish higher up in the water. Of course that’s not how an actual aquatic ecosystem works, but that’s how the label is applied.
I do not understand why he applies the term to NG, other than out of jealousy or just to be obnoxious, as they are an industry leader and their L1011 mould in particular is one of the finest of all moulds in 1/400.
Industry leader? WTF are you sniffing or smoking??
The industry leader is GeminiJets, and they have been for the last 20+ years.
The term is applied to both NG & Panda, as they operate with some (not all) illegally cloned moulds using someone else's intellectual property. That is a bottomfeeder!! It also doesn't help that over 90% of their releases are overpriced repeats of what others have made. You may not like the truth, and it may be obnoxious of me to mention the truth, but I really don't give a crap what anyone thinks who support those criminal enterprises.
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Originally Posted by aklein707
I already have the AeroClassics model of this, so not waiting for the bottomfeeders to repeat it!
Just curious, what's your opinion on companies like JC making your American Astrojet 727-200 again? Or Gemini's United battleship 74L (gemini don't seem too fussed about it). Given they are made in the same factory.
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Just curious, what's your opinion on companies like JC making your American Astrojet 727-200 again? Or Gemini's United battleship 74L (gemini don't seem too fussed about it). Given they are made in the same factory.
Do you really believe that Andrew Klein will reply? A huge amount of AeroClassics B707, B727, DC-10 and L-1011 models were done before, as were those moulds. I guess that makes AK the pioneer in the art of bottom feeding, let alone being a champion hypocrite! There is more chance of life on Mars than AK replying!
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Do you really believe that Andrew Klein will reply? A huge amount of AeroClassics B707, B727, DC-10 and L-1011 models were done before, as were those moulds. I guess that makes AK the pioneer in the art of bottom feeding, let alone being a champion hypocrite! There is more chance of life on Mars than AK replying!
Yeah, I wasn't really expecting a reply, just putting it out there.
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Just curious, what's your opinion on companies like JC making your American Astrojet 727-200 again? Or Gemini's United battleship 74L (gemini don't seem too fussed about it). Given they are made in the same factory.
Given that JC or GJ didn't illegally clone someone else's moulds, they can make whatever they want. If JC sees further demand for an AA 727 or UA 74L, why shouldn't they change the reg. and make it again to fill demand. We've done it a few times as well!
Given Kamran's reply to this thread, I think he should refrain from further contact. Speaking of hypocrite, I've got no time for someone who begs on one hand, and bashes with the other!! You can keep up your hostilities, as there will be no business co-operation between our companies, not now, not ever.
So let it be written, so let it be done!!
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Given that JC or GJ didn't illegally clone someone else's moulds, they can make whatever they want. If JC sees further demand for an AA 727 or UA 74L, why shouldn't they change the reg. and make it again to fill demand. We've done it a few times as well!
Given Kamran's reply to this thread, I think he should refrain from further contact. Speaking of hypocrite, I've got no time for someone who begs on one hand, and bashes with the other!! You can keep up your hostilities, as there will be no business co-operation between our companies, not now, not ever.
So let it be written, so let it be done!!
TO ANDREW KLEIN:
I am not a hypocrite, and I have not bashed you until recently. For the fault of your dishonest factory manager Ms. Ada Wu who I caught lying behind your back and for which I alerted you, you became hostile towards me. Instead of thanking me, you accused me of wrong things. Despite this, I apologised many times via PMs, emails and openly via this forum. I also phoned you twice but you did not answer. I even got Paul Burge and Bob Cass to pass on my apologies to you but you didn’t bother to reconcile. You had no respect for them either.
I am once again offering my hand of friendship and respect. I cannot keep begging you for the rest of my life for forgiveness for something that is not my fault.
If you continue to ignore my calls for friendship and mutual respect, then I will be very hurt and I will then circulate all those messages where I have been begging you to communicate with me and become friends once again. People will then see for themselves how cruel you have been to someone who respected you for twenty years.
I am going to send you one final reconciliatory PM and an email tonight, so please respond politely and in a reconciliatory manner. I would still welcome your friendship but if a reply is not forthcoming and if I am to be treated like garbage again, then I will be very hurt and I will have no option but to show all collectors how you deal with people who respect you. I am not going to post on this forum but I have other ways.
Please don’t threaten this forum for defamation as there is none on my part.
Please also don’t threaten the forum administrator or the moderators into deleting this post. They are innocent, and whatever I have written here is the absolute truth, so defamation is out of the question for them too.
My friendship and respect are open to you, and you are most welcome to be my guest when you visit England, so please respond by replying to my PM and email.
Thank you.
Kamran
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I've got the TWA L-1011 in question and I have to say that it's pretty flawless and is a great addition to anyone's collection.
Unless you have put pen to paper and designed these aircraft, no one is really a expert. Some of you have that agenda that takes the fun out of collecting which is quite unfortunate for those who are true diecast aviation enthusiasts.
Here are two pictures of the model in question and its truly a work of art.
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I've got the TWA L-1011 in question and I have to say that it's pretty flawless and is a great addition to anyone's collection.
Unless you have put pen to paper and designed these aircraft, no one is really a expert. Some of you have that agenda that takes the fun out of collecting which is quite unfortunate for those who are true diecast aviation enthusiasts.
Here are two pictures of the model in question and its truly a work of art.
Peresh (?), the model in question hasn't been made. The OP asked about TWA Twin Globe livery with Lockheed TriStar lettering (titles). Barrison's reply, above, shows what he is talking about. Rare photo, indeed!
Peresh (?), the model in question hasn't been made. The OP asked about TWA Twin Globe livery with Lockheed TriStar lettering (titles). Barrison's reply, above, shows what he is talking about. Rare photo, indeed!
Exactly Dylan, and this thread has already been derailed by a fair amount of BS as it is
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Unless you have put pen to paper and designed these aircraft, no one is really a expert. Some of you have that agenda that takes the fun out of collecting which is quite unfortunate for those who are true diecast aviation enthusiasts.
This thread is so derailed we’ve arrived at another destination (I’m guilty of this too, I know), I should switch the points back here but I couldn’t let this one pass. Just my thoughts on this - I’ve got nothing against anyone enjoying their models no matter who made them - I’d say that anybody spending the cash on these scale models is a “true die-cast” collector. If differences between moulds are discussed in a plainly observational manner, this is not an “agenda” - it’s geeky hobby talk. The political stuff, the bashing, on both sides, is the agenda and should be left out. This has coloured this discussion and muddied the waters. Fact - there are differences between the moulds in question. Some happen to know where to look.
Those people will then make their choices based on these observations, others are not so fussy. These then are the more discerning collectors?? Does that make them “truer than true” diecast collectors? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and these labels we apply don’t help. I’ve no time for any of this hierarchical BS.
As regards the 1:1. There is a wealth of excellent reference material available, some quoted here already, and if you’re passionate enough, an incredible amount of knowledge can be gained from these references - I agree that the real experts are those that conceived, designed and put these wonderful machines together. However there is enough source material out there from which you can identity certain details on this airframe for which you do not have to be an expert, and then make your own informed choices if you so wish.
I think the OP raised an excellent subject for discussion, and it will be interesting to see if any more references come to light, let alone a 1:400 model in the hand 😎✈️👍
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as moderator, I am tempted to edit this thread as it obviously has gotten quite derailed. As to why I dont ban Andrew Klein, that wont happen as he is the second longest DAC member here, he is one of just a few manufactureres who still posts here and we all know what his temprement is like and come to expect it. He speaks his mind and only flares up when it involves companies who dont play by the book.
As for the OP this is a very interesting topic as it brings to light yet still another version of a prototype L-1011. It seems there were quite a few hybrid schemes back in the early 70's. It would be nice if someone can consolidate all those different liveries all together on the 1:1 scale forum.
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Crownvic is absolutely correct. This thread has been derailed, and yes I am to blame but I had to speak out for what I felt was defamatory.
I will not post on this thread anymore, unless absolutely necessary.
Last but not least, collectors, manufacturers and other concerned parties are owed a duty of care. They must not be misled and they ought to know the truth which is concealed.
I shall provide all the necessary information and evidence as to what is going on in this hobby, and it is not just about Andrew Klein.
Please visit www.retromodels.net in the next few days and I will reveal all. Mr. Klein and anyone else is most welcome to sue me for defamation.
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I've got the TWA L-1011 in question and I have to say that it's pretty flawless and is a great addition to anyone's collection.
Unless you have put pen to paper and designed these aircraft, no one is really a expert. Some of you have that agenda that takes the fun out of collecting which is quite unfortunate for those who are true diecast aviation enthusiasts.
I don’t think it is about experts or non-experts, and it’s not about taking the fun out of the hobby just because one or another collector is interested in accuracy. It rather appears like a weak effort in defending minor quality.
Just try the alternate perspective as follows: minor quality and/or inaccurate designs are taking the fun out of the hobby. I have never seen someone telling other to be satisfied when there’s many things to be reasonably improved. That would be the death of progress and development, indeed.
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You all make a fair point and I am sorry if I came across as hostile. But like some of you have noted yes this thread has gone off topic and I respect those who have pointed that out.
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Originally Posted by dylan
Peresh (?), the model in question hasn't been made. The OP asked about TWA Twin Globe livery with Lockheed TriStar lettering (titles). Barrison's reply, above, shows what he is talking about. Rare photo, indeed!
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Crownvic is absolutely correct. This thread has been derailed, and yes I am to blame but I had to speak out for what I felt was defamatory.
I will not post on this thread anymore, unless absolutely necessary.
Last but not least, collectors, manufacturers and other concerned parties are owed a duty of care. They must not be misled and they ought to know the truth which is concealed.
I shall provide all the necessary information and evidence as to what is going on in this hobby, and it is not just about Andrew Klein.
Please visit www.retromodels.net in the next few days and I will reveal all. Mr. Klein and anyone else is most welcome to sue me for defamation.
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Retro-Models, what a way to ask for forgiveness of someone by threatening to release correspondence between you 2 if they don't comply with your wishes! You must have alot of friends!
Now lets have a Catfish 400 TWA L-1011 with airline logo!
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It‘d be a rather big set.
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Legend.
I have never seen someone telling other to be satisfied when there’s many things to be reasonably improved. That would be the death of progress and development, indeed.
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