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Old 09-16-2021, 01:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Some pics to enjoy. This one disappeared quickly from retailers shelves, despite a good production run. The VASP Airbus A300 in 1/400.
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Mine arrives Monday next. Can't wait.
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Very nice, I wish Mr Klein would use the Cf6-50's when he releases a 747 GE powered classic.
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Can't wait for mine to arrive. Thanks for sharing
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beautiful, but less details if i must do comparision of other brands
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beautiful, but less details if i must do comparision of other brands
Out of curiosity, which other brands are you referring to? Mine arrived today and it looks great. Aeroclassics offers a great A300 mould. Besides, it is hard to compare the attention to detail if there is no other manufacturer that produced the same model in the same livery.
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beautiful, but less details if i must do comparision of other brands
Out of curiosity, which other brands are you referring to? Mine arrived today and it looks great. Aeroclassics offers a great A300 mould. Besides, it is hard to compare the attention to detail if there is no other manufacturer that produced the same model in the same livery.
I'm talking in general, all model that I'm taking (obviously it's a personal opinion), I want that they have more details possibles, antennas and rolleble gears ...
I'm so happy that you like and so much of other peoples... And I'm only writing for my personal opinion.
I would like that in 2021 all the brands have a standards for details... And that make more similar to the real one this models



(Also because the prices are always growing up!)
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AeroClassics doesn't ruin the accuracy of their models by applying some out-of-scale gimmicks, such as antennas to a 400 scale model! If you like inaccurate models riddled with gimmicks and eyesores, then AeroClassics isn't for you!
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AeroClassics doesn't ruin the accuracy of their models by applying some out-of-scale gimmicks, such as antennas to a 400 scale model! If you like inaccurate models riddled with gimmicks and eyesores, then AeroClassics isn't for you!
Yeah you ruin the accuracy if models by using the wrong colors and bad printing
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AeroClassics doesn't ruin the accuracy of their models by applying some out-of-scale gimmicks, such as antennas to a 400 scale model! If you like inaccurate models riddled with gimmicks and eyesores, then AeroClassics isn't for you!
Maybe can do in scale for improve always more.
If something it's good today, maybe can t be good tomorrow.
You don't think so?

In the '80 we had the fiat Uno. Today we have fiat Punto.
With so much improvement and more technologies.
The world is always moving.

This it's a constructive critical, for to have better models and more clients! I don't think so that aeroclassics do models for passion, but for profit! More profit it's better!
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In all honesty, I do not think that there is anything wrong with this particular model. It doesn't have antennas but it doesn't make it a bad model. VASP A300 does have rolling gears and it represents classic airline.

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If something it's good today, maybe can t be good tomorrow.
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In the '80 we had the fiat Uno. Today we have fiat Punto.
With so much improvement and more technologies.
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This it's a constructive critical, for to have better models and more clients! I don't think so that aeroclassics do models for passion, but for profit! More profit it's better!
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They AC A300 mould is quite lovely. The only other manufacturer that had this mould was Dragon Wings and they don’t produce any 1/400 models. Don’t really see the need for rolling gear either. I’m happy with mine.
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In all honesty, I do not think that there is anything wrong with this particular model. It doesn't have antennas but it doesn't make it a bad model. VASP A300 does have rolling gears and it represents classic airline.
I think everyone has to realize that new (young) collectors entering the hobby do have ‘updated’ collecting requirements than the antique collectors (i.e. us). Aerials such as markings and antennae will become a regular feature on 1:400 scale - and if you want to sell items and stay in the market, you will have to catch up what NG, Panda, and others are already doing on certain model types. Plus, we all know that Andrew Klein’s ‘out-of-scale argument’ is just an excuse for being incapable of offering such details (“I don’t want to” is better PR than “I cannot do / afford / maintain”). Whatsoever, markets demand dictates.
Even Andrew Klein’s business is based on this economical principle.

Back on the VASP Airbus A300, it’s a lovely model on a lovely mold. At least, for an antique collector like me.
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Very nice, I wish Mr Klein would use the Cf6-50's when he releases a 747 GE powered classic.
I'd wish he'd make his A300s with the same decent CF6-50 moulds he's using on the DC-10.
The "one mould fits all" engines on the AC A300 are the spoiler for this otherwise very nice A300B2/B4 mould.
The VASP would have needed the later style CF6. Nicely done on the DC-10, why not on the A300?
(A300 and DC-10-30 use the same powerplants housed in common nacelles in case somebody wonders)
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You're like a broken record or bellybutton lint!!
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I think everyone has to realize that new (young) collectors entering the hobby do have ‘updated’ collecting requirements than the antique collectors (i.e. us). Aerials such as markings and antennae will become a regular feature on 1:400 scale - and if you want to sell items and stay in the market, you will have to catch up what NG, Panda, and others are already doing on certain model types. Plus, we all know that Andrew Klein’s ‘out-of-scale argument’ is just an excuse for being incapable of offering such details (“I don’t want to” is better PR than “I cannot do / afford / maintain”). Whatsoever, markets demand dictates.
Even Andrew Klein’s business is based on this economical principle.

Back on the VASP Airbus A300, it’s a lovely model on a lovely mold. At least, for an antique collector like me.
I'm in this for the old farts like us who appreciate aviation history!!
None of us care for, or appreciate gimmicks!!
I almost regret the rolling wheels, but after a few touch and goes on the countertop, I learned to adapt
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What's with the obsession about rolling gears?
If you want to roll your model around on a table go buy matchbox toys.
Rolling wheels overcomplicates the landing gear set, the spinner disconnects from the tires way too easily or a tire can fall out without much input at all.
I curse whenever I loose a tire or or tire splits from the spinner leading to it falling out. Frea*king annoying. Even NG has problems, I pretty much have to pull the whole nose gear out of a 787 because a tire was lost in transit aswell as the piece that holds it in.
Would much rather a more accurate mould than that.
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What's with the obsession about rolling gears?
If you want to roll your model around on a table go buy matchbox toys.
Rolling wheels overcomplicates the landing gear set, the spinner disconnects from the tires way too easily or a tire can fall out without much input at all.
I curse whenever I loose a tire or or tire splits from the spinner leading to it falling out. Frea*king annoying. Even NG has problems, I pretty much have to pull the whole nose gear out of a 787 because a tire was lost in transit aswell as the piece that holds it in.
Would much rather a more accurate mould than that.
There are several things a collector doesn’t need on a scale model - and rolling gears do belong to these unnecessary features.

@Andrew Klein: I am one of the dinosaurs and like many, many other fellow T-Rex, Diplodocus and Brontosaurs, I am all in for added decent details such as aerials. In essence: Deal with it.
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@ aklein707 not, I don't know you, but it's mutual, and I don't see the connection between my thinking and the fact that we don't know each other.

@747438, if you break the trolleys, maybe you are the one making the models run across the table. it doesn't happen to me! to the eye they give a better and more real touch! the models that I have, and that I have had with fixed wheels, were of a lower quality.
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Rolling wheels are an issue even if you’re gentle. Even gently taking a model out of a box can result in gear coming loose due to the axle. No one rolls models anyway as long as they have a brain cell, detailed non-rolling gear are best.
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May I ask how static gears make a model of the lower quality? Many models, including Aeroclasiccs that I own, have superior quality and got static gears. In addition, many experienced DAC collectors here, posted detailed reviews of different molds, which helped me select models fitting my collecting criteria.
I believe constructive criticism of models that collector purchased is a welcome element to both collector and the manufacturer. However, simple conclusions of the poor model quality based on the pictures posted by other members are rather unusual.

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@747438, if you break the trolleys, maybe you are the one making the models run across the table. it doesn't happen to me! to the eye they give a better and more real touch! the models that I have, and that I have had with fixed wheels, were of a lower quality.
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I don't think so that aeroclassics do models for passion, but for profit! More profit it's better!
You really don't know me then!!
I have proof, 100% proof that AeroClassics does not produce models for a profit. Many times now, I have offered Andrew Klein more than the retail price for a wholesale quantity of various models, and he has flatly refused. Pure profit with no risk but Andrew Klein has never been interested. He is just one person out of 7 billion on Earth that doesn’t like money.
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I think everyone has to realize that new (young) collectors entering the hobby do have ‘updated’ collecting requirements than the antique collectors (i.e. us). Aerials such as markings and antennae will become a regular feature on 1:400 scale - and if you want to sell items and stay in the market, you will have to catch up what NG, Panda, and others are already doing on certain model types. Plus, we all know that Andrew Klein’s ‘out-of-scale argument’ is just an excuse for being incapable of offering such details (“I don’t want to” is better PR than “I cannot do / afford / maintain”). Whatsoever, markets demand dictates.
Even Andrew Klein’s business is based on this economical principle.

Back on the VASP Airbus A300, it’s a lovely model on a lovely mold. At least, for an antique collector like me.
I'm in this for the old farts like us who appreciate aviation history!!
None of us care for, or appreciate gimmicks!!
I almost regret the rolling wheels, but after a few touch and goes on the countertop, I learned to adapt [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
This statement cannot be true. How can Mr. AK appreciate aviation history if he has not produced countless models that are a big part of history?

For seven years I have been begging Mr. Andrew Klein for 1:200 scale DC-8 models for TAI and UAT but he would rather destroy his mould than produce those.

TAI and UAT were two airlines that formed UTA which was then taken over by Air France. The irony is that AeroClassics have produced several UTA models but have ignored UTA’s own two parent airlines.

Adrian Balch, an ardent collector, has been begging Andrew Klein for a UAT DC-8 in 1:400 scale but that has fallen on deaf ears. Airline history totally neglected.

Air France, one of the world’s largest and most popular airlines has had its history through two very closely connected airlines, i.e. TAI and UAT ignored, the latter completely ignored in 1:200 and 1:400 scale.

Andrew, there’s simply no excuse for ignoring TAI and UAT, especially UAT and then claiming to be someone who appreciates aviation history.

Sri Lankan Airlines’ history goes back to Air Ceylon, yet our “aviation historian” has not done an Air Ceylon DC-8 despite having a 1:400 and 1:200 mould for several years now.

What is stopping Mr. Klein from producing the TAI and UAT models when I am offering him retail prices for wholesale quantities?

Last but not least, I want to assure collectors that RETRO MODELS is soon going to be BACK WITH A BIG BANG.

Several models in 1:200 and 1:400 are planned with some new moulds. I will make some announcements hopefully next week.

Who knows, there could also be a new DC-8 mould, so collectors can then see DC-8 models in 1:200 and 1:400 scale that our great “aviation historian” has deliberately ignored so far.

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Further to my above two posts, I can bet my bottom dollar that our appreciator of aviation history, Mr Klein will not comment on my posts as he does not have any answers to my valid arguments.
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May I ask how static gears make a model of the lower quality? Many models, including Aeroclasiccs that I own, have superior quality and got static gears. In addition, many experienced DAC collectors here, posted detailed reviews of different molds, which helped me select models fitting my collecting criteria.
I believe constructive criticism of models that collector purchased is a welcome element to both collector and the manufacturer. However, simple conclusions of the poor model quality based on the pictures posted by other members are rather unusual.
I have a Gemini Jets 757 dhl and a an-124, and i see that the static gear havent the accuracy that have my 2 NG Model...

i can say for my model.. and also for the model in 1/500 (but it's another sector, i know) it's the same...
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Rolling wheels are an issue even if you’re gentle. Even gently taking a model out of a box can result in gear coming loose due to the axle. No one rolls models anyway as long as they have a brain cell, detailed non-rolling gear are best.
...so...I think that i'm so lucky
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