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Hey all, thought I would start another thread about a interesting topic that’s been in my head the last few months, all the changes in the GeminiJets releases in 2021!

As we know, GeminiJets has been known to do all sorts of things with their releases, I have observed a few changes from the last few years and I thought I would mention them, if you know if any others, feel free to reply!

1. Regional Jets are back monthly!
It’s super exciting to see RJ’s back on a regular basis from GJ, as we know there have been numerous request for more regional jets ever since GJ toned down the frequency of making them. Before this March, we usually would get one regional jet every other month at best, in my opinion this is far to low. Even though the heavies are so much more profitable, wouldn’t you think GJ cares enough to do at least some for more variety? Luckily we are back in business in 2021! It all started with the very sought after Delta CRJ-900 and United CRJ-200 in March, followed by another very popular request in the American Eagle CRJ-900 in April. In June, the BA E170 & Skywest CRJ-700, July the SAS CRJ-900 & Azul E190, and now in August the Alliance E190 & Fedex ATR-42. It has be amazing to see more RJ’s, we have returned to the 2015 timeframe! We have also seen more narrowbodies as well compared to widebodies which has been a nice change at least. Still quite a few awesome wide bodies from GJ of course.

2. Some different heavy molds!
We have also seen some different heavy molds used from GJ! It started with the China Airlines Boeing 777F, instead of the 1 piece GJ mold it has the 2 piece JC mold but the logical assumption can be made that since it was a flap down release as well it was easier to pair the flaps down mold with the parent mold of the JC (just like the Qatar 787-9 in August 2020). Then it happened again with the Royal Jordanian 787-8, it has the 2 piece JC mold which is really nice but there was no flaps down or anything so my only guess is that it may have been convenient to do the JC mold since they were already making the China Airlines 777F with it, still awesome to see they did regardless of the reason!

3. CRJ QC issues return!
Even though the CRJ’s are back, they came with some rather disappointing assembly issues. Beginning with the Delta CRJ-900, not only were the main landing gear put in backwards (like the AC CRJ-900 from 2017 and DAL CRJ-700 from 2018) but on top of that the horizontal stabilizer were put in wrong. Let’s not forget that GJ fixed this issue for the UAL CRJ-550 in November 2019. The same issues came with the American Eagle with non painted winglets as well. Then the Skywest CRJ-700 came and the landing gear were inserted properly however the horizontal stabilizers were still an issue. Then the SAS CRJ-900 came in recently, the landing gear were inserted properly and it appears to be that the horizontal stabilizers have a better angle as well (I have only seen the waffle picture at the current time). Please keep in mind I’m not complaining about these issues. Rather interesting situation for sure.

4. Prices keep rising!

Oh boy our best friend, money, unfortunately GJ’s prices have went up this year. I know for sure there’s been two price increases but there may be a third as well, typically GJ doesn’t have two price increases per year. A assumption can be made that potentially the prices may have increased due to the pandemic, factories short on supplies? There have also been issues with GJ getting the models in as well this year. Hopefully the situation gets better soon.

5. Releases announced on Wednesday’s!

There have also been some massive inconsistencies in the day of the week the releases have been announced! They have been on Tuesday’s, Wednesday’s, and Thursday’s this year, I’m not sure why there’s so much variation but I believe Wednesday has never been a announcement day before so I found that interesting. Two things that have stayed consistent would be the 12PDT/3EST announcement time and a timer on their Instagram story the day before.

Some fun observations about GeminiJets releases this year! Let me know if you know of anymore!
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I appreciate Gemini’s increased frequency in releasing RJs. It’s probably because they want the little kids to zip it

New widebody molds are always fun to see. Flaps Down models especially; I really need to snag one up but they go so quick though... hopefully a few are still lying around, like a 787 one.

QC issues have been commonplace with Gemini Jets for the last few years. It’s not just regional jets, it’s across a good chunk of their line up. Hopefully these major issues are addressed. Granted they are getting better at the QC stuff for the CRJ, though it’s on the less popular models, like the SkyWest -700 and SAS -900. As I suggested before maybe they need to do a rerelease with the fixes implemented on the Delta and American -900s...

Prices have been rising for a while. I’d be fine with it if the quality did go up too.

There’s usually no consistency with new release announcements other than the fact that they’re announced on weekdays.


Apart from that I have not observed any other interesting things with Gemini Jets this year.
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The price hikes on models are annoying, I understand the whole market demand thing, but still. High prices for regular/subpar quality.
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The price rises probably relate more to increased costs of doing business in a COVID world, especially shipping costs.

The increase in usage of the JC Wings moulds suggests to me that the backlog of pre-built old mould models is gradually running out since it seems pretty certain that a lot of these Gemini releases are made years before they are released (see the NY Air MD-80 for example - no aerials suggests that was made years ago and sat in the warehouse). Obviously some models are made at shorter notice but not all.

In terms of the RJ QC issues I have seen a lot of people going 'Gemini still haven't fixed the issue' when the 2nd one came out and then being happy that they did with the later ones. The reality is probably that simply that all these CRJs were made a few years back and sat in the warehouse. Mistakes were simply made with the first two and rather than fix them after the first one was released GJ just pushed the second regardless as they knew it would sell. The same mistake simply wasn't made with the later ones so there probably never was a specific 'fix' event.

The biggest change I heard of from Gemini was that they are now making retailers insure the models themselves and aren't refunding when the models arrive with QC defects, which sounds like it is happening a lot.

On the plus side Gemini has been delving into it and JC's combined mould catalogue a little more recently, which is nice to see. They have a lot of good and under-used moulds - DHC-8, Saabs, ATRs, F100, One-Eleven 500, Britannia 100, CV-580 etc etc. Nice to see some L-188, IL-62, 717s recently.
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The price rises probably relate more to increased costs of doing business in a COVID world, especially shipping costs.

The increase in usage of the JC Wings moulds suggests to me that the backlog of pre-built old mould models is gradually running out since it seems pretty certain that a lot of these Gemini releases are made years before they are released (see the NY Air MD-80 for example - no aerials suggests that was made years ago and sat in the warehouse). Obviously some models are made at shorter notice but not all.

In terms of the RJ QC issues I have seen a lot of people going 'Gemini still haven't fixed the issue' when the 2nd one came out and then being happy that they did with the later ones. The reality is probably that simply that all these CRJs were made a few years back and sat in the warehouse. Mistakes were simply made with the first two and rather than fix them after the first one was released GJ just pushed the second regardless as they knew it would sell. The same mistake simply wasn't made with the later ones so there probably never was a specific 'fix' event.

The biggest change I heard of from Gemini was that they are now making retailers insure the models themselves and aren't refunding when the models arrive with QC defects, which sounds like it is happening a lot.

On the plus side Gemini has been delving into it and JC's combined mould catalogue a little more recently, which is nice to see. They have a lot of good and under-used moulds - DHC-8, Saabs, ATRs, F100, One-Eleven 500, Britannia 100, CV-580 etc etc. Nice to see some L-188, IL-62, 717s recently.
The whole “models sitting in a warehouse” thing could explain all the item numbers being out of wack at times, an example being the SkyWest CRJ-700 is in the 1200s. I have since been inspired to start a spreadsheet with all 1800+ releases of 1:400 Gemini Jets (excluding GeminiMacs) to see how out of order it can be
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"Then the SAS CRJ-900 came in recently, the landing gear were inserted properly and it appears to be that the horizontal stabilizers have a better angle as well (I have only seen the waffle picture at the current time)."

This is good news since I have one on the way to my airport.....

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I'd say primarily shipping costs. I've heard from several sources that the price of a container from China to LA has tripled in the past year.
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... I hope too see a new mould of the an-124.... with the cut in the wings.... i really can't see it... BRRR ...
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I'd say primarily shipping costs. I've heard from several sources that the price of a container from China to LA has tripled in the past year.
How about 6 times from $3,000 last year to $18,000 this year.
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I agree with Richard here,

With all the price increases in labor (and increased cost due to covid factory restrictions), materials, and especially the 3+ fold increase in container shipping costs, the price increase seems to be low compared to the increased cost.

And about the CRJ gear issue, Gemini Jets did their part and fixed it. It's not like they just made it bad on the more "popular" CRJ releases, and then fixed it for the less "popular" releases like you seem to suggest, its simply that there was an issue, and it was fixed on the latter releases. These models are made in advance, and the American CRJ's were probably on the ship even before the Delta CRJ arrived in the states, which is probably why it wasn't corrected in that release. If the issue wasn't fixed on the latter releases, some would have complained about Gemini not fixing issues, and because they fixed it, some are blaming them for messing up the popular ones. There is no way out.
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I appreciate Gemini’s increased frequency in releasing RJs. It’s probably because they want the little kids to zip it [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/images/smilies/lol.gif[/IMG]

New widebody molds are always fun to see. Flaps Down models especially; I really need to snag one up but they go so quick though... hopefully a few are still lying around, like a 787 one.

QC issues have been commonplace with Gemini Jets for the last few years. It’s not just regional jets, it’s across a good chunk of their line up. Hopefully these major issues are addressed. Granted they are getting better at the QC stuff for the CRJ, though it’s on the less popular models, like the SkyWest -700 and SAS -900. As I suggested before maybe they need to do a rerelease with the fixes implemented on the Delta and American -900s...

Prices have been rising for a while. I’d be fine with it if the quality did go up too.

There’s usually no consistency with new release announcements other than the fact that they’re announced on weekdays.


Apart from that I have not observed any other interesting things with Gemini Jets this year.
Could be so but that’s works for all of us! 🙂

Luckily I think GJ and JC will be making them for years to come, I would definitely wait till these releases calm down to get one lol!

I’m still not understanding why GJ is inconsistent on the CRJ main landing gear but indeed. From airbus narrowbodies CFM’s to 2 piece heavies, it’s been rough. Some places seem to be getting better but I’m very hopeful GJ will continue to work on it.

No kidding, you would think some better products would come with it. Ugh. Wishing for some improvements.

Time is also consistent haha.
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The price hikes on models are annoying, I understand the whole market demand thing, but still. High prices for regular/subpar quality.
Can’t believe that 10 years ago it was the opposite, what have we got ourselves into?!
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The price rises probably relate more to increased costs of doing business in a COVID world, especially shipping costs.

The increase in usage of the JC Wings moulds suggests to me that the backlog of pre-built old mould models is gradually running out since it seems pretty certain that a lot of these Gemini releases are made years before they are released (see the NY Air MD-80 for example - no aerials suggests that was made years ago and sat in the warehouse). Obviously some models are made at shorter notice but not all.

In terms of the RJ QC issues I have seen a lot of people going 'Gemini still haven't fixed the issue' when the 2nd one came out and then being happy that they did with the later ones. The reality is probably that simply that all these CRJs were made a few years back and sat in the warehouse. Mistakes were simply made with the first two and rather than fix them after the first one was released GJ just pushed the second regardless as they knew it would sell. The same mistake simply wasn't made with the later ones so there probably never was a specific 'fix' event.

The biggest change I heard of from Gemini was that they are now making retailers insure the models themselves and aren't refunding when the models arrive with QC defects, which sounds like it is happening a lot.

On the plus side Gemini has been delving into it and JC's combined mould catalogue a little more recently, which is nice to see. They have a lot of good and under-used moulds - DHC-8, Saabs, ATRs, F100, One-Eleven 500, Britannia 100, CV-580 etc etc. Nice to see some L-188, IL-62, 717s recently.
That’s what I’m thinking too. I will be eager to see how it balances out if and when the pandemic ends… knowing GJ they may just keep them up.

Neat observation, I definitely see where that’s coming from. We will have to continue observing and hopefully it works in our favor just like the JC molds.

I definitely see that potential, the horizontal stabilizers throw me off since the Skywest gear were in the right position but the horizontal stabilizers were still messed up. Anything is possible but I will be eager to see if there are any more with the issue.

Wow that’s disappointing to hear. I would be super frustrated if I was the retailer in that situation. One could hope they improve the quality of the models if they’re not going to give out refunds for models arriving broken.

That is definitely a fact, all of them are super nice! I really hope to see more of these molds used soon. Eager to see if they’ll ever make any new common molds like 737NG’s and A320’s as they haven’t done so in quite a few years now.
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The whole “models sitting in a warehouse” thing could explain all the item numbers being out of wack at times, an example being the SkyWest CRJ-700 is in the 1200s. I have since been inspired to start a spreadsheet with all 1800+ releases of 1:400 Gemini Jets (excluding GeminiMacs) to see how out of order it can be [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
What a great resource that will be if you choose to share it!
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"Then the SAS CRJ-900 came in recently, the landing gear were inserted properly and it appears to be that the horizontal stabilizers have a better angle as well (I have only seen the waffle picture at the current time)."

This is good news since I have one on the way to my airport.....

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My goodness, that is a ton, I’m sure that it was is expensive as it was.
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That mold most certainly needs a ton of work, the engines should not be touching the ground. Quite unfortunate that they did so many things right in the past but they have found ways to mess them up nowadays.
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I agree with Richard here,

With all the price increases in labor (and increased cost due to covid factory restrictions), materials, and especially the 3+ fold increase in container shipping costs, the price increase seems to be low compared to the increased cost.

And about the CRJ gear issue, Gemini Jets did their part and fixed it. It's not like they just made it bad on the more "popular" CRJ releases, and then fixed it for the less "popular" releases like you seem to suggest, its simply that there was an issue, and it was fixed on the latter releases. These models are made in advance, and the American CRJ's were probably on the ship even before the Delta CRJ arrived in the states, which is probably why it wasn't corrected in that release. If the issue wasn't fixed on the latter releases, some would have complained about Gemini not fixing issues, and because they fixed it, some are blaming them for messing up the popular ones. There is no way out.
All things considered they’re probably doing the best they can with the price. I’ll be eager to see what happens with the prices when the situation gets better, probably will keep them high.

Yeah like I was telling Richard I’m still very interested with the horizontal stabilizer situation but in terms of the main landing gear that part of it would make sense. Hopeful that the next ones are completely fixed and we get back to high quality CRJ’s is in the near future.
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