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Old 07-26-2021, 02:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was offering my brand new, never touched PIA B747-200 AP-BAK and AP-AYV for £80 each. No one bothered to buy them nor even make an offer. These are brand new because I bought two of each, which I normally do just in case the models get damaged or lost or whatever.

I offered a choice of the two models to someone today, and he thought the £80 was very high.

The same used model on eBay just went for a whopping £311. That was was NOT NEW but as new.

See the attached photos.

I am not going to sell my models anymore. What’s the point of making everyone happy and and make losses in return.

I will just burn my entire stockrooms full of these pieces of garbage or flush them down the toilet. Yes, I have many brand new rare ones. Big Birds, AeroClassics, Inflights etc. All brand new and rare. They are all being destroyed.

I am just burning them or turning them into scrap metal.

I have no luck in life whatsoever. My TU-104 mould is rotting away. I offered it for free to
Andrew Klein but he told me to go to hell.

Bob Cass doesn’t give a damn either. False promises. Bull **** from everyone.

I am just sick of this f***ing life.
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the thing with ebay is people like an AUCTION! buy it now models go unsold for ages. for some reason people will pay WAY MORE to win an auction. but i cannot fathom out why. i certainly wouldn't pay more! whether its the 'thrill' of winning an auction or what i don't know. but that just seems the way most ebay buyers seem to go.

really surprised AK + BC turned down the TU-104 mould for free.
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the thing with ebay is people like an AUCTION! buy it now models go unsold for ages. for some reason people will pay WAY MORE to win an auction. but i cannot fathom out why. i certainly wouldn't pay more! whether its the 'thrill' of winning an auction or what i don't know. but that just seems the way most ebay buyers seem to go.
I think that having a set price (without a best offer option) can turn people away because they’ll think “oh, this model costs a little too much for me, I think I’ll wait for another listing”, whereas an auction you don’t know how high the price is going to go, so people try to go for it, until it reaches a point where they think it’s too much.

That’s just my theory though.
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Old 07-26-2021, 06:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I was offering my brand new, never touched PIA B747-200 AP-BAK and AP-AYV for £80 each. No one bothered to buy them nor even make an offer. These are brand new because I bought two of each, which I normally do just in case the models get damaged or lost or whatever.

I offered a choice of the two models to someone today, and he thought the £80 was very high.

The same used model on eBay just went for a whopping £311. That was was NOT NEW but as new.

See the attached photos.

I am not going to sell my models anymore. What’s the point of making everyone happy and and make losses in return.

I will just burn my entire stockrooms full of these pieces of garbage or flush them down the toilet. Yes, I have many brand new rare ones. Big Birds, AeroClassics, Inflights etc. All brand new and rare. They are all being destroyed.
Have you ever just listed your models on this forum with a price next to each that you would like and then see what offers come your way? If offers are too low, just decline the offers. You might not get the spectacular bidding wars, but you do avoid the stupid eBay fees and you will get to unload some of the stock that's just sitting around.

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Don't know who Bob Cass represents, but have you thought about NG or Panda for the Ty-104 mould? Seeing as how AC doesn't want it...
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Old 07-27-2021, 03:43 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Don't know who Bob Cass represents, but have you thought about NG or Panda for the Ty-104 mould? Seeing as how AC doesn't want it...
NG replied saying they don’t want it as they are too busy until 2022. Panda didn’t reply to my email.
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the thing with ebay is people like an AUCTION! buy it now models go unsold for ages. for some reason people will pay WAY MORE to win an auction. but i cannot fathom out why. i certainly wouldn't pay more! whether its the 'thrill' of winning an auction or what i don't know. but that just seems the way most ebay buyers seem to go.

really surprised AK + BC turned down the TU-104 mould for free.
It's all about the adrenalin, if people have less time to think before they spend (in the last minutes before auction end), they will spend more money, because their eyes are on the prize, and they're not considering how much money they will spend.
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Old 07-27-2021, 04:22 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Feel free to ship some my way up the North of England, if it really does get to the point of giving up.

eBay is such a pain to sell on, but they practically have the Monopoly over that market, unfortunately. I agree with the above posters that buyers like the chase of an auction for some reason.
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I understand you pain/frustration. Here and there I have had to pay over the odds for some of these models, but still have a limit, and I watched that ebay auction all week as it sat at around the £45 for a few days, before shooting up to that crazy £311 in the final minutes/seconds…to someone that amount is obviously worth it but it still boggles the mind the way this hobby works.

I’ve also ended up with some duplicates and listed a spare Aeroclassics Singapore Airlines 747 here on DAC some time ago; no takers. I’ve seen auctions on that in the past go way above what I was asking - £90 all in. Yes, still a lot, but I paid £75 in cash for it at a model fair, so after post/packing/paypal etc. there’s not much left out of that to avoid making a loss. If I sold it in person however then I’d just ask what I’d paid - but that might still be too much. I’ll just keep it and possibly use for trading other models at future fairs. It’s the way it goes!

The take away from all this is to simply not pay more than you think the model is worth, and don’t depend on these things for a future investment. Where I have paid that premium, to me it’s worth it as I really wanted the model and they’re keepers.
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Old 07-27-2021, 08:02 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Me too! Let me know.....

Retrojets - you may have been selling these models, but perhaps were not visible to those who may be interested in sufficient numbers to warrant a bidding war!
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Old 07-27-2021, 09:39 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Me too! Let me know.....
Retrojets - you may have been selling these models, but perhaps were not visible to those who may be interested in sufficient numbers to warrant a bidding war!
Same here! I suspect the models somehow weren't visible enough. Had I known about those models, I would have been interested to see what was available at what price.

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I doubt if they would be interested considering the amount of models they do for themselves. They are probably full to capacity.
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I doubt if they would be interested considering the amount of models they do for themselves. They are probably full to capacity.
its always worth a try! but i reckon NG next year is best. (only just over 5 months away)! if a lot of guys here could lobby NG to take it!

PRM1162 did make a very good point about visibility. i only ever came across some of your listings by accident. i am sure i bought 1 or 2 in the past.
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eBay is a weird place indeed. Sometimes a model will sell for hundreds of dollars, but the next one doesn't even go above 100. Would love to see the list of rare Aeroclassics too if there any Dutch models for sale, can't remember seeing it here on DAC or any other forum.
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NG replied saying they don’t want it as they are too busy until 2022. Panda didn’t reply to my email.
I think (just think I don’t know for sure) that Panda’s email which used to be in the boxes is no longer their email… In case you’re using that one.
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eBay is a weird place indeed. Sometimes a model will sell for hundreds of dollars, but the next one doesn't even go above 100. Would love to see the list of rare Aeroclassics too if there any Dutch models for sale, can't remember seeing it here on DAC or any other forum.
exactly. There was a KLM 747 that went for $200 a few years ago but the same model only sold for $56 in a recent bid. The exact opposite situation to this post
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eBay is a weird place indeed. Sometimes a model will sell for hundreds of dollars, but the next one doesn't even go above 100. Would love to see the list of rare Aeroclassics too if there any Dutch models for sale, can't remember seeing it here on DAC or any other forum.
I tried to sell my Gemini200 Delta 727-200 in widget livery on ebay last September for 190 USD. Nobody bought it, I just got a message from one guy, who offered me 150 USD including shipping. So I decided to keep the model.
2 month later I relisted it again on auction and it was sold for 480 USD.
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