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Old 06-16-2021, 06:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Im posting this link to a podcast here because no other 400 scale company draws both praise and criticism from collectors than Gemini Jets. This is an interview with president of Gemini and co owner.

Interesting areas discussed are the early days on Gemini Jets start, mould and model selection, how the models are made, shipping, why models don't hold together glue issues, moving production to the States and elsewhere, merging with other model companies and lots more.

It is a long interview an 1 hour 15 minutes however the first 10 minutes is more of a bio that can be skipped, (yeah he mentions me, big deal) and so is the last 15 minutes too.

The Gemini story starts at the 9:30 mark and ends at the 1:00 mark so its roughly 50 minutes long.

Some may find it interesting, some may not, either way its different.

https://www.alexbridgeman.com/podcas...usiness-ep-65/


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I am not a big fan of podcast but will listen to this one when I find time. It does sounds interesting.
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I am not a big fan of podcast but will listen to this one when I find time. It does sounds interesting.
Agreed...Its the first podcast I have ever listened to..
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Agreed...Its the first podcast I have ever listened to..
I'm rather new to them too, but I have found they are good for road trips. Been mostly listening to Star Talk (Neil DeGrasse Tyson). But I am also going to the beach this weekend so I'll listen to this one about Gemini while I'm there
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Im posting this link to a podcast here because no other 400 scale company draws both praise and criticism from collectors than Gemini Jets. This is an interview with president of Gemini and co owner.

Interesting areas discussed are the early days on Gemini Jets start, mould and model selection, how the models are made, shipping, why models don't hold together glue issues, moving production to the States and elsewhere, merging with other model companies and lots more.

It is a long interview an 1 hour 15 minutes however the first 10 minutes is more of a bio that can be skipped, (yeah he mentions me, big deal) and so is the last 15 minutes too.

The Gemini story starts at the 9:30 mark and ends at the 1:00 mark so its roughly 50 minutes long.

Some may find it interesting, some may not, either way its different.

https://www.alexbridgeman.com/podcas...usiness-ep-65/


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Thank you Crownvic. This sounds very interesting and I plan to listen to it sometime today.
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That was an interesting listen. Completely agree that these models are getting more sophisticated and more delicate at the same time. I ordered a JC Thai B744 flaps down version and it came with a couple of flaps bent and cracked. Absolutely nothing I can do to fix that, I'm sticking to standard flap config models.

I was quite shocked at the ballpark estimate of what a model would cost collectors if manufactured here in the U.S. I guess we've priced ourselves out of these kind of manufacturing jobs, sad to say. If wages continue to rise around the world, will there be a point where diecast models become extinct because the lowest cost manufacturing country with the required skills is still too expensive for collectors to pay for a model? Considering that I recently paid over $600 for three 1/200 scale models (older releases), maybe we won't get to that point anytime soon.

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Would rather hear this live with a pitcher of Sangria at Don Pepe's...
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Ditto on that, but I'll definitely try to figure out podcasts, and give a listen. GJ has a very interesting history!!
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Very interesting, it was a great listen
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Very interesting and insightful, thanks for sharing.
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Enjoyed that too, but yeah "the podcast" what us geriatrics refer to as "a radio show".
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Very good listen. Our generation was very fortunate to be able to see such a diverse amount of airliners in person. And now we collect the models.
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Thanks, Crownvic. A very interesting podcast episode indeed.

When your brother is talking about about his gigantic model collection I suppose he also refers to Schabak models, doesn't he?
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Great interview - enjoyed listening to that, thanks Russell.
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I finished it. This is interesting and rather funny. I liked the young generation comments We are the old farts

I would disagree with some of the reason why you cannot bring back production in the US but I agree on the fact. This would not be cost competitive.
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When your brother is talking about about his gigantic model collection I suppose he also refers to Schabak models, doesn't he?
we never collected those ..
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Thank you for all the nice comments. I wasn't sure how well received this post would be knowing how controversial the topic company is. It does bring some interesting light to what goes on behind the scenes that most are not aware of...
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Thoroughly enjoyed the podcast with Elliot Epstein. As a longshoremen who is about to retire, I can definitely understand his remarks about the current situation with the shipping industry.

Covid-19 has greatly impacted many global shippers because of restrictions placed around the globe. It caused a great imbalance in the flow of goods and as a result, vessel scheduling was disrupted and container availability became scarce. With Covid-19, the earlier Chinese New Year holiday further disturbed the trade flow. I noticed a huge number of empty containers loaded onto vessels to fulfill the overwhelming amount of profitable goods ready to ship from China. This is while shippers of agriculture products and other low yielding items for ship lines have been hard pressed to find containers and slots to fulfill the needs of their own global customers. Too much else to say.

I thought Epstein's comments on producing models in China vs U.S. to be very interesting. Obviously, I don't ever see GJ coming to the U.S. All the while, I've noticed a real price increase in model retail prices among manufacturers. GJ looks to have lower prices on some models after retailer discounts. Aside from the models, I continue to support U.S. tariffs against China. I also liked Trump's initiative to loosen EPA regulations. But, that is all for not as the Democrats are currently in control.

As for rivet counters, I can appreciate Epstein's knowledge of simpler models as opposed to more intricate and delicate ones. In fact, reviewers will have to reconsider their analysis of earlier releases in stating the advantage of simpler designs. Also, enjoyed his opening and closing remarks.
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Very good listen. I am always interested to learn more about the growth and functioning of the hobby from concept to finished product. I also appreciate Mr. Epstein's openness on some very hot button questions for hobbyists. I could almost hear his inflection change while weighing the weight of his words on contentious topics. The only thing where I really find myself in disagreement with him is the topic of metal on metal bonding. Everyone here knows Gemini probably has the worst current track record for models showing up in pieces. He introduces this a result of models that come in more pieces and are less durable. Mr. Epstein was quick to shrug this off as a problem saying "most collectors keep a bottle of super glue around, and it's no problem." To me that illustrates an acknowledgment of this problem but also an acknowledgment that this isn't a high priority issue to be solved. My thought on this is that Gemini isn't the only manufacturer that has moulds that depend on fusion with glue, but other companies seems to have far less issue ensuring their products don't come apart by the time they reach the customer. To me, this continues to be an area of growth for Gemini. I can't wait until they get it sorted, then I'll be back.
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Everyone here knows Gemini probably has the worst current track record for models showing up in pieces. He introduces this a result of models that come in more pieces and are less durable. Mr. Epstein was quick to shrug this off as a problem saying "most collectors keep a bottle of super glue around, and it's no problem." To me that illustrates an acknowledgment of this problem but also an acknowledgment that this isn't a high priority issue to be solved.
I agree. This isn’t something that can be shrugged off; I, and some others, have said we’re paying a premium nowadays for these models, and to me, with premium prices comes premium expectations. I don’t expect them to come broken from other brands, but from Gemini it’s almost like rolling the dice. I hope they can improve in this area in the near future.
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Maybe you guys are farther shipping distances. I rarely have any issues.
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Podcasts in my experience are a good thing to fall asleep to, will listen when I need to 'zone out'.
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Maybe you guys are farther shipping distances. I rarely have any issues.
A lot of my models have been bought online. I've only had one model arrive broken caused by shipping.
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Thank you again for the link, Crownvic. Very interesting and informative. At least we know why production in the US won't happen.
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Wonder if Gemini Jets buys advertising space at LAS and other airports to showcase their models. Airports have glass cases for showing advertiser's wares. Don't know the related costs.
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Wonder if Gemini Jets buys advertising space at LAS and other airports to showcase their models. Airports have glass cases for showing advertiser's wares. Don't know the related costs.
When I visited DSM quite a few years back they had a Gemini250 model in their history exhibit in the terminal. Not sure if that fully counts but hey, a Gemini model in an airport counts for me
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When I visited DSM quite a few years back they had a Gemini250 model in their history exhibit in the terminal. Not sure if that fully counts but hey, a Gemini model in an airport counts for me
Very cool. History exhibit at DSM definitely counts. Have two of GJ's 250 models. Eastern and United DC-8-61s.
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Good listen and a voice of experience that highlight the complicity behind the scenes of our hobby, I still don't understand why we have distributors and retailers involved in this sales channel as 90% is bought online and all those steps between take their Margin. I would like to understand the added value of them involved bcs real retail shops are very rare.
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I loved it.

Especially the following part was so recognizable, when I see the situation in my personal professional life :

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I feel there’s a bit of a problem in the young generation respecting the older generations and their knowledge. Sadly, today’s generation is so technology savvy that I feel it’s given them the right to think that maybe they’re smarter.

They have all the answers because they can look at their iPhone and figure out 10 million things, where somebody my age has to stare at an iPhone for a few minutes before they even start texting. It’s not because we’re dumber, we’re just from a different generation. The one thing that I would love to see taught in school would be, you cannot replace experience. Years of experience of a person, a person that’s been through life and has done a lot of things both good and bad.

Experience in life and all the things that a person that’s 50, 60, 70, 80 years old, cannot be replaced by a 20-year old person that knows how to operate an iPhone 10 times better than an old person does, or can operate a computer better. That knows how to zip through programs on a computer. That’s all fine and dandy for that, but there’s still a real world out there, outside of your iPhone and your computer that you have to address. The only way you can solve the problems and deal with the problems of the real world is through experience and the through the eyes of people that have done it.
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Good listen and a voice of experience that highlight the complicity behind the scenes of our hobby, I still don't understand why we have distributors and retailers involved in this sales channel as 90% is bought online and all those steps between take their Margin. I would like to understand the added value of them involved bcs real retail shops are very rare.
I'm stunned by your inane comment regarding distributors and retailers.

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Fact remains that your mind is clouded with regard to distributors and retailers. At the very least, research the matter online or take a couple courses in business and logistics.
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Fact remains that your mind is clouded with regard to distributors and retailers. At the very least, research the matter online or take a couple courses in business and logistics.
This forum is to discuss with arguments, and would be good to read your opinion and others. for the people who know me personally they will tell you about my experiences in business and logistics ! no need to follow your recommendations.. come up with valid comments
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This forum is to discuss with arguments, and would be good to read your opinion and others. for the people who know me personally they will tell you about my experiences in business and logistics ! no need to follow your recommendations.. come up with valid comments
Based on your long experience, I'm especially stunned at your lack of knowledge for the use of distributors and retailers in the changing market place.

I'd like for you start off the conversation as to why companies need distributors and retailers.
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Based on your long experience, I'm especially stunned at your lack of knowledge for the use of distributors and retailers in the changing market place.

I'd like for you start off the conversation as to why companies need distributors and retailers.
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Our models became almost an exclusive e-commerce product, by reducing the logistics cost by strategic 3pl/4pl services at port of entry you can generate a better GM or lower your price . ( these can be done with contracted or own staff members to issue QC/QA ) As mentioned, issues with trucking in the USA increase cost and delay your supply chain , not available spaces on transatlantic sea/air routes at the moment have already the same issues.
So consolidation at port of entries and offering picking and shipping has definitely an economic advantage when your product is sold online

So why paying transport charges from manufacturer to distributor, then distributor to retailer and retailer to consumer. definitely you can skip at least one step in the process.

As a collector I buy 99% online , very rarely i visit a shop. so what we need is a very reliable website to follow up your order and shipping. I am sure all brands could do better on their websites .
Having worked in the cargo ship line agency and longshoremen businesses for years, I've always said that ship lines need an agent until they don't. This seems to be your case as you have taken the steps to build and operate a web-direct business. While I figure other modeling manufacturers have looked in that direction, various reasons have kept them from committing to a direct business model.

One of the biggest advantages for the use of distributors and retailers from a consumer standpoint is their ability to reach us with a number of different model manufacturers and other aviation related products. So, I can order models of different manufacturers and save on shipping costs. Which begs the question. Do you sell one manufacturer's line or all model lines? Is it diecast? Surely, you've purchased from online retailers who utilize distributors.
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