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Old 05-13-2021, 04:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Comparison: Qantas 747SP GJ & NG

As I noted in the other Qantas SP thread, my example does not seem to have the bubbling paint on the wings like some have seen. I was planning to sell it seeing as NG has released an updated mould, but now that the NG has arrived, I'm not so sure.

The NG mould overall is pretty clearly superior, as has been pointed out in several reviews. The undercarriage, engines and pylons, wing/fuselage join, and printing detail all surpass the existing Gemini example. Despite all the criticism about the NG's window height lining up with the correct nosecone position, I don't find that it's materially different from the Gemini there either.

Unfortunately, the cockpit printing on the NG seems really wonky compared to the real thing. The Gemini's isn't perfect, but it doesn't stand out to me as being as 'off' as the NG does. And in this case, I actually think the close-in photography makes the NG cockpit look better than it does 'in the flesh.' There's really something odd about it when viewed at normal distance. I took pictures with both examples in both positions because there was a bit of glare that affected the plane on the left that I couldn't get rid of. So taking all that into consideration, what do you think?

I'm also thinking that Gemini got the yellowish-orange color closer to the real thing, but I'm interested in your opinions there as well (I've never seen this livery on the 1:1 in person).

And given that a lot of us just took Richard's survey about what matters most to us collectors - I should say that my answers were a little different than the majority in that color is a major factor for me - I can overlook mould inaccuracies much more easily than color goofs. And bad cockpit printing is another major 'thing' for me - if that is off, I also have a hard time looking past that.

So bottom line I may end up keeping the GJ, but I'm curious to see what you all think.

Most of these shots are NG left, GJ right, except the third one where as I mentioned I switched positions to account for the glare on the left one.






Side note: please don't turn this into yet another brand vs brand slugfest - I'm not interested. Measured, reasoned opinions only or stay the F off my thread.
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Nice pictures, they are obviously both good models and I concur that the GJ has the better shades. I would also keep this one.
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Interesting. It does look like your NG has a better cockpit on the starboard side to the port. I still prefer it I think as the cockpit shape on the Gemini means the cockpit windows kind of slide down the nose.

The Aussie Airliners site is kind of the bible for checking Aussie things in general and has a bucket load of photos on it:

http://www.aussieairliners.org/b-747/vh-eaa/vheaa.html

I think you may be correct and Gemini got the colours better on the cheatline. It doesn't bother me too much but I know you are a colour junkie.
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Nice pictures, they are obviously both good models and I concur that the GJ has the better shades. I would also keep this one.
Like I've said in another thread, you can almost always count on Gemini getting the colors right. I've never had any issues with them on color at all.
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I know how tricky it is to correctly capture a peach/orange tone so I'm not really sure here.


Would you have pics of the tail too? I take it NG repeated GJs error on how the tail is painted. Same issue as on the SAA 747SP release and not really uncommon to many 747SP operators: the very bottom of the vertical stab is painted white to "hide" the SP's curvy fuselage in that area (The taper is there to increase effective stab area in order to deal with increasing yaw of the short body)
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Would you have pics of the tail too? I take it NG repeated GJs error on how the tail is painted. Same issue as on the SAA 747SP release and not really uncommon to many 747SP operators: the very bottom of the vertical stab is painted white to "hide" the SP's curvy fuselage in that area (The taper is there to increase effective stab area in order to deal with increasing yaw of the short body)
Yeah they got that wrong too
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Would you have pics of the tail too? I take it NG repeated GJs error on how the tail is painted.
Here's the tails Alex (NG left, GJ right) - they look pretty similar to me, but it seems on this page that they didn't always have the white on the lower part of the tail: http://www.aussieairliners.org/b-747/vh-eaa/vheaa.html Some later pics seem to show it but not the earlier ones.

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Here's the tails Alex (NG left, GJ right) - they look pretty similar to me, but it seems on this page that they didn't always have the white on the lower part of the tail: http://www.aussieairliners.org/b-747/vh-eaa/vheaa.html Some later pics seem to show it but not the earlier ones.

You're right. In the pre-delivery shots the entire tail is red but by the time it arrived in Australia the tail had changed. Must have been repainted in January 1981 between the test flight and delivery. Good spot
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Are NG using the same tail as the 747-200?

It should be bigger as on the GJ
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Since Kwontiss/Contiss wants to get all fancy with their acronyms, is it "SPQANTAS", or "QANTASSP?
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Are NG using the same tail as the 747-200?

It should be bigger as on the GJ
No they aren't.

I just measured the two moulds tail heights by running a ruler along the rear margin. The Gemini's tail is 1mm taller (3cm : 2.9cm) but in Denny's photo you can also see the NG is slightly further back when you look at the shadows. I don't know which is correct but the NG has a better tail shape overall so I'd expect it is.

They are both way taller than a standard 747-200 tail.
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Good comparison review Denny. Agree with all your findings and the NG cheatline is slightly too dark. The GJ version is more accurate that I'm happy with and won't be replacing.
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It was requested by some on other platforms that I make a review video of the NG 747SPs from this month and so here it is. Thanks for your work above Denny I mention you in the vid:

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The AA 747SPs were ex-TWA planes.
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Cheers. I should have looked it up but I was in mid-flow and couldn't be bothered to stop and look.
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Here's the tails Alex (NG left, GJ right) - they look pretty similar to me, but it seems on this page that they didn't always have the white on the lower part of the tail: http://www.aussieairliners.org/b-747/vh-eaa/vheaa.html Some later pics seem to show it but not the earlier ones.


Thank you.
Amazing how many airframes get their livery refined between first flight and delivery. EAA seems to be another example here. I take it EAB never had it though as EAA had already been updated several months prior to EAB's rollout.
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Lower vert stab repainted pre delivery, but they missed that VH-EAA carried the registration in white for several months.
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Interesting. It does look like your NG has a better cockpit on the starboard side to the port. I still prefer it I think as the cockpit shape on the Gemini means the cockpit windows kind of slide down the nose.

The Aussie Airliners site is kind of the bible for checking Aussie things in general and has a bucket load of photos on it:

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I think you may be correct and Gemini got the colours better on the cheatline. It doesn't bother me too much but I know you are a colour junkie.
I concur!!
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