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Old 05-04-2021, 02:39 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Does anyone really need to say it again? It's too early to judge the color yet!
The only photos we have seen so far are these oversaturated first photos from NG Models! Please, just wait until you have seen it in your hands or have seen photos in good lighting before making a final verdict.

I don't know how the actual model will turn out, but I hope it will be better than NG's photos of it, which have been edited and are certainly wrong. When mine arrives, I will be sure to post it here with photos.

We all remember the NG B6 A321. The colors in the initial photos looked terrible. And what happened after people received them? They looked far better! Definitely not perfect, but very different from NG's photos and much closer to the real thing.

TLDR: Don't trust the initial photos of models from manufacturers, as the model can be very different!
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It's probably really hard to get Canyon Blue right. The shade comes out very different depending on the lighting situation, and the blue has faded to be lighter on some older aircraft. I honestly don't really think that there's a true right or wrong to Canyon Blue anymore, as photos have so many different shades to them. This may not make much sense to you, call me stupid or whatever, but that's how I see it. As long as the model isn't drastically off (such as the NG AA A321, GJ AA A320, AC UA A319) then I don't care that much.
You are definitely correct, some liveries do change colour depending on the lighting. I’ve never seen southwest so I can’t comment on that but I see KLM at my local airport all the time and I’ve noticed when taking a photo of them, the blue turns from a darker blue to a pale blue.

NG have actually made 2 examples of KLMs 737-800 and I’m pleased that they got the shade of blue a bit darker which is as it should be.

Colours are an issue for any manufacturer, some more than others, NGs photos are difficult to judge when referring to colours as the photos are over saturated and the lighting is boosted so you can see all the detailing on the model so you can’t really judge the colours till you receive the model which can be a pain.
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What exactly are you trying to prove? The color is still not correct!! .Period!

Carry on!
I think it's quite good, given some photos:


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HOT HOT HOT??

COLD COLD COLD is the water some of you need to splash on your faces for a wake up call, or a reality check.

Not to nit pick or anything, but....
1/ the shade of blue is a mile off. That shade of blue represents the current color scheme, and not the lighter, almost purple, Canyon blue that graced this color scheme! That's already a no go item for me, but there are more...
2/ what's with that unsightly, oversized protractor triangle on the NLG strut? Completely out of scale and an eyesore.
3/ oh wait, y'all love antennas so much, but they forgot the antenna just behind the cockpit.
4/ the 737-700 should sit at a different attitude. I'm not going to tell you all everything, but you get the picture.

Thankfully, I already have a Southwest 737-700 in my collection which is a heck of a lot better, more accurate, and cheaper no doubt, than this next generation abortion.

HOT HOT HOT, more like HA HA HA!!
So yours is correct in every way is it.....even right down to the colour!

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what I find amazing is the continuous arguments about who got the paint right and who got it wrong. A photo will never do anyone justice. Just go to any hub airport and see numerous fuselage frames all lined up at the jetways and one will see several different shades especially from the direction of the sun.

I use to see 6 Virgin 747's at Orlando at the same time all parked at different angles and not one was the same. Yes I know some had a different fuselage color to start with.

Another good example is Delta in Atlanta...

I would imagine the model companies mentioned here have their ducks in a row and use the correct Pantone color prior to building the model.
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what I find amazing is the continuous arguments about who got the paint right and who got it wrong. A photo will never do anyone justice. Just go to any hub airport and see numerous fuselage frames all lined up at the jetways and one will see several different shades especially from the direction of the sun.

I use to see 6 Virgin 747's at Orlando at the same time all parked at different angles and not one was the same. Yes I know some had a different fuselage color to start with.

Another good example is Delta in Atlanta...

I would imagine the model companies mentioned here have their ducks in a row and use the correct Pantone color prior to building the model.
I don't care about who got it wrong. I'm defending NG's color because I own their other WN releases which are spot on. I used to work at LAS (one of WN's biggest airports by a long shot), and I have grown up spotting Southwest 737s throughout my life in this livery and I'm confident in my judgement here.
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I don't care about who got it wrong. I'm defending NG's color because I own their other WN releases which are spot on. I used to work at LAS (one of WN's biggest airports by a long shot), and I have grown up spotting Southwest 737s throughout my life in this livery and I'm confident in my judgement here.
A little testy there. I too never said anyone got it wrong in fact i was defending both manufacturers in question.
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A little testy there. I too never said anyone got it wrong in fact i was defending both manufacturers in question.
You do bring up a good point though! I wasn't trying to come across as arguing with you. Here's a photo of them lined up at LAS, in fresh paint



Also! Southwest's Canyon Blue color tends to look different upon fresh repaint and aircraft that are still wearing it today. Here are some examples.

N707SA in 2005 right after being painted



N707SA 13 years later



And some other comparisons

Aeroclassics' version of the color compared with NG's, in the morning sun



NG's color in natural sunlight versus the real thing



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Send some of that Sun up to Vancouver Canada and a few Southwest Flights serving YVR as well.
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And some other comparisons

Aeroclassics' version of the color compared with NG's, in the morning sun


Well, that AeroClassics B732 is obviously an accurately portrayed 13 years faded blue model. Wasn't it advertised as such?

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just take a look on planespotters or jetphotos and you'll see a massive variation in paint between photos of the same craft.

Thankfully Southwest's Pantone colors are findable which is what panda used in this release, so it;s guaranteed to be mostly accurate.
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Well, that AeroClassics B732 is obviously an accurately portrayed 13 years faded blue model. Wasn't it advertised as such?

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Very interesting, I would have lost a huge bet if anyone claimed the classic 737-200 airframe was painted in the canyon blue colors. I probably flew on it a few times too and completely forgot.
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Very interesting, I would have lost a huge bet if anyone claimed the classic 737-200 airframe was painted in the canyon blue colors. I probably flew on it a few times too and completely forgot.
They were pretty common for a few years if I recall
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Very interesting, I would have lost a huge bet if anyone claimed the classic 737-200 airframe was painted in the canyon blue colors. I probably flew on it a few times too and completely forgot.
From what I understand, N96SW was the only 737-200 painted in the canyon blue....was painted blue in early 2001 and was retired in January 2005.
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Part 2 of the survey results will be coming later today but in the meantime I got my copy of the Southwest 73G yesterday and it is impressive. Here's a quick review video of it:

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Part 2 of the survey results will be coming later today but in the meantime I got my copy of the Southwest 73G yesterday and it is impressive. Here's a quick review video of it:

Hey Richard, good review as always. Something I notice in your video is the main gear hubs of your model are white and not red as they should be. Is that because you acquired an early copy?
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Hey Richard, good review as always. Something I notice in your video is the main gear hubs of your model are white and not red as they should be. Is that because you acquired an early copy?
Nope that looks like a genuine mistake that I didn't spot. Good eyes. I just got it a bit earlier than most - it isn't in anyway special.

I'd have knocked off another point if I'd have realised that!
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Nope that looks like a genuine mistake that I didn't spot. Good eyes. I just got it a bit earlier than most - it isn't in anyway special.

I'd have knocked off another point if I'd have realised that!
In the livery or quality control section...? For real though, the stock photo in the thread's OP has the correct red, as do the previous 737-800 Canyon Blue releases. That seems to point at it being a quality control issue. How bizarre. Once I get my hands on my copy I will post it in this thread.
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Nope, purpleplane is right, N96SW was the only -200 to get painted into Canyon Blue, and I've even seen some claims that it was not supposed to have been, since the -200's were pretty much on their way out when that livery was introduced. Not sure how it would happen 'by mistake' - I think it's more likely it had something to do with being a named aircraft as well. And I'm fortunate to have it in my logbook, in 1:400, and 1:200

I'm confident NG's color is fine here.
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Nope, purpleplane is right, N96SW was the only -200 to get painted into Canyon Blue, and I've even seen some claims that it was not supposed to have been, since the -200's were pretty much on their way out when that livery was introduced. Not sure how it would happen 'by mistake' - I think it's more likely it had something to do with being a named aircraft as well. And I'm fortunate to have it in my logbook, in 1:400, and 1:200 [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

I'm confident NG's color is fine here.
Guess I just got lucky and saw it at my airport multiple times
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Nope, purpleplane is right, N96SW was the only -200 to get painted into Canyon Blue, and I've even seen some claims that it was not supposed to have been, since the -200's were pretty much on their way out when that livery was introduced. Not sure how it would happen 'by mistake' - I think it's more likely it had something to do with being a named aircraft as well.
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I've been informed that apparently NG got the pantone colours for the Canyon Blue scheme from Southwest Airlines themselves who recommended a photo to be used.
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I've been informed that apparently NG got the pantone colours for the Canyon Blue scheme from Southwest Airlines themselves who recommended a photo to be used.
Not surprising Southwest recommended a photo of when an aircraft was freshly painted as opposed to having done a billion and a half cycles under the Las Vegas sun and therefore being bleached out.
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I've been informed that apparently NG got the pantone colours for the Canyon Blue scheme from Southwest Airlines themselves who recommended a photo to be used.
This is fascinating for a variety of reasons. What an antonym of Delta and Alaska Airlines.
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Also! Southwest's Canyon Blue color tends to look different upon fresh repaint and aircraft that are still wearing it today. Here are some examples.

N707SA in 2005 right after being painted



N707SA 13 years later



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While I do agree that the NG colors look fine, I find arguing based on a few images rather pointless.

First of all, the images may show the aircraft being 13 years older, but certainly not the paint job. This should be renewed all 6-7 years I'd think.

Colours seen on such natural light pictures depend an the following:
camera settings, post processing, make of cam/sensor/components, date and time, location, humidity, distance between sensor and airframe, angle, use of filters etc...

The two pictures above are very different in many regards. Taken on a clear November day vs. a possibly more humid day in May.
I'm not saying the paint doesn't fade, but it would be better to compare a 2005 image with one taken in roundabout 2011. Still an exact comparsion would fail in many regards.
Of course, looking at all pics accross the www allows for an edjucated guess.

The way to tell the "correct" color is to get the first hand info: which color system was used (Pantone, RAL, FS...)? Then get the respective charts for the number, mix laquers to match.
Still that would give you the exact color only for the lighting conditions you adjusted them in. As you only know the Pantone code but not the exact pigmentation, you'd possibly run into troubles with metamerism.
So the real ONLY way is to go by the exact fomulation of the original laquer which often is not feasible.

Still, even if you'd succeed, you likely end up having your model's color "too dark" for the average customer, despite of your colors being a 100% match to the Pantone... Why? Most know the airframe from (tele lens) pictures or distance only. Long distance between object and sensor means increasing light scattering. Colors appear lighter with a slight blueish cast. Nitpicky scale modelers my have heard of this "scale effect".

Enough for the color nitpicking from my side.
Now can I ask NG for releasing a Germania 737-700?
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While I do agree that the NG colors look fine, I find arguing based on a few images rather pointless.

First of all, the images may show the aircraft being 13 years older, but certainly not the paint job. This should be renewed all 6-7 years I'd think.

Colours seen on such natural light pictures depend an the following:
camera settings, post processing, make of cam/sensor/components, date and time, location, humidity, distance between sensor and airframe, angle, use of filters etc...

The two pictures above are very different in many regards. Taken on a clear November day vs. a possibly more humid day in May.
I'm not saying the paint doesn't fade, but it would be better to compare a 2005 image with one taken in roundabout 2011. Still an exact comparsion would fail in many regards.
Of course, looking at all pics accross the www allows for an edjucated guess.

The way to tell the "correct" color is to get the first hand info: which color system was used (Pantone, RAL, FS...)? Then get the respective charts for the number, mix laquers to match.
Still that would give you the exact color only for the lighting conditions you adjusted them in. As you only know the Pantone code but not the exact pigmentation, you'd possibly run into troubles with metamerism.
So the real ONLY way is to go by the exact fomulation of the original laquer which often is not feasible.

Still, even if you'd succeed, you likely end up having your model's color "too dark" for the average customer, despite of your colors being a 100% match to the Pantone... Why? Most know the airframe from (tele lens) pictures or distance only. Long distance between object and sensor means increasing light scattering. Colors appear lighter with a slight blueish cast. Nitpicky scale modelers my have heard of this "scale effect".

Enough for the color nitpicking from my side.
Now can I ask NG for releasing a Germania 737-700?
I don't think camera quality matters here. Just look at any photo of any Canyon Blue airplane in a fresh repaint photo versus years later. These airplanes do thousands of flights in and out of places like Vegas - of course the colors will fade considerably. Every photo of a freshly painted Canyon Blue coat shows it in the way NG has done it. Furthermore, Southwest THEMSELVES have given NG a photo to use, so it's safe to bury the hatchet. Though, I do wonder what Andrew thinks of this?
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I don't want to rock the boat or stir up trouble, but I highly doubt Southwest Airlines communicated with an unlicensed model company in China to assist in their model production, while charging their US counterparts a royalty fee, unless NG figured a different angle or way to go about it.
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I don't want to rock the boat or stir up trouble, but I highly doubt Southwest Airlines communicated with an unlicensed model company in China to assist in their model production, while charging their US counterparts a royalty fee, unless NG figured a different angle or way to go about it.
Doesn't happen often, but here I fully agree.

"recommending a photo" sounds everything but professional and more like some facebook contact to someone who considers a given image color correct - now if either his or NGs screen isn't perfectly color calibrated they are lost.
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I don't want to rock the boat or stir up trouble, but I highly doubt Southwest Airlines communicated with an unlicensed model company in China to assist in their model production, while charging their US counterparts a royalty fee, unless NG figured a different angle or way to go about it.
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I've been informed that apparently NG got the pantone colours for the Canyon Blue scheme from Southwest Airlines themselves who recommended a photo to be used.
Not sure I get you right: did they get the Pantone colours from SW or did. SW just refer to the various aircraft photos in the www?
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Not sure I get you right: did they get the Pantone colours from SW or did. SW just refer to the various aircraft photos in the www?
I assume a WN associate just gave them a photo of a freshly painted aircraft.
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Update, got my Southwest. It's looking stunning!

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I don't think camera quality matters here. Just look at any photo of any Canyon Blue airplane in a fresh repaint photo versus years later. ...

No time to go through A.net etc. trying to find a Southwest aircraft on the same day/location in different pics, but I find dozens of shades for the same aircraft on dates that cannot be blamed on fading colors. Our 252WN was repainted around 2012 btw, so the best bet is on finding a faded one in late 2011 - or a very recent one.



I knew I would find redundant images for Finkenwerder to show what I'm talking about - admittedly took a tricky one for the sensors out there.

So here's ANA's A380 - images from A.net


Same location and all, shot in just a few seconds timeframe. Just camera settings and post-processing.

Which one is the "correct" color?
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No time to go through A.net etc. trying to find a Southwest aircraft on the same day/location in different pics, but I find dozens of shades for the same aircraft on dates that cannot be blamed on fading colors. Our 252WN was repainted around 2012 btw, so the best bet is on finding a faded one in late 2011 - or a very recent one.



I knew I would find redundant images for Finkenwerder to show what I'm talking about - admittedly took a tricky one for the sensors out there.

So here's ANA's A380 - images from A.net


Same location and all, shot in just a few seconds timeframe. Just camera settings and post-processing.

Which one is the "correct" color?
Wow, amazing the difference in the 4 shots.. just a guess at best, but I would say the one in the bottom left, just using the sky color as a reference...but again, I'm probably wrong...
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So mine arrived a couple days ago, here it is in direct sunlight. I think the color looks fine, resembling the "fresh paint" look of the real thing.


I did notice that the nose wheel looked bigger than previous NG 737 releases. As you can see, it sits slightly higher than the United 737-800 from 2020. This isn't a big issue for me though.


Overall I think the model looks really nice, very happy with it!
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Lol, I'm quite new to this forum and its quite fun to see people argue like crazy over small details xD

By this, I mean the argument on the first pages with the color and details of the southwest, not the more current posts.
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