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Old 04-30-2021, 04:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Today a box from DARON appeared on my front porch, and I knew that my newest GJ model had arrived.
Based on all the rhetoric and vitriol I've been reading on this forum, I was scared to open the box, however, I did anyways!

The beautiful model arrived in one piece, with all landing gear, tires, engines, wings and stabs attached! It's already in my display cabinet, right next to some nice AeroClassics of similar subject matter.

My conclusion is that this forum, and most of you NGbots and apologists who post here, are nothing but those with an agenda to fulfill.

I would recommend, if asked, to any person serious about collecting models, to way all sides of the story, and the reviews of some of the so-called experts. At the end of the day, some have an agenda to pursue, which completely sucks the fun out of this hobby for the rest of us!

Happy collecting!
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No pictures? Are you going to say which model it is?

I'll post pics of my new York air Md-80 when I get it, whether it's terrible or model of the year. Unfiltered.
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Every single brand I've purchased came with bent, detached parts, or scratches.


AeroClassics is the worst in my experience largely because of the paint issues on many of the samples I received. Gemini has had ups and downs. At one point practically all of my JC Wings arrived with wings detached but they seem to have gotten better now. Phoenix used to be good but when downhill a few years back. I haven't been buying them as much as a result. Detached and scratched parts were common.

NG seems to have the best quality control out of the bunch in my experience. I've had the least issues with detached parts. Likewise with paint and bent part defects.

Some of the JCW I received:







Gemini:





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DC-10 Northwest 1:


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DC-10 Northwest 3 (wing detached if it wasn't clear):





Sent all three of those back for something else.


Don't have any pictures of NGs, but I've had around 3-4 of them with detached parts out of around 30 or so models. A few with minor scratches.

No brand is perfect, but I'll keep buying the brands I have had the best recent experience with. I've been fairly impressed with my recent JCW so hopefully their quality control continues the good streak it has had.

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My conclusion is that this forum, and most of you NGbots and apologists who post here, are nothing but frauds, with an agenda to fulfill.
Taking criticism and listening to the voice of the collectors goes a long way.

It sounds like you have received one of the few RJ's (I assume) that was not part of the QC issues most people have had with them. We haven't seen any pictures of any of those that are in good condition, but it could be the minority that have received bad models are being the most vocal.

I've personally never had a model arrive damaged in a way that I didn't mind fixing. Plus I know most of the damage is done in transit, most not sent that way.

Also, I saw my copy of the AC 727. Great work, can't wait to have the money to add it to my collection haha
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Today a box from DARON appeared on my front porch, and I knew that my newest GJ model had arrived.
Based on all the rhetoric and vitriol I've been reading on this forum, I was scared to open the box, however, I did anyways!

The beautiful model arrived in one piece, with all landing gear, tires, engines, wings and stabs attached! It's already in my display cabinet, right next to some nice AeroClassics of similar subject matter.

My conclusion is that this forum, and most of you NGbots and apologists who post here, are nothing but frauds, with an agenda to fulfill.

I would recommend, if asked, to any person serious about collecting models, to avoid this forum at all costs, and the reviews of some of the so-called experts. At the end of the day, they all have an agenda to pursue, which completely sucks the fun out of this hobby for the rest of us!

Happy collecting!
I hope you realize one day that a n=1 sample size is not enough to draw any sort of statistically sound conclusion.
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Today a box from DARON appeared on my front porch, and I knew that my newest GJ model had arrived.
Based on all the rhetoric and vitriol I've been reading on this forum, I was scared to open the box, however, I did anyways!

The beautiful model arrived in one piece, with all landing gear, tires, engines, wings and stabs attached! It's already in my display cabinet, right next to some nice AeroClassics of similar subject matter.

My conclusion is that this forum, and most of you NGbots and apologists who post here, are nothing but frauds, with an agenda to fulfill.

I would recommend, if asked, to any person serious about collecting models, to avoid this forum at all costs, and the reviews of some of the so-called experts. At the end of the day, they all have an agenda to pursue, which completely sucks the fun out of this hobby for the rest of us!

Happy collecting!
Just an example, I have 244 Gemini models in my collection, and every single one of them arrived with everything attached. I also have 73 Aeroclassics, and only one had a detached part (a left engine on a 757) . I also have 12 NG models and 3 of them (all A321's) arrived with the left wing detached.. I'm thinking 3 out of 12 isn't very good from a QC viewpoint.
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Just an example, I have 244 Gemini models in my collection, and every single one of them arrived with everything attached. I also have 73 Aeroclassics, and only one had a detached part (a left engine on a 757) . I also have 12 NG models and 3 of them (all A321's) arrived with the left wing detached.. I'm thinking 3 out of 12 isn't very good from a QC viewpoint.
Not unexpected! GJ is much better than NG. It's not even close! GJ also has much more fair pricing, considering they are the original, and the other is a bottomfeeder.
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Real bottomfeeders those NG 757s are, right?
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Andrew, do you know when Daron will carry Aeroclassics? Their NJ shop is nearby so it would be very convenient for me. Thanks.
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Some statistically significant, and objective facts on broken models I've had.

-by far the most common breakage is a loose horizontal stabilizer. Most common breakage that isn't easily fixable is engine damage.
-narrowbodies break far more often than widebodies
-NG 737 and a321 are the ones which have broken more than 1-2 times. Most typical Is I'll get about 2 or 3 NG with a loose wing or stabilizer out of every hundred or 150 models I order.
-GJ/JC old cradle moulds, and Dragon models rarely break
-AV400 breakage rate is so far the lowest at far less than 1%
-GJ breakage rate is so far the highest at over 15% (for decent sample size)
-GJ's most common breakages are also from the a320 series and the 737
-Aeroclassics most common issue is the tires popping off
-NG is by far the easiest to get spare parts from such as gears and antenna
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Thought you'd been quiet for a fair bit. Must've been storing all that hate and vitriol up for weeks AK! �� Need to change the record mate, this one is getting a bit boring.
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Andrew, do you know when Daron will carry Aeroclassics? Their NJ shop is nearby so it would be very convenient for me. Thanks.
Most of AC sales in the USA are done via the aeroclassicsdirect.com website. Some of the longtime loyal supporters, such as Buchair (NY), Adamjets (FL), & Eztoys & Jet Collector (CA) also continue to sell AC. DARON is a distributor, and a mighty good one at that!! AC has no need for further distribution.
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Real bottomfeeders those NG 757s are, right?

Didn't the AeroClassics 757s use the NG mould?
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Real bottomfeeders those NG 757s are, right?

Didn't the AeroClassics 757s use the NG mould?
Yes. Although it looked like someone at the factory overfinished them before printing
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Tbh i just come on here to read posts about one of my favourite hobbies and to interact with other members about the same passion we share. I take the rough with the smooth, as everyone has opinions on what they like and some of us point out the negative issues attached with this hobby. Its part and parcel of an active forum. However i do get sick of the same negativity and anger that seems to always emanate from certain individuals! Its like enjoying a nice meal just to come across a foreign object in the food,very offputting!!
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I have been collecting 1/400 scale models since 1998 and have purchased at least one unit from all the manufactures that are currently on the market plus those who have come and gone. My first 2 models where AC001 and GJVA002 and both where excellent of the time. I never felt the urge to compare them for their pros and cons and that remains the case to the present day. Over the years the models have improved significantly with manufactures adding more and more details to achieve greater accuracy but I’ve never felt the desire, or need, to express criticism about any of them. Yes there are differences on similar models by different manufactures but you make your choice and buy the one you prefer, and sometimes you think perhaps the alternative would have been better, but I’ve never got hot and bothered about.
In my eyes all manufactures, in their own way, make good models and I’m happy to buy them if they meet my collecting criteria. Ok, some have arrived on my doorstep with parts fallen off but superglue can usually put things right. Those that are beyond home repair or have paint defects are easily replaced by the the retailer under consumer rights legislation.
In conclusion I’m always pleased to see folk sharing pictures of models they like and have bought to add their collections. When I read posts of complaint that are about, what I consider to be, minor issues I read them with interest but just ignore them when it comes to deciding which model I want to buy.
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Not unexpected! GJ is much better than NG. It's not even close! GJ also has much more fair pricing, considering they are the original, and the other is a bottomfeeder.
You’re so funny and hypocrite... you’re the one who gets their 757 mould!
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Today a box from DARON appeared on my front porch, and I knew that my newest GJ model had arrived.
Based on all the rhetoric and vitriol I've been reading on this forum, I was scared to open the box, however, I did anyways!

The beautiful model arrived in one piece, with all landing gear, tires, engines, wings and stabs attached! It's already in my display cabinet, right next to some nice AeroClassics of similar subject matter.
If you're talking about the IL-62M Interflug I fully agree. It's a wonderful model and it shows what Gemini Jets are capable of.

They have plenty of good moulds such as the Boeing 727, the Boeing 767, the Saab 340 or the ATR 42/72 just to name a few. I'd be happy to add more of them if they released more European airliners from the 1980s. I'd be over the moon if an LTU süd 767-300 saw the light of day.



It's GJ who got me into 1/400. My very first 1/400 model was their Boeing 747-400 British Airways "Rendezvous". I still treasure it.
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Andrew can’t admit he’s using a mould from a bottomfeeder
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It's GJ who got me into 1/400. My very first 1/400 model was their Boeing 747-400 British Airways "Rendezvous"....
I remember when the BA B744 "Rendezvous" model commanded some impressive prices on eBay.
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If we were to take the drama out of the fact driven world the original post and its adolescent follow ups would be the first to go.

What people want is models that most accurately look like their inspirations. Put out a good product and it will be judged and upheld as good or drive it’s owners broke. There’s nothing fun about spending your money on products that other make much better.
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If we were to take the drama out of the fact driven world the original post and its adolescent follow ups would be the first to go.

What people want is models that most accurately look like their inspirations. Put out a good product and it will be judged and upheld as good or drive it’s owners broke. There’s nothing fun about spending your money on products that other make much better.
Often we don't get a choice, specially when manufacturers refuse to or very rarely rerelease stuff, even on new moulds. That's one thing I actually like about Gemini. A retooled mould comes out and they rerelease, or at least change the reg on the model. I personally don't care about regs so for me it's a win win.

Just suck some can't see the value in that, but then again if they're using the same moulds since the last release I can understand why they wouldn't so any rereleases
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To those trying to bait my anger above bringing up the 757, it just proves you have nothing to stand on except your own anger.

The story of the 757 is that we were working on the 757 and found out some new company associated with the criminals behind Panda models was also working on it. In an attempt at raproachment, we agreed to permanently stop the 757 project in exchange for the purchase of 3000 blanks of their new 757. The amount we paid for those blanks was well above market value. The story they told about absolute no involvement or connection to Panda also proved to be a lie. Even when once confronted on this forum about their use of an A-321 mould derived from my stolen IP, they didn't even deny it. So forgive me if some of you don't like my attitude towards thieves and bottomfeeders, and those who go out of their way to pimp for them. If something similar happened to your hard work, you might not be so hypocritical to say that it doesn't really matter!!

That's all I will say on this matter. This thread was meant to diplay happiness about a GJ purchase, not to be, predictably, dragged into having to expose some of the frauds who are out there. Your posts above say it all!
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To those trying to bait my anger above bringing up the 757, it just proves you have nothing to stand on except your own anger.

The story of the 757 is that we were working on the 757 and found out some new company associated with the criminals behind Panda models was also working on it. In an attempt at raproachment, we agreed to permanently stop the 757 project in exchange for the purchase of 3000 blanks of their new 757. The amount we paid for those blanks was well above market value. The story they told about absolute no involvement or connection to Panda also proved to be a lie. Even when once confronted on this forum about their use of an A-321 mould derived from my stolen IP, they didn't even deny it. So forgive me if some of you don't like my attitude towards thieves and bottomfeeders, and those who go out of their way to pimp for them. If something similar happened to your hard work, you might not be so hypocritical to say that it doesn't really matter!!

That's all I will say on this matter. This thread was meant to diplay happiness about a GJ purchase, not to be, predictably, dragged into having to expose some of the frauds who are out there. Your posts above say it all!
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I totally understand your position. If this happened to me, I would be furious as well. I hope you can succeed in getting your production out of that place and move to somewhere that has some integrity....IF that even exists anymore.
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This thread was meant to diplay happiness about a GJ purchase, not to be, predictably, dragged into having to expose some of the frauds who are out there. Your posts above say it all!
Have a great day!
If that were the case, your post would have ended with the second paragraph. Your conclusion about this forum has what to do with a GJ purchase? How can we join you in commenting about your purchase if you don't even at least reveal what you got? A perfectly assembled DL CR9 would bring some confidence in GJ to those that purchased that product.

We are happy that you got a perfectly assembled GJ model. Is that the response you were looking for? No, that's where part 2 of your post about the forum comes in with the bait. Seems like the dragger is being reluctant about being dragged into something he himself is dragging others into?

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Back in the old days we'd call a thread like this clickbait.
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Here comes a good long paragraph, so take some time to read this carefully...

Dear Andrew, you say that the ones taking out the 757 mould dilema which apparently was bought to the “Panda criminals”, are the ones expressing anger. So, why would they express the anger? Perhaps it’s because you’re a person who can’t take a drop of realism, who instead of being nice, insults those who don’t follow you. Perhaps it’s also because your 1:400 brand hasn’t had an update for years, being your arguments for those un detailed and badly produced models that can’t have details like antennas “out of scale gimmicks” which aren’t even out of scale in the good manufacturers which care about their customers.

In relation to the 757 mould, I see some gaps in the story. You’re saying you bought blank 757s to a new manufacturer which was developing “fraudulently” a 757 mould (from NG I suppose??), so they stopped producing the mould, paying high quantities for these blanks. Besides the zero sense of this excuse, there’s something estrange, you’re saying you don’t like those bottomfeeders (Panda I assume, even though you also call NG bottomfeeders when they did nothing to you besides producing better models), but you bought to those “criminals” illegal clones of models (NG’s 757), then who’s the criminal? You just admitted to having bought an illegal model, which is obviously then a clone without antennas of the majestic NG 757! What a hypocrite... it would have been better to say you got the 757 from NG directly than from the people you call criminals. Plus don’t tell me you did it so they stopped the program, because that makes no sense and then it makes you the criminal...

You argument about integrity, but you acuse panda, which well you’ve you rights and certain arguments, but what about the rest? NG, for example, did nothing to you, actually you’re the one who did the thing to them apparently. Leaving that to a side, why would you not like NG in the first place? Because they reduce better models? Perhaps the one who needs integrity is you and not the people who tell you this. Because aside from you being hypocrite, you’re just showing that you don’t like someone better than you, and instead of improving, you’re just looking childish and disrespectful. The fact that people may follow you for what you were, is really nothing.

And after all, the thing here is not to talk about the 757 mould, it’s to show how annoying it is for people who respect, to be insulted by you without a single argument. Andrew, you lost all my respect since you proudly called me a retard when being objective about a color fault on a model you produced. Sometimes it’s better to recognize someone’s errors and try to be better, than just being a rude and annoying person no one wants to be with. I’m quite sure that if you could be open to people, open to feedback, and simply open minded to improve, you would will everyone’s respect. You don’t have to be perfect, but it’s key to be nice, this isn’t just about models...
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If this was a thread about happiness why then bring anything about the other guys who are “frauds” and stuff. This was a slap to whomever you have in mind, disguised as some expression of gratitude. That’s uncalled for.

It would have sufficed with hearing details about how good the product is. How good the service is and how well it fits in the collection. Anything else was useless in the purpose that the post was “meant” to be for.
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Here comes a good long paragraph, so take some time to read this carefully...

Dear Andrew, you say that the ones taking out the 757 mould dilema which apparently was bought to the “Panda criminals”, are the ones expressing anger. So, why would they express the anger? Perhaps it’s because you’re a person who can’t take a drop of realism, who instead of being nice, insults those who don’t follow you. Perhaps it’s also because your 1:400 brand hasn’t had an update for years, being your arguments for those un detailed and badly produced models that can’t have details like antennas “out of scale gimmicks” which aren’t even out of scale in the good manufacturers which care about their customers.

In relation to the 757 mould, I see some gaps in the story. You’re saying you bought blank 757s to a new manufacturer which was developing “fraudulently” a 757 mould (from NG I suppose??), so they stopped producing the mould, paying high quantities for these blanks. Besides the zero sense of this excuse, there’s something estrange, you’re saying you don’t like those bottomfeeders (Panda I assume, even though you also call NG bottomfeeders when they did nothing to you besides producing better models), but you bought to those “criminals” illegal clones of models (NG’s 757), then who’s the criminal? You just admitted to having bought an illegal model, which is obviously then a clone without antennas of the majestic NG 757! What a hypocrite... it would have been better to say you got the 757 from NG directly than from the people you call criminals. Plus don’t tell me you did it so they stopped the program, because that makes no sense and then it makes you the criminal...

You argument about integrity, but you acuse panda, which well you’ve you rights and certain arguments, but what about the rest? NG, for example, did nothing to you, actually you’re the one who did the thing to them apparently. Leaving that to a side, why would you not like NG in the first place? Because they reduce better models? Perhaps the one who needs integrity is you and not the people who tell you this. Because aside from you being hypocrite, you’re just showing that you don’t like someone better than you, and instead of improving, you’re just looking childish and disrespectful. The fact that people may follow you for what you were, is really nothing.

And after all, the thing here is not to talk about the 757 mould, it’s to show how annoying it is for people who respect, to be insulted by you without a single argument. Andrew, you lost all my respect since you proudly called me a retard when being objective about a color fault on a model you produced. Sometimes it’s better to recognize someone’s errors and try to be better, than just being a rude and annoying person no one wants to be with. I’m quite sure that if you could be open to people, open to feedback, and simply open minded to improve, you would will everyone’s respect. You don’t have to be perfect, but it’s key to be nice, this isn’t just about models...
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Today a box from DARON appeared on my front porch, and I knew that my newest GJ model had arrived.
Based on all the rhetoric and vitriol I've been reading on this forum, I was scared to open the box, however, I did anyways!

The beautiful model arrived in one piece, with all landing gear, tires, engines, wings and stabs attached! It's already in my display cabinet, right next to some nice AeroClassics of similar subject matter.

My conclusion is that this forum, and most of you NGbots and apologists who post here, are nothing but frauds, with an agenda to fulfill.

I would recommend, if asked, to any person serious about collecting models, to avoid this forum at all costs, and the reviews of some of the so-called experts. At the end of the day, they all have an agenda to pursue, which completely sucks the fun out of this hobby for the rest of us!

Happy collecting!
Seriously?

Honestly, it is merely understandable that such an insulting post is allowed to stand here for more 24 hours right now.

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For those that want to know why this thread hasn't been removed, as it may be one of the most controversial ones ever, let me explain.....

There are members here that are not too crazy about the topic author, this just gives them more reason to feel that way. He is fueling his own fire to which most people here disagree with and this case just making himself look worse. it bolsters their negative personal opinion of him even more but ironically I don't think it will affect the sales of his models too much.

For the others who are not offended, he has an issue with one company and evidently what they did to him so he is venting. I will go in and clean up his original thread as some of the language is not right while leaving the original as quoted texts in the other threads and most likely will lock it shortly.

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For those that want to know why this thread hasn't been removed, as it may be one of the most controversial ones ever, let me explain.....

There are members here that are not too crazy about the topic author, this just gives them more reason to feel that way. He is fueling his own fire to which most people here disagree with and this case just making himself look worse. it bolsters their negative personal opinion of him even more but ironically I don't think it will affect the sales of his models too much.

For the others who are not offended, he has an issue with one company and evidently what they did to him so he is venting. I will go in and clean up his original thread as some of the language is not right and most likely will lock it shortly.

FYI... for the few that are here from 15-20 years ago this was DAC all day long.
TBH as a newbie to this hobby I’m enjoying this and glad to see the different opinions. I’m glad that AC owner is here. These threads make DAC Great!
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FYI... for the few that are here from 15-20 years ago this was DAC all day long.
Hard to tell whether you look back at those days fondly or if you are wary that it's becoming like that again. Agree that both this thread and the FrenjaminBanklin thread about the DC-9 and C-5 have agendas. Forum rules don't say anything that prohibit agendas. But if the way it was 15 - 20 years ago is something that the mods would welcome, just announce it's open season. It most certainly seems AK is itching for it to be that way lately (odd that it's not that way at all at his home turf at 400SH, so quiet and peaceful). A sanctioned mud-slinging fest could be fun. Just be fair in the moderating to both manufacturing members and us lowly collectors.
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I added AK to my ignore member list a long time ago (and he is the only one on it), so I no longer see anything he writes unless someone includes it in a quote when responding to him.

Too much negativity in the world. Don't want to see it in a hobby forum that I come on here for joy. Some people just aren't learning lessons from COVID.

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Did anyone figure out what GJ plane AK added to his collection?
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Did anyone figure out what GJ plane AK added to his collection?
AK hasn't shown us pictures. But that doesn't seem to be the point of the thread. The point seems to be to yack about his grievance with NG that we all have heard about endlessly. For my part, I buy what I like from whatever manufacturer I want, and have gotten great stuff from multiple manufacturers, and some not great stuff. For their part, Aeroclassics has earned their position as a great of this hobby. They earned being the biggest chunk of my about-1100 collection.

Unlike AK, I will show pictures of my latest Gemini acquisition. I've got one more thing to try with the very-glued-in landing gear, and if that doesn't work, it's going back.

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My Delta Connection CRJ-900 arrived. The printing and colors are ok, and it's in one piece. But, it looks like it was assembled by a five-year-old. Maingear in the wrong way, horizontal stabs angling strongly upwards. Terrible QC!

Notice the crazy angle of the stabs--were they inserted upside down? And someone actually did use glue, so I can't get them out.


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I do not pay high prices for this crappy workmanship!

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For those that want to know why this thread hasn't been removed, as it may be one of the most controversial ones ever, let me explain.....

There are members here that are not too crazy about the topic author, this just gives them more reason to feel that way. He is fueling his own fire to which most people here disagree with and this case just making himself look worse. it bolsters their negative personal opinion of him even more but ironically I don't think it will affect the sales of his models too much.

For the others who are not offended, he has an issue with one company and evidently what they did to him so he is venting. I will go in and clean up his original thread as some of the language is not right while leaving the original as quoted texts in the other threads and most likely will lock it shortly.

FYI... for the few that are here from 15-20 years ago this was DAC all day long.
Still, I don’t consider myself to be part of a ‘DAC crowd’ - at least, no more or less than you, or Andrew, or Jet-X. Therefore, the renaming of this thread is still very much misleading. We are all part of the same forum, say the same crowd, but might have different opinions concerning several scale models - that’s the natural meaning of a meeting point where certain topics are being discussed.

I don’t really get it why you and the few others who don’t agree with (obviously) kind of a majority here try to denunciate other people‘s opinion.
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Hey Andrew, forgot to ask if you could please send me a coupon code via PM for your site so I can order a plane (I know you gotta big heart under that rough exterior). Would be kind of you since I've supported you from the very start...decaled planes with the screw in the bottom, which I still love! Appreciate it if you have time!
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I think a bigger problem is the T-tail, the stabs are pointing the wrong direction.
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...it's a new design...a Y-Tail!
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Not unexpected! GJ is much better than NG. It's not even close! GJ also has much more fair pricing, considering they are the original, and the other is a bottomfeeder.
But GJ molds for 777-300ER and 787 are crap. NG at least does not have that stupid wing cradle thing. I like the JCW 777-300ER, I don't have their 787's so won't comment, but I do not like the GJ 777 or 787 when every one else, JC, Phoenix, NG and from what I can tell AV 400 all make their molds without that silly toy like cradle.

I do not have issue with the A350's, I have NG, GJ and JCW and I think they are all pretty much neck and neck in terms of how good they all look, so no issues there.

My favorite commercial aircraft are 777-300ER, 777-9 and 787-9. I have no issues buying from GJ but the way they do the wing join and over flex the wing on the 787 I would prefer to get what in my opinion is a better version and so far I'm sticking with NG, JCW and now AV 400.
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To each their own I guess. I will never judge your collection; it's yours to enjoy.

I have my standards too, and a collection in excess of 5000 models. I have my standards too, and opinions, and will voice them from time to time when some collectors are being misled by people with an agenda!

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GJ is NOT streets ahead of NG, and to suggest otherwise certainly smacks of "agenda". Treating the collectorate (and some of us here having being reading this stuff for a long time) like idiots is also part of the problem. Some people on here come across as positively 'Trumpian' in their opinions at times, they say it, it must be true, they expect people to believe it.

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Al - didn't you know that the first rule of demagoguery is that if you repeat a lie three times, it will be taken as truth. Practiced all the time these days... Doug
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