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Old 04-22-2021, 12:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Since I posted yesterday about Jet Hut the story has moved on a little and the possibilities it now presents could represent a massive change in 400 scale if they were to be handled correctly. Imagine a new brand with access to over 30 decent moulds of a huge variety, selling models for $20 each. That appears to be what Jet Hut could be offering.

Of course it could all turn out to be nonsense, but from what I am being told it might, just might become a reality - or at least there is a possibility for it to do so.

And yes they have regional jets!

Read on to understand the potential I see this having:

https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/m...ini-connection

Jet Hut - The De Agostini Connection by Richard Stretton, on Flickr
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The nitpickers would have a field day with those. And no antennas? OMG! How could that be!!
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I think this brand is targeting entry-level collectors. There seems to be a lot of detail missing from these models. Some of those models look Schabak-like. Being used to the details included in models that go for around $50 USD, I don't see myself buying these models, however cheaper they are, to sit next to the NGs, ACs, and GJs.

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The nitpickers would have a field day with those. And no antennas? OMG! How could that be!!
Not if they were $20 each.

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I think this brand is targeting entry-level collectors. There seems to be a lot of detail missing from these models. Some of those models look Schabak-like. Being used to the details included in models that go for around $50 USD, I don't see myself buying these models, however cheaper they are, to sit next to the NGs, ACs, and GJs.

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None look like Schabaks that is nonsense. But you are right they aren't really aiming at collectors anyway. When the model costs 1/3 what a Gemini or NG costs then you need to set your expectations accordingly.

BUT..

The majority of them look pretty darn good. The 767, MD-11, MD-80, DC-8 and 787 look to be the same or better quality than the Gemini moulds of the same types.

The CV-880 is near indistinguishable from the Aeroclassics

The Saab, YS-11 and other regional types are as good or better than anything anyone else has made from what I see.

Only the DC-6, 777 and some of the 747s looks weak. If they did this correctly they could probably destroy the sales of some of the less advanced brands.
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I don´t see anything wrong here.
The geometry of the MD80/90s, the DC10, the 763 and even the 880 look pretty good. At least from those (granted: not overly good) pics. And i would take that 738 over any Phoenix release...
But let´s wait and see...
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When the model costs 1/3 what a Gemini or NG costs then you need to set your expectations accordingly.



The Saab, YS-11 and other regional types are as good or better than anything anyone else has made from what I see.
That's just it though. My expectations are set and I'd rather upgrade, not downgrade. I'm not buying $5 Matchbox aircraft with the expectation that it's going to look like a Matchbox. I think Jet Hut is great for the young current Matchbox collector that is willing to spend a little more for something better.

It's the landing gear of that Saab that really ruins it for me. The NW Airlink Saab that I have by GJ I think has the tiniest front landing gear in 1/400. Not sure what happened to that gear as I've noticed later GJ Saabs have larger big wheel tires in the front.

And yes, no antennas! Makes these look like AeroClassics.

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These moulds seem really nice. A350 and 777 could use reworking but there's nothing to complain about with the other ones except for the chunky gear. They all look solid to me. If JetHut makes something I want, I'll definitely consider them, especially if they're just $20!
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Richard, I wish Gemini would give you free models like the other company you are in bed with does...Suddenly your subtle jabs will change..Its becoming so obvious how prejudice you've become. Only your adolescent fan base follows you anymore anyway...Time to throw in the towel and grow up and spend more time away from toy airplanes..

Good news I know the folks at De Agostini, and you are slated to get free models from them too and your very informative interview on that kids video channel from a month ago is over 400 views now..
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Richard, I wish Gemini would give you free models like the other company you are in bed with does...Suddenly your subtle jabs will change..Its becoming so obvious how prejudice you've become. Only your adolescent fan base follows you anymore anyway...Time to throw in the towel and grow up and spend more time away from toy airplanes..

Good news I know the folks at De Agostini, and you are slated to get free models from them too and your very informative interview on that kids video channel from a month ago is over 400 views now..
Sigh. It would be harder to take jabs at Gemini if they weren't so incredibly unpleasant to everyone.

When Gemini do good things they get good reviews, but frankly the majority of their production is weak. This is not news to anyone. The same can be said for Phoenix too.

JC Wings have been a pleasure to deal with and have sent me several free models. I must be so biased to review them. Quite why you think companies sending people free models is a bad thing is beyond me. Can you actually pinpoint any time when I have been biased? No I bet you can't, but why not just sling ad hominem remarks around and threaten people? That's what Gemini are good at hey...

I'm so biased that I just gave that Air Lanka Tristar a really bad review. And by the way I bought that model from Waffle.
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Can you actually pinpoint any time when I have been biased?
Here you go....

"The majority of them look pretty darn good. The 767, MD-11, MD-80, DC-8 and 787 look to be the same or better quality than the Gemini moulds of the same types."

Your reviews have become irrelevant.
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Here you go....

"The majority of them look pretty darn good. The 767, MD-11, MD-80, DC-8 and 787 look to be the same or better quality than the Gemini moulds of the same types."

Your reviews have become irrelevant.
But they actually do look almost the same or better don't they. It is not bias it is objective fact, although I admit I haven't seen the JAL Collection moulds up close aside from the 787. The Gemini 787 and 767 have seams just like these moulds do. Take away the aerials and rolling gears and the moulds are about the same.

The Gemini DC-8 has always been rubbish and the MD-80 here actually looks better than the Gemini one.

Do you dispute that? Gemini has other stronger moulds, and I don't even dislike the Gemini 767, MD-11 or MD-80 but they are hardly worldbeaters are they? They are in reality old pre-2010 moulds that have seen better days but are perfectly ordinary.

I am sorry if that rational analysis upsets you. It is my opinion and one that I am pretty certain most people on this site agree with. I think you'll find it is Gemini that are increasingly irrelevant, which is why I rarely bother to talk about their models anymore.

As an aside are there any Gemini moulds that are still better than a competing mould of the same type from a different brand? That might make an interesting topic for discussion. None leap to mind.
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But they actually do look almost the same or better don't they. It is not bias it is objective fact, although I admit I haven't seen the JAL Collection moulds up close aside from the 787. The Gemini 787 and 767 have seams just like these moulds do. Take away the aerials and rolling gears and the moulds are about the same.

The Gemini DC-8 has always been rubbish and the MD-80 here actually looks better than the Gemini one.

Do you dispute that? Gemini has other stronger moulds, and I don't even dislike the Gemini 767, MD-11 or MD-80 but they are hardly worldbeaters are they? They are in reality old pre-2010 moulds that have seen better days but are perfectly ordinary.

I am sorry if that rational analysis upsets you. It is my opinion and one that I am pretty certain most people on this site agree with. I think you'll find it is Gemini that are increasingly irrelevant, which is why I rarely bother to talk about their models anymore.

As an aside are there any Gemini moulds that are still better than a competing mould of the same type from a different brand? That might make an interesting topic for discussion. None leap to mind.
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As an aside are there any Gemini moulds that are still better than a competing mould of the same type from a different brand? That might make an interesting topic for discussion. None leap to mind.
No.... there are none...you win..I don't know how Gemini pulled it off for so long...In the future I know where I will be spending my hard earned money. JET HUT....
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But they actually do look almost the same or better don't they. It is not bias it is objective fact, although I admit I haven't seen the JAL Collection moulds up close aside from the 787. The Gemini 787 and 767 have seams just like these moulds do. Take away the aerials and rolling gears and the moulds are about the same.

The Gemini DC-8 has always been rubbish and the MD-80 here actually looks better than the Gemini one.

Do you dispute that? Gemini has other stronger moulds, and I don't even dislike the Gemini 767, MD-11 or MD-80 but they are hardly worldbeaters are they? They are in reality old pre-2010 moulds that have seen better days but are perfectly ordinary.

I am sorry if that rational analysis upsets you. It is my opinion and one that I am pretty certain most people on this site agree with. I think you'll find it is Gemini that are increasingly irrelevant, which is why I rarely bother to talk about their models anymore.

As an aside are there any Gemini moulds that are still better than a competing mould of the same type from a different brand? That might make an interesting topic for discussion. None leap to mind.
To be fair, I'd say that GJ has the best 722 mould, yes the nose is a tad too pointy, but apart from that and the cradle mount, it would be near perfect.
Probably the pick of the litter IMO.
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No.... there are none...you win..I don't know how Gemini pulled it off for so long...In the future I know where I will be spending my hard earned money. JET HUT....
If he wasn't receiving free models from the bottomfeeders and wannabees, I doubt he would have been tooting their horns for so long and giving them any credibility, especially, after knowing from the outset, that Panda got it's start through IP theft and other criminal behavior. I'd certainly wanted to have distanced myself from that!!!

I'm sure JET HUT will serve it's purpose, when the real collectors go buy their AC, GJ, JC, or PH, they can also pick up a few JH for Junior, so they don't ruin their new purchases!
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If he wasn't receiving free models from the bottomfeeders and wannabees, I doubt he would have been tooting their horns for so long and giving them any credibility, especially, after knowing from the outset, that Panda got it's start through IP theft and other criminal behavior. I'd certainly wanted to have distanced myself from that!!!

I'm sure JET HUT will serve it's purpose, when the real collectors go buy their AC, GJ, JC, or PH, they can also pick up a few JH for Junior, so they don't ruin their new purchases!
Andrew, at least give facts... JC gives free modes to Richard, NG just gives him news and mould samples with good contacts and not rude comments like you, plus Panda has zero contact with him... If you can’t live with that it’s better to shut up instead of looking like an incompetent man who can’t take competition or improve his products, and being his arguments very biased opinions...
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On a side note. I did some digging myself. I found this short stop-motion video that seems to show from another angle the DC-10 and MD-11 mould.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fVDs8mSgOI

The DC-8 as well?

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If he wasn't receiving free models from the bottomfeeders and wannabees, I doubt he would have been tooting their horns for so long and giving them any credibility, especially, after knowing from the outset, that Panda got it's start through IP theft and other criminal behavior. I'd certainly wanted to have distanced myself from that!!!

I'm sure JET HUT will serve it's purpose, when the real collectors go buy their AC, GJ, JC, or PH, they can also pick up a few JH for Junior, so they don't ruin their new purchases!
From what I've seen in his mould reviews he's very clear that Panda illegally used and cloned moulds.
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Richard, I wish Gemini would give you free models like the other company you are in bed with does...Suddenly your subtle jabs will change..Its becoming so obvious how prejudice you've become. Only your adolescent fan base follows you anymore anyway...Time to throw in the towel and grow up and spend more time away from toy airplanes..

Good news I know the folks at De Agostini, and you are slated to get free models from them too and your very informative interview on that kids video channel from a month ago is over 400 views now..
Am I detecting a hint of jealousy, the fact that you feel threatened by a company that makes toy models really shows how far your quality has gone.
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From what I've seen in his mould reviews he's very clear that Panda illegally used and cloned moulds.
It really doesn't matter that you clarify this. And the fact that Richard wrote nice reviews for AeroClassics models in the past doesn't matter either. It's a broken record that the mods don't feel like taking the needle off of. Maybe the mods can add a yawn emoji that we can all use. Or a stick beating a dead horse emoji.

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If he wasn't receiving free models from the bottomfeeders and wannabees, I doubt he would have been tooting their horns for so long and giving them any credibility, especially, after knowing from the outset, that Panda got it's start through IP theft and other criminal behavior. I'd certainly wanted to have distanced myself from that!!!

I'm sure JET HUT will serve it's purpose, when the real collectors go buy their AC, GJ, JC, or PH, they can also pick up a few JH for Junior, so they don't ruin their new purchases!

Andrew I remember the times you invited collectors to your factory !

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If he wasn't receiving free models from the bottomfeeders and wannabees, I doubt he would have been tooting their horns for so long and giving them any credibility, especially, after knowing from the outset, that Panda got it's start through IP theft and other criminal behavior. I'd certainly wanted to have distanced myself from that!!!

I'm sure JET HUT will serve it's purpose, when the real collectors go buy their AC, GJ, JC, or PH, they can also pick up a few JH for Junior, so they don't ruin their new purchases!

what I still don´t get is why Panda or NG having (which has been mentioned a few times now) commited IP theft needs to impact me as a consumer.

You are obviously the big dude behind aeroclassics, i got that now and they somehow stole your pot of gold, i got that too. And I understand the frustration it must induce. Still, i said this once: you do business in a country that is knowingly succeptible to bribery, counterfeiting and poor economic ethics. And you are hurting because people now buy their `?3$`* by the truck load. I can also understand this.

But why are you bothering (and excuse me if i´m wrong) those few active members on this forum by constantly pointing fingers in the most childish and unreflected way possible?

I don´t know if you or RStretton are right in this matter. But shouting and throwing tantrums rarely gets the message across...


Of my 60 ish models I own roughly 20 Aeroclassics, aerials or not, i don´t care. Simply because i buy those i want to buy because they LOOK like what they are supposed to look. Of those 60ish models i do not own a single GJ. Why? Because mould wise i think a lot of them don´t look like their real world counterpart. But i have different criteria than other people. Buy what the hoot you want but don´t bother others!
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Probably the pick of the litter IMO.
You are arguably correct here although when I scored them in detail the Aeroclassics won on points, and a lot of collectors prefer the Dragon mould.

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If he wasn't receiving free models from the bottomfeeders and wannabees, I doubt he would have been tooting their horns for so long and giving them any credibility, especially, after knowing from the outset, that Panda got it's start through IP theft and other criminal behavior. I'd certainly wanted to have distanced myself from that!!!

I'm sure JET HUT will serve it's purpose, when the real collectors go buy their AC, GJ, JC, or PH, they can also pick up a few JH for Junior, so they don't ruin their new purchases!
Andrew sigh this new vendetta you have formed is tiresome, especially when Gemini are trying to put you out of business! You have sent me free models yourself in the past, which have been appreciated. Thank you.

Just to be clear I have received free models at times from Aeroclassics, El Aviador, JC Wings and NG Models - companies that are interested in advertising their products, care what their customers think and getting honest reviews. Obviously I buy 95% of my models - I wish I didn't it is incredibly expensive given postage fees to NZ and the exchange rate.

It may surprise some to hear this but this is the way businesses have worked forever. Providing samples is hardly a new strategy or something for anyone to be ashamed of. The reason they send me stuff is because I have a track record of being trusted.

In relation to Jet Hut their products are not aimed at collectors, but from what I have seen they could easily fulfil a role in collector's collections.
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Am I detecting a hint of jealousy, the fact that you feel threatened by a company that makes toy models really shows how far your quality has gone.
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I think if JH tweaked their landing gear and made them more to scale they would be a significant threat to some of the 1:400 low hanging fruit that commands full collectors prices today. I very much hope they have access to those Soviet era moulds that made an appearance a few months back. For my money, the Yak-42 in particular is sorely needed after the Chaika debacle.
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Seems someone did not like my comment saying GJ and other brands are not far from selling toy-like models.
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I might be mistaken but... the tail of the MD-11 looks like being assembled of at least two parts (engine plus tail fin snap-fitted (maybe) on top of it). The 787 seeks to be quite interesting, and I am really interested in how and of what materials all the other moulds are actually made.
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For those who prefer Youtube check out my latest video which discusses Jet Hut's new approach and what they could achieve if the really do have access to the De Agostini mould catalogue:

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The Saab, YS-11 and other regional types are as good or better than anything anyone else has made from what I see.

That is a puzzling comment.
I am wondering if you ever had in your hand the GJ YS-11? I am pretty sure it is much better...far better!

Same goes for the Saab 340.

These cheap model have a market for sure but I don't think you can fairly compare any of them with any 1/400 brand.
The closest comparison is Schabak and yes, I agree, they are an improvement over them.
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That is a puzzling comment.
I am wondering if you ever had in your hand the GJ YS-11? I am pretty sure it is much better...far better!

Same goes for the Saab 340.

These cheap model have a market for sure but I don't think you can fairly compare any of them with any 1/400 brand.
The closest comparison is Schabak and yes, I agree, they are an improvement over them.
Puzzled?????...he and his cronies have an agenda.....with comments like that, no one can take his reviews serious...He has way to much time on his hands. Time for another interview R.S. Good news, lots of other kids unboxing youtube channels to choose from too!
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I don't see any credible defense of any of the other brand's moulds that are being compared to Jet Hut. Some seems to be treating the suggestion that JH might have decent moulds as ridiculous just because they are cheap. If you disagree do your own comparison or make some kind of point.

Antennas can be added inexpensively, and aren't even really part of the mould anyways as we can see with Aeroclassic's borrowed NG 757 blanks which don't have out of scale gimmicks. Same deal with rolling gears, not really part of the mould proper.
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I do wonder how far this range will go as De Agostini was producing a magazine and model depicting the history of Aeroflot. As far as I know, they made a Yak-42 and an IL-18 and that was all! Are they planning any more - Il-14, Tu-104, Tu-114 as I was hoping for or did they abandon the idea through poor sales? I am thinking this JAL series might be a bit too ambitious and may go the same way? I noted a JDA 727 which looked rather good.
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I really think that we are comparing here apples to oranges. Both are good but different.
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That is a puzzling comment.
I am wondering if you ever had in your hand the GJ YS-11? I am pretty sure it is much better...far better!

Same goes for the Saab 340.

I have both of the Gemini moulds and aside from the size of the nosegear I don't see dramatic inferiority. If you are 'pretty sure' then please put up some evidence. It really doesn't matter anyway because Gemini never use the YS-11 or Saab moulds do they?

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These cheap model have a market for sure but I don't think you can fairly compare any of them with any 1/400 brand.
The closest comparison is Schabak and yes, I agree, they are an improvement over them.
They are nothing like Schabak and that is coming from someone who owns 1700 of the 600 scale. The suggestion they are is insane.

They are only slightly inferior to Dragon Wings, Aeroclassics, Gemini Jets models, or any other brand's models from about 2005 in terms of printing quality and base construction.

They certainly could do with some improvements in some areas to bring the moulds up to the standard of a pre-2010 400 scale I agree but given the price and audience I think they fit the role fine.

Aside from the engine pylons, lack of rolling gear and lack of aerials the Jet Hut 787 is basically almost as good as the Gemini 787 still being used. The photos in my review illustrate that clearly.
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Puzzled?????...he and his cronies have an agenda.....with comments like that, no one can take his reviews serious...He has way to much time on his hands. Time for another interview R.S. Good news, lots of other kids unboxing youtube channels to choose from too!
You do sound jealous and childish. You have previously shown some restraint in terms of your connection to Gemini but your recent comments are getting very silly and calling into question your position as an admin.

I'm afraid for you plenty of people do take my reviews seriously whereas statements from Gemini are widely laughed at across the entire internet.

And I also might add that the kids you seem to dislike so much are a good chunk of the thing keeping Gemini in business. You ought to be working with them, not taking them for granted.
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It beggars belief why Gemini never made an Olympic Airways YS-11, as Olympic models sell very well.
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I am wondering if you ever had in your hand the GJ YS-11? I am pretty sure it is much better...far better!
Here we go Phillippe - my Piedmont Gemini YS-11 compared to the JAL Collection one. Aside from the nosegear size they look almost the same. What obvious inferiorities aside from the nosegear do you see?

I agree the gap between the Saabs is bigger but again it is mainly the landing gear and not the fuselage, engines or wings as far as the limited photos available seem to show.

Sadly I fear it is unlikely this mould will get used by either company for the Piedmont delivery colours that are missing.

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Here we go Phillippe - my Piedmont Gemini YS-11 compared to the JAL Collection one. Aside from the nosegear size they look almost the same. What obvious inferiorities aside from the nosegear do you see?

I agree the gap between the Saabs is bigger but again it is mainly the landing gear and not the fuselage, engines or wings as far as the limited photos available seem to show

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Hmm, now would that happen to be a clone of the Gemini mould?
New moulds take a long time to make and i am wondering if they have just changed a few things to make them different?
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Hmm, now would that happen to be a clone of the Gemini mould?
New moulds take a long time to make and i am wondering if they have just changed a few things to make them different?
I don't see any reason to think it is and in reality do they actually take a long time to make? I doubt it if you have the resources. Toy and model companies produce new accurate moulds all the time of things way more complicated than model aircraft. Besides the JAL Collection mags have been around for nearly 2 years.

But you thinking it might be a clone basically proves my point!
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As long as Jet Hut models feature oversized gear and Japanese liveries only, I won't buy. But when/if they start to produce European airliners in Dragon Wings or Gemini Jets quality I'll be getting on board.

IMHO aerials and rolling gear are nice features but not vital in 1/400.

However, what 1/400 needs is more than lower price tags. The distribution system leaves a lot to be desired. Even GJ models are harder to come by than in the early 2000s. What would really be a game changer is larger companies (re)joining the market, such as Dragon or Schuco.
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Moulds do not need to take a long time to make! As little as 50 days, depending on a variety of factors.
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As long as Jet Hut models feature oversized gear and Japanese liveries only, I won't buy. But when/if they start to produce European airliners in Dragon Wings or Gemini Jets quality I'll be getting on board.

IMHO aerials and rolling gear are nice features but not vital in 1/400.

However, what 1/400 needs is more than lower price tags. The distribution system leaves a lot to be desired. Even GJ models are harder to come by than in the early 2000s. What would really be a game changer is larger companies (re)joining the market, such as Dragon or Schuco.
Yep, just look at how Gemini has been treating their recent CRJ-900 releases, of which the Delta is being sold for ridiculous prices despite being a terribly made model for reasons pointed out in the GJ march thread
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These will never be $20 to collectors. The cost of raw materials not to mention shipping costs have shot through the roof the past few years, with the pandemic quadrupling shipping rates.

$20 maybe if a retailer is lucky wholesale direct. But to collectors? I think that’s wishful thinking. If they launch at a price that cheap, we’ll see how long it lasts to ensure it’s not just a publicity stunt.
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These will never be $20 to collectors. The cost of raw materials not to mention shipping costs have shot through the roof the past few years, with the pandemic quadrupling shipping rates.

$20 maybe if a retailer is lucky wholesale direct. But to collectors? I think that’s wishful thinking. If they launch at a price that cheap, we’ll see how long it lasts to ensure it’s not just a publicity stunt.
You might be correct it'll be interesting to see. I was told around 1/3 a NG model so I went with 1/3 of a typical 787 c.$60. I admit to some scepticism about the whole thing but who knows?
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I would be surprised if they went for less than $30 as I have not seen a single one on ebay below that.

I think I paid $40 for their Yak-42
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Reminds me of the good ole Schabak days...

Their 787 looks pretty ok.
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$20 maybe if a retailer is lucky wholesale direct. But to collectors? I think that’s wishful thinking. If they launch at a price that cheap, we’ll see how long it lasts to ensure it’s not just a publicity stunt.
no... the cost of raw materials is negligible and ship costs "skyrocketing" has virtually 0 impact on shipping models. Narrowness are still very cheap to ship even by fedex and heavies can be cheaply shipped as well.
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