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Old 05-24-2021, 08:41 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I've been stepping away from GJ recently, but gotta admit that that RJ B788 looks stunning! The fact that they're using the updated mould from JC makes me wanna grab one of those. Wish the occasional use of those updated moulds (787 & 777) would turn into a permanent thing.
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My Gemini April order arrived today. I got an American CRJ-900 and a New York Air MD-80.

For the second month in a row, the CRJ-900 maingear were glued in backwards. For a company that allegedly does not use glue, these gear are glued in good and tight. I won't be able to jiggle them out to reorient them.

GEMINI TEACH YOUR FRIGGING EMPLOYEES HOW TO GLUE IN CRJ-900 MAINGEAR IN THE CORRECT ORIENTATION!!!!

I'll be sending this model back. GET THIS PROBLEM (LITERALLY) STRAIGHTENED OUT!


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My Gemini April order arrived today. I got an American CRJ-900 and a New York Air MD-80.

For the second month in a row, the CRJ-900 maingear were glued in backwards.

GEMINI TEACH YOUR FRIGGING EMPLOYEES HOW TO GLUE IN CRJ-900 MAINGEAR IN THE CORRECT ORIENTATION!!!!

I'll be sending this model back. GET THIS PROBLEM (LITERALLY) STRAIGHTENED OUT!

Jim
I visited a major retailers Miami location yesterday and they did have two CRJ examples for sale. Both had reversed gear and unpainted winglets. Going to keep my AA CRJ700 as the only AA CRJ I have until gemini fixes its way. Did preorder the Skywest, will return it if it is showing any issues.
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My Gemini April order arrived today. I got an American CRJ-900 and a New York Air MD-80.

For the second month in a row, the CRJ-900 maingear were glued in backwards. For a company that allegedly does not use glue, these gear are glued in good and tight. I won't be able to jiggle them out to reorient them.

GEMINI TEACH YOUR FRIGGING EMPLOYEES HOW TO GLUE IN CRJ-900 MAINGEAR IN THE CORRECT ORIENTATION!!!!

I'll be sending this model back. GET THIS PROBLEM (LITERALLY) STRAIGHTENED OUT!

Pictures later. Need to head out soon.

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It's already horrible the first time, but the second time around - YOU CANT SEND MODELS YOU KNOW HAVE ISSUES to people who pay good money.

What are you thinking Gemini Jets?
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It's already horrible the first time, but the second time around - YOU CANT SEND MODELS YOU KNOW HAVE ISSUES to people who pay good money.

What are you thinking Gemini Jets?

Yes, this is something that should've been addressed as soon as it was discovered...
Very disappointing....
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At least you guys got your models, I got my two AA CRJs cancelled...
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At least you guys got your models, I got my two AA CRJs cancelled...
Sadly, you should probably be happy they were cancelled. Until Gemini gets this problem straightened out, no more CRJ-900's for me. I hope they don't doof up the gear on the Skywest CR7.

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New York Air MD-80. Really nice model. The starboard stab is angled somewhat upward, but I'll try to fix that. Beware--the nosegear is an Aeroclassics-style rolling gear with two tires and a little pin. They popped out almost immedately, but stuff on the table caught them. So be gentle setting it down!


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My Gemini April order arrived today. I got an American CRJ-900 and a New York Air MD-80.

For the second month in a row, the CRJ-900 maingear were glued in backwards. For a company that allegedly does not use glue, these gear are glued in good and tight. I won't be able to jiggle them out to reorient them.

GEMINI TEACH YOUR FRIGGING EMPLOYEES HOW TO GLUE IN CRJ-900 MAINGEAR IN THE CORRECT ORIENTATION!!!!

I'll be sending this model back. GET THIS PROBLEM (LITERALLY) STRAIGHTENED OUT!


Jim


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American Eagle (PSA Airlines) Bombardier CRJ-900 N561NN KCMH 02JAN15
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Honestly, what do we expect from the “as real as it gets” crew.

I understand that adjustments in a mould may take time and that is fine, but DELAY production and don’t send out crap and disappoint hundreds of collectors. There have been several models that I have wanted to get such as the jet2 757 and wizz a320 but they are on terrible moulds and I am not spending my hard earned money on sub par models.
I love Gemini jets, they are what got me into 1/400 and I am frustrated that they are ignorant to the quality of their models and refuse to update and make them better. It is no way to run a business and collectors should boycott them until the management gets their **** together as money seems to be the only language they understand...
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I'm not surprised they didn't bother fixing the issue. Why do it if people will buy it up anyway?
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I'm not surprised they didn't bother fixing the issue. Why do it if people will buy it up anyway?
Yep, the one Jim returned probably got snapped up 5 mins later after it was returned to the store.
Should've put it up on Ebay to at least gain a profit from someone stupid enough to pay for this 'model' that looks more like a toy.
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New York Air MD-80. Really nice model. The starboard stab is angled somewhat upward, but I'll try to fix that. Beware--the nosegear is an Aeroclassics-style rolling gear with two tires and a little pin. They popped out almost immedately, but stuff on the table caught them. So be gentle setting it down!
Hey Jim. Thanks for the pictures. It's interesting about the gears on this one. It's also interesting that Gemini have gone backwards and done away with the antennas they've been putting on their MD-80s. Looking at pictures of the 1/1 version, this aircraft had a few of them in places where Gemini has shown they are able to add them. This sort of feels like a model they've had made for a long while, sitting in bins and have waited for the right time to release it. Just an observation based on the lack of antennas and the older gears.
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Yep, the one Jim returned probably got snapped up 5 mins later after it was returned to the store.
Should've put it up on Ebay to at least gain a profit from someone stupid enough to pay for this 'model' that looks more like a toy.
The New York Air MD-80 seems to have a dent in its portside engine for me. Upon looking at the photo above that BWI-ROCman posted it looks like it is present there too which is unfortunate.

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What most collectors fail to realize is that this model was likely produced months ago, prior to the gear error being found on the Delta CRJ-900. Models for September are likely being assembled right now. 90-120 day lead times are pretty common.
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What most collectors fail to realize is that this model was likely produced months ago, prior to the gear error being found on the Delta CRJ-900. Models for September are likely being assembled right now. 90-120 day lead times are pretty common.
Never kenw that!... but if they're made months in advance, they would have made the delta crj 900's a month before the american, which would give them time to figure out, maybe
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Hey Jim. Thanks for the pictures. It's interesting about the gears on this one. It's also interesting that Gemini have gone backwards and done away with the antennas they've been putting on their MD-80s. Looking at pictures of the 1/1 version, this aircraft had a few of them in places where Gemini has shown they are able to add them. This sort of feels like a model they've had made for a long while, sitting in bins and have waited for the right time to release it. Just an observation based on the lack of antennas and the older gears.
You're welcome! Do you mean that the completed models themselves are older, or that these are old MD-80 castings that they just printed up in the New York Air livery? I hadn't noticed the lack of antennas. Either way, that seems like a plausible possibility to me.

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Hey Jim. Thanks for the pictures. It's interesting about the gears on this one. It's also interesting that Gemini have gone backwards and done away with the antennas they've been putting on their MD-80s. Looking at pictures of the 1/1 version, this aircraft had a few of them in places where Gemini has shown they are able to add them. This sort of feels like a model they've had made for a long while, sitting in bins and have waited for the right time to release it. Just an observation based on the lack of antennas and the older gears.
Thanks to both of you for the info.... I'm still waiting for mine. Looks like a good model.
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Increasingly it looks as though both Gemini and JC Wings make at least a portion of their models many months, and even years, ahead of their release, especially when multiple versions have similar liveries, and then leave them in their warehouse until they are announced and released.

The evidence for this is as follows:

a) The continuing and often intermittent release of old moulds - the 73G is a perfect example they produced several WN 73Gs on the old mould recently in between using the newer 73G mould. It also explains why they are still producing seamed 777s, 787s etc but sometimes use the new JC moulds too.

b) The continuation of errors across multiple releases like on these CRJs. If they were all made at the same, or near, the same time and nobody picked it up that is why they all have reverse maingear. This should obviously have been handled when it became obvious with the latest releases before postage but this is Gemini after all.

c) Models like this NY MD-80 not having aerials when a 2019 release of the MD80 did have them. Have these NY MD-80s been in the warehouse for over 2 years?

d) I have been told as much by sources I trust!

It also makes sense from a cost of production point of view to push out multiple similar versions of a livery at the same time and then spread the release across many years. Gemini have shown themselves to be very sensitive about production costs, which is no criticism after all any business will want to maximise profitability.

Unfortunately the result in this case is that Gemini is unable to pivot and change its products in the face of competition in an agile manner since they have this stock backlog they have to shift.
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Unfortunately the result in this case is that Gemini is unable to pivot and change its products in the face of competition in an agile manner since they have this stock backlog they have to shift.
If that indeed is Gemini's practice, that bad business practice--and refusing to correct demonstrably defective products is bad business practice, nothing less--means we should not trust any Gemini product until it arrives at the merchants. In any event, I'll need to wait til I see pictures or hear reports about the model, including the landing gear, before buying.

I will keep your posting in mind, and from now on not pre-order Gemini products, even at risk of losing a hot product. Prices on models go up and up, and we're supposed to accept shoddy QC because of "stock backlog?" What rot. No, that's not 'saving money.' That's ripping off your customers. If that's Gemini's practice....shame!

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Increasingly it looks as though both Gemini and JC Wings make at least a portion of their models many months, and even years, ahead of their release, especially when multiple versions have similar liveries, and then leave them in their warehouse until they are announced and released.

The evidence for this is as follows:

a) The continuing and often intermittent release of old moulds - the 73G is a perfect example they produced several WN 73Gs on the old mould recently in between using the newer 73G mould. It also explains why they are still producing seamed 777s, 787s etc but sometimes use the new JC moulds too.

b) The continuation of errors across multiple releases like on these CRJs. If they were all made at the same, or near, the same time and nobody picked it up that is why they all have reverse maingear. This should obviously have been handled when it became obvious with the latest releases before postage but this is Gemini after all.

c) Models like this NY MD-80 not having aerials when a 2019 release of the MD80 did have them. Have these NY MD-80s been in the warehouse for over 2 years?

d) I have been told as much by sources I trust!

It also makes sense from a cost of production point of view to push out multiple similar versions of a livery at the same time and then spread the release across many years. Gemini have shown themselves to be very sensitive about production costs, which is no criticism after all any business will want to maximise profitability.

Unfortunately the result in this case is that Gemini is unable to pivot and change its products in the face of competition in an agile manner since they have this stock backlog they have to shift.
Considering the lead time on new releases based on A/C that are fresh out of the paint shop, I don’t think it’s surprising that models are pre made and then released as needed. It makes me wonder what’s already been made and has been sitting on factory shelves.
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Mesprit, that is gawd awful re the engine crater! WTF!
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If that indeed is Gemini's practice, that bad business practice--and refusing to correct demonstrably defective products is bad business practice, nothing less--means we should not trust any Gemini product until it arrives at the merchants. In any event, I'll need to wait til I see pictures or hear reports about the model, including the landing gear, before buying.

I will keep your posting in mind, and from now on not pre-order Gemini products, even at risk of losing a hot product. Prices on models go up and up, and we're supposed to accept shoddy QC because of "stock backlog?" What rot. No, that's not 'saving money.' That's ripping off your customers. If that's Gemini's practice....shame!

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Couldn’t of said it any better myself mate. Pre ordering I think is stupid anyway, I like to see official photos before I even consider buying. That’s my standard for all model.
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If that indeed is Gemini's practice, that bad business practice--and refusing to correct demonstrably defective products is bad business practice, nothing less--means we should not trust any Gemini product until it arrives at the merchants. In any event, I'll need to wait til I see pictures or hear reports about the model, including the landing gear, before buying.

I will keep your posting in mind, and from now on not pre-order Gemini products, even at risk of losing a hot product. Prices on models go up and up, and we're supposed to accept shoddy QC because of "stock backlog?" What rot. No, that's not 'saving money.' That's ripping off your customers. If that's Gemini's practice....shame!

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To make it clear I can't comment on the QC side of things and I'm not trying to knock Gemini here. I don't know if they 'refused to correct things' and that wasn't what I was saying. I was just saying that the models were likely already put together when the issue was noticed.

I can see the logic to what they seem to be doing but the downside is it probably does impact their ability to meet competitive changes, which a 'just in time' approach would allow for.

I think it is good practice to not order models until photos are available regardless of the manufacturer. I'll be getting the NY Air MD-80 myself.
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To make it clear I can't comment on the QC side of things and I'm not trying to knock Gemini here. I don't know if they 'refused to correct things' and that wasn't what I was saying. I was just saying that the models were likely already put together when the issue was noticed.

I can see the logic to what they seem to be doing but the downside is it probably does impact their ability to meet competitive changes, which a 'just in time' approach would allow for.

I think it is good practice to not order models until photos are available regardless of the manufacturer. I'll be getting the NY Air MD-80 myself.
Thank you for further explanation! Sadly, it seems to me that it is indeed now good practice not to order until suitable photos are available, regardless of manufacturer. It does seem to me that if a company wants to 'manufacture ahead,' their QC people should be checking the product *at that time* before it is boxed up for storage. QC still needs to be done, at whatever stage of the process it falls. Defective products should not be getting shipped, in any event.

Once I get my New York Air MD-80's stab straightened out, it will become a proud denizen of my ROC section. I remember sitting in the ROC manager's office back in 1986 or so and seeing one land.

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Old 06-05-2021, 06:17 AM   #75 (permalink)
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Like I keep saying if ya not happy with your Gem Jets, send them straight back to the manufactures U.S base with the invoice and or proof of purchase (from) and ask for a refund. Then watch em move to get their QC uncontrol again!

Flood them back with all the defective models.
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Like I keep saying if ya not happy with your Gem Jets, send them straight back to the manufactures U.S base with the invoice and or proof of purchase (from) and ask for a refund. Then watch em move to get their QC uncontrol again!

Flood them back with all the defective models.
That won't work unfortunately as they will just be re-sell the model's a few hours later.
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No, they won't............and you've missed my point here!
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You're welcome! Do you mean that the completed models themselves are older, or that these are old MD-80 castings that they just printed up in the New York Air livery? I hadn't noticed the lack of antennas. Either way, that seems like a plausible possibility to me.

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Seems as though the topic is thoroughly vetted at this point, but yes, I meant that the castings were older. All that being said, it is still a nice looking little model and I too will be picking it up despite it's discussed deficiencies. It boils down to the ever important question: Who else will possibly make this? With Gemini being the only Mad Dog casting seeing regular use, it's sadly our only option for now. Hopefully some other player in the 1/400 game will take a chance on this family of aircraft. There are loads of possibilities!
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For further clarification, does anyone else here mind checking their NY MD-80 engines to see if either of them are dented like mine? Thanks.
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For further clarification, does anyone else here mind checking their NY MD-80 engines to see if either of them are dented like mine? Thanks.
I'll check mine when it gets here and let you know. Hopefully it'll be here early next week.
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My Gemini Jets New York Air MD-82 N805NY just arrived today

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Also after over 250 + Gemini models, this is my first "Gemini Kitz". Both wings detached when I removed it from the cradle... Then after i got those glued in place, the entire nose gear strut detached when I picked it up. At least the tires didn't pop off. I'm hoping that I put it back in the correct way.... we shall see. Mine also has the dent in the left engine, but it's not quite as noticeable as some of the photos I've seen.
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New York Air MD-80. Really nice model. The starboard stab is angled somewhat upward, but I'll try to fix that. Beware--the nosegear is an Aeroclassics-style rolling gear with two tires and a little pin. They popped out almost immedately, but stuff on the table caught them. So be gentle setting it down!


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Also on mine both stabilizers are in the correct position, so that's one less thing I had to fix.
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My Gemini April order arrived today. I got an American CRJ-900 and a New York Air MD-80.

For the second month in a row, the CRJ-900 maingear were glued in backwards. For a company that allegedly does not use glue, these gear are glued in good and tight. I won't be able to jiggle them out to reorient them.

GEMINI TEACH YOUR FRIGGING EMPLOYEES HOW TO GLUE IN CRJ-900 MAINGEAR IN THE CORRECT ORIENTATION!!!!

I'll be sending this model back. GET THIS PROBLEM (LITERALLY) STRAIGHTENED OUT!


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Got my American CR9 today, I did manage to remove the gear but haven't glue them back in the correct position yet. Taking my time to do this.
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It may be just me but when I looked at the gear it looks like flipping them around won't appreciably move the gear outboard at all
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My Gemini April order arrived today. I got an American CRJ-900 and a New York Air MD-80.

For the second month in a row, the CRJ-900 maingear were glued in backwards. For a company that allegedly does not use glue, these gear are glued in good and tight. I won't be able to jiggle them out to reorient them.

GEMINI TEACH YOUR FRIGGING EMPLOYEES HOW TO GLUE IN CRJ-900 MAINGEAR IN THE CORRECT ORIENTATION!!!!

I'll be sending this model back. GET THIS PROBLEM (LITERALLY) STRAIGHTENED OUT!


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It's hillarious, some retailer has the Delta CRJ-900 in stock with the exact same issues for fifty dollars.

I'd only buy it for 10 at most.
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I fixed my American CRJ-900.
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I fixed my American CRJ-900.
May I ask how you did it? Were yours not glued in very tightly?

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May I ask how you did it? Were yours not glued in very tightly?

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Yes they were not glued in very tightly.
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