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Old 03-31-2021, 07:17 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Looks about right to me....

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The first one is a 1011-200 and the NG is a -500. The 500 does not have a rear emergency exit.
Yeah, I know that, and I'm aware that the versions are different, but what I was trying to pull attention towards was the clear difference in the quality of printing. For example, the NG version of the Air Lanka logo is far more clear and sharp and close to accurate than the AC version. The aircraft should have a white stripe that runs from tip to tail of the vertical stabilizer as well. Aeroclassic's version doesn't stay the same thickness the whole way and there are also clear issues with the way the red chatline becomes the red field on the tail. Hope that clarifies.
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You can easily see the NG Gulf 1011s windowline sits slightly too high when you look at the rear emergency exit door which is sitting lower than the the pax doors.
I commend you for your honesty, and being brave enough to post it on this forum, where criticism of anything NG is not tolerated by the Pied Piper and his blind followers.
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If that is Dan Asher talking he makes a very important and valid point about how these things are made, and where. I met him once at the Gatwick Fair and was greeted with a very solid handshake and found him to be very much on the level. He also had great fashion sense and complimented the jacket I was wearing 😂

I’ve banged on about QC too and while it’s an important aspect we also have to be realistic, I think we’re pretty lucky to be getting what we’re getting to be honest. I know the prices have gone up so of course expectations will be raised as well. All the technology available today, micro-printing, 3D printing, laser scanning, etc. etc., so much is possible but this is mass production of little models, to factory workers they are toys. Got to give credit where credit’s due, NG have knocked out some pretty decent moulds and that has raised expectations, it raised mine too because their TriStar was simply awesome. So when NG drop the ball, it’s a really big deal because of the bar they lifted with the quality of the moulds and initial production. Now they have expanded so rapidly in a very short space of time, something will inevitably give. The frustrating part is consistency, and that is a very tough bugger to maintain. Look at the engines on the NG TriStar for example - the forward slant was corrected midway through production, so their previous releases are not consistent with newer releases. But they did listen and fix it, so that again raises expectations.

Remember this is China we’re talking about. I suspect that these homegrown companies within China have many significant advantages over the many foreign companies who manufacture over there and whom are registered overseas; this will create a degree of unfair competition and the homegrown manufacturers can probably get away with more. It’s the nature of the beast. Family/political connections to factories etc. etc. Then we occasionally see a bit of this dirty laundry spill out on DAC. As to how ethically these things are made - better that we not even go there. That issue will not be solved here.

There’s also way too much greed and instant gratification around these days. I am grateful for my NG’s, my Aeroclassics, my Gemini Jets, antenna or no. I take a step back and look at my modest 300-odd collection and think “this isn’t bad at all, as a kid I could only have dreamed of having models like these”.

We’re not doing too badly here.
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I've noticed that NG have fixed the wheel hubs on the Tristar by the looks of it on the pics! For those who weren't aware what the issue was, some of the wheel hubs on the Tristar were smooth whereas on the opposite landing gear they had the correct grooves. So if this is the case, then THANK YOU NG for fixing it!!
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I've noticed that NG have fixed the wheel hubs on the Tristar by the looks of it on the pics! For those who weren't aware what the issue was, some of the wheel hubs on the Tristar were smooth whereas on the opposite landing gear they had the correct grooves. So if this is the case, then THANK YOU NG for fixing it!!
i don´t know if this was a consistent problem or if it only was every other unit. I bought G-BLUS (Landor BA -500) a few weeks ago, which was a mid 2019 release and the hubs were installed correctly on this one.
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I commend you for your honesty, and being brave enough to post it on this forum, where criticism of anything NG is not tolerated by the Pied Piper and his blind followers.
Maybe the emergency exits really sits a little lower (at least you could have the impression), but still the windowline sits a little too high compared to the Air Lanka 1011.

It is the pax doors sitting too high, giving the impression of a too high windowline and a too low emergency exit
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I've noticed that NG have fixed the wheel hubs on the Tristar by the looks of it on the pics! For those who weren't aware what the issue was, some of the wheel hubs on the Tristar were smooth whereas on the opposite landing gear they had the correct grooves. So if this is the case, then THANK YOU NG for fixing it!!
i don´t know if this was a consistent problem or if it only was every other unit. I bought G-BLUS (Landor BA -500) a few weeks ago, which was a mid 2019 release and the hubs were installed correctly on this one.
I think it was just random. The detail was only on one side of the part, if they have now added the detail on both sides of the hub then that solves the problem.
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I think it was just random. The detail was only on one side of the part, if they have now added the detail on both sides of the hub then that solves the problem.
I think it might have been as easy as telling the people assembling it to stick it on the axle so that the detailed side faces outwards.
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I commend you for your honesty, and being brave enough to post it on this forum, where criticism of anything NG is not tolerated by the Pied Piper and his blind followers.
There has been criticism here to be fair, just look at the Iran Air SP thread, lots of nit-picking there about colour etc. etc. That one really went through the wringer. I think there’s been a fair few observations about NG’s QC/accuracy of late. That Iran Air release also had major QC issues (gouges in the fuselage) and some collectors had to send theirs back. NG promised replacements - did that ever happen? Never heard anything more about that. The SAA release copped some criticism too.
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I think it was just random. The detail was only on one side of the part, if they have now added the detail on both sides of the hub then that solves the problem.
I think it might have been as easy as telling the people assembling it to stick it on the axle so that the detailed side faces outwards.
No way that can be kept up consistently, and that’s exactly what we’ve seen. You’re not going to stand behind each worker and it’s such a tiny part. Unless you have the entire factory equiped with AI. I’m amazed they got as many out with those parts fitted the right way round, but your not going to catch them all. Getting the detail on both sides is the solution.

I’ve heard the term “Friday run” used - last day before the weekend, end of the week, let's bang these out quickly and get it done. Those are the batches with QC issues!
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No way that can be kept up consistently, and that’s exactly what we’ve seen. You’re not going to stand behind each worker and it’s such a tiny part. Unless you have the entire factory equiped with AI. I’m amazed they got as many out with those parts fitted the right way round, but your not going to catch them all. Getting the detail on both sides is the solution.


I’ve heard the term “Friday run” used - last day before the weekend, end of the week, let's bang these out quickly and get it done. Those are the batches with QC issues!
well, just like me on fridays!

detailing both sides sounds reasonable because it wouldn´t really take much effort...
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detailing both sides sounds reasonable because it wouldn´t really take much effort...
Haha, yep same here especially after a few pints! (A pint in a pub...now there’s a long distant memory...) 🍻🍻

No, it wouldn’t - it’s more than likely a 3D printed part, so just update the CAD and bob’s your uncle 😊✈️👍
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So, here we have the predictable carnival sideshow featuring New Generation Models, and AeroClassics. All model makers produce good stuff, but not without the occasional near miss to one degree or another. But what I see here, is AeroClassics taking cheap shots at a real competitor, with that contender, NGM, taking the high ground, and not digging in the mud like AC, and at least maintaining a dialog with its customers. I wish I had the diplomacy of barison82, but I don't. Sometimes I just can't stand the stink of AeroClassics. Doug

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To Whom It May Concern. If NGM is operating unethically, stealing personnel and technology, either provide fuller discussions, or leave it. Vague innuendos do nothing more than pique interest, and leave the accuser in a weakened position. Outta here, Doug
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I commend you for your honesty, and being brave enough to post it on this forum, where criticism of anything NG is not tolerated by the Pied Piper and his blind followers.
Oh come on Andrew, that's total BS and you know it. The amount of NG criticism on this forum is just as common as those that get down on their knees for NG.

Every manufacturer has their strong points and weak spots. This pissing contest is getting really old.
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So, here we have the predictable carnival sideshow featuring New Generation Models, AeroClassics, and Gemini Jets (if in fact, 'Dan' truly represents corporate GJ?). All model makers produce good stuff, but not without the occasional near miss to one degree or another. But what I see here, is AeroClassics and Gemini Jets taking cheap shots at a real competitor, with that contender, NGM, taking the high ground, and not digging in the mud like the other two, and at least maintaining a dialog with its customers. I wish I had the diplomacy of barison82, but I don't. Sometimes I just can't stand the stink of AeroClassics and Gemini Jets. Doug
The current employees and management of Gemini Jets do not monitor and rarely post on this forum thus no comments posted are from Gemini Jets. That was a false statement. The posts in question were from the previous founder of Gemini Jets.
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Right, so it was Dan Asher but he no longer works for Gemini? Fair enough, although I doubt his views are out of synch with GJs.
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So, here we have the predictable carnival sideshow featuring New Generation Models, and AeroClassics. All model makers produce good stuff, but not without the occasional near miss to one degree or another. But what I see here, is AeroClassics taking cheap shots at a real competitor, with that contender, NGM, taking the high ground, and not digging in the mud like AC, and at least maintaining a dialog with its customers. I wish I had the diplomacy of barison82, but I don't. Sometimes I just can't stand the stink of AeroClassics. Doug
Not my fault if the truth stinks Doug. Most collectors are narrow and selfish, and they don't care if their prize model is the product of IP theft or industrial espionage. Perhaps if they were the victims of such, they would think differently. Perhaps you would too; you seem like a fair minded person, usually!
I guess it's our fault for doing business in China and trusting anyone over there.
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Not my fault if the truth stinks Doug. Most collectors are narrow and selfish, and they don't care if their prize model is the product of IP theft or industrial espionage. Perhaps if they were the victims of such, they would think differently. Perhaps you would too; you seem like a fair minded person, usually!
I guess it's our fault for doing business in China and trusting anyone over there.
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Ok, now I understand where a few of these strong opinions come from. You are probably right, but:
I bought these models in a legit way, the same way some people buy fireworks while knowing HOW, WHERE and by WHOM they are made. For me as a consumer this is my choice to make.

I´m not gonna open up the "how globalisation is bad"-can here but that´s what producing in so called "low wage countries" might gonna get you. Especially in china where just about everything gets copied. I understand it must be especially bitter when you get to read all those hymns of praise to NGs work. It´s a good thing that there seems to be a fare share of company reps here on the forum, but i think the insight we sometimes get here is little bit to much...

Have a nice weekend though...
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Hang on, I know Panda is/was guilty of cloning/stealing the Aeroclassics Airbus moulds, but what did NG ever do??
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that´s what i wanna know, if I am to concern myself with the morality issue of collecting diecast airplanes. clearly their moulds are not cast off existing ones...
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It has been suggested that they now share the same factory as Panda.
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i don´t know if this was a consistent problem or if it only was every other unit. I bought G-BLUS (Landor BA -500) a few weeks ago, which was a mid 2019 release and the hubs were installed correctly on this one.
Actually it's strange but true, they started the hub issue after the first few releases!!
The Hawaiin Air and G-BLUS both had the correct hubs on both sides. Why they went wrong after that i just dont know, but even Richard mentioned this several times in his model reviews!
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I tried really hard there 😂 That’s about the furthest I’ll go with dipping my feet into this political quagmire...fair play with your old-school, direct approach. You’re more like Captain Kirk, I’m more like Captain Picard (forgive the Star Trek analogy)
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Not my fault if the truth stinks Doug. Most collectors are narrow and selfish, and they don't care if their prize model is the product of IP theft or industrial espionage. Perhaps if they were the victims of such, they would think differently. Perhaps you would too; you seem like a fair minded person, usually!
I guess it's our fault for doing business in China and trusting anyone over there.
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So as has been suggested before, why not establish a factory in North America and cut out the copyright theft issue, or at least mitigate it ? What start up funding is available to establish such an operation and provide local employment opportunities ? Yeah sure it might add a couple of bucks to the cost of a model, but that's the way China is going now anyway. What price ethics and a better sleep at night ?
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The ironic thing here is that there's a legion of models in unmarked blue-colored boxes or untraceable brands doing the same thing with the poor airlines' IP.
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Hang on, I know Panda is/was guilty of cloning/stealing the Aeroclassics Airbus moulds, but what did NG ever do??
Easy - just observe the facts:

- NG is delivering excellent products and, still, is dedicated to their products and improves them.
- NG is offering a dialogue with collectors (customers) and gains much respect and appreciation.

All this is in strict contrast to some US American business busybodies who always want praise for the pure presence of their product - i.e. just because of the release of a product, and not because of quality, accuracy or what else.

All this can be observed again and again, this thread is just the most current playground.
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Actually it's strange but true, they started the hub issue after the first few releases!!
The Hawaiin Air and G-BLUS both had the correct hubs on both sides. Why they went wrong after that i just dont know, but even Richard mentioned this several times in his model reviews!

It is not that they went wrong or anything! If there is a non-detailed hub, whoever assembled that gear set in the factory put the hub on backwards. I noticed this recently when one of the gears fell off my Fiji A330. I re-assembled and noticed the the detailed side of the hub was facing towards the gear strut and could not be seen. I have since gone through each of the models and gently pulled apart and re-assembled the hubs.
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It is not that they went wrong or anything! If there is a non-detailed hub, whoever assembled that gear set in the factory put the hub on backwards. I noticed this recently when one of the gears fell off my Fiji A330. I re-assembled and noticed the the detailed side of the hub was facing towards the gear strut and could not be seen. I have since gone through each of the models and gently pulled apart and re-assembled the hubs.
Wow you certainly have patience then! I looked at doing this and it seemed a little too tricky for me!
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So as has been suggested before, why not establish a factory in North America and cut out the copyright theft issue, or at least mitigate it ? What start up funding is available to establish such an operation and provide local employment opportunities ? Yeah sure it might add a couple of bucks to the cost of a model, but that's the way China is going now anyway. What price ethics and a better sleep at night ?
Hit the nail on the head there dude!!
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So as has been suggested before, why not establish a factory in North America and cut out the copyright theft issue, or at least mitigate it ? What start up funding is available to establish such an operation and provide local employment opportunities ? Yeah sure it might add a couple of bucks to the cost of a model, but that's the way China is going now anyway. What price ethics and a better sleep at night ?
I have been working on moving the operation out of China for the past 3+ years. Sadly the China Coronavirus put a halt on those efforts, not to mentioned, killed millions of people, and screwed up the world's economy and social order.
Chinese labor is not so cheap as some perceive, nor are their skills or dedication to their jobs. I hope to continue those efforts once freedom of movement has been restored to this world. I hope it can be accomplished before I die of old age! Cheers mate! Enjoy your weekend!!
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It has been suggested that they now share the same factory as Panda.
Richard, would you consider evidence of this the A321 mould NG have been using? It has a striking resemblance to the Aeroclassics version minus the 'gimmicks' including rolling/modern gears, and antenna. Could Aeroclassics be frustrated about that since they claim Panda have stollen/cloned/copied that mould and now share it with NG?
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Hang on, I know Panda is/was guilty of cloning/stealing the Aeroclassics Airbus moulds, but what did NG ever do??
Aside from working alongside Panda in the same factory, and poaching workers from AC and JC, there is a lot on Chinese social media of Panda accusing NG of stealing moulds from them too!! Now if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, what is?!!

While many, including myself, were pleased to see the new NG Ty-204, it's now troubling to learn that there is a competing version about ready to be launched. Since moulds don't appear overnight, I wonder if the efforts to produce the Ty-204 were indeed by their own research, or some backdoor industrial espionage? These types of questions need to be answered, because if the latter, the guilty parties need to be properly sorted. With all the different aircraft types out there, there starts to be a lot of coincidence with new mould releases, such as this Ty-204, the recent AC & NG L-1011s, and even going way back, the AC & Tucano Ty-154. The latter case was settled amicably.
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I have been working on moving the operation out of China for the past 3+ years. Sadly the China Coronavirus put a halt on those efforts, not to mentioned, killed millions of people, and screwed up the world's economy and social order.
Chinese labor is not so cheap as some perceive, nor are their skills or dedication to their jobs. I hope to continue those efforts once freedom of movement has been restored to this world. I hope it can be accomplished before I die of old age! Cheers mate! Enjoy your weekend!!
This would be ground braking in 1/400 scale and I sincerely hope you have the chance to see it all through. I regularly buy 2-5 AC models a month and it would be fascinating to witness American made models on all the superb AC moulds. All criticisms aside, I wish you all the very best in this endeavor.
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At least there‘s an honest conversation about things like that which I find quite healthy.
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Richard, would you consider evidence of this the A321 mould NG have been using? It has a striking resemblance to the Aeroclassics version minus the 'gimmicks' including rolling/modern gears, and antenna. Could Aeroclassics be frustrated about that since they claim Panda have stollen/cloned/copied that mould and now share it with NG?
No I would not. The NG A321 was made for HYJLwings way before the Panda version existed. They are not the same mould. Yes they look very similar but that is because they look almost 100% like an A321. If it was based off the Aeroclassics A321 I have no evidence of this and frankly unlike the AC one they have the correct wing for the sharkletted version so I doubt it was.

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At least there‘s an honest conversation about things like that which I find quite healthy.
The conversation is far from honest!
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I have been working on moving the operation out of China for the past 3+ years. Sadly the China Coronavirus put a halt on those efforts, not to mentioned, killed millions of people, and screwed up the world's economy and social order.
Chinese labor is not so cheap as some perceive, nor are their skills or dedication to their jobs. I hope to continue those efforts once freedom of movement has been restored to this world. I hope it can be accomplished before I die of old age! Cheers mate! Enjoy your weekend!!
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At least there‘s an honest conversation about things like that which I find quite healthy.
Really? I don't think anyone really knows or will ever know what's happened/happening in the world of diecast aircraft apart from those in charge of the companies themselves. All we ever get is snippets and insinuations derailing every goddamn thread involving NG. It's becoming tedious having to wade through all the same old nonsense to actually find the decent discussions regarding the models.
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Moving away from the current discussion, I so want that Pan Am SP!
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Moving away from the current discussion, I so want that Pan Am SP!
Hopefully these releases will be available very shortly. Then we can start another mud slinging match when the hints of for the next set of releases are announced
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Hopefully these releases will be available very shortly. Then we can start another mud slinging match when the hints of for the next set of releases are announced
Indeed. I already dropped enough $$$ on Gemini’s March releases though, so hoping they’re not stellar, but not terrible, either.

In addition I’ve seen the discussions about how the cockpit windows on the Pan Am were printed on wrong. I could easily point out JC’s release, which is far worse than NG’s, with its very wrong shape nose, even worse cockpit windows, it being on a cradle mold with a decently-sized seam, etc.. Someone else posted the two models side-by-side earlier in this thread, and I have to say, get the NG version while you can, or else you’ll be stuck with the JC
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Another awesome set! April here we come!
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Why is it so hard for the manufacturers to acknowledge the fact that every company has its strong and weak moulds and models?
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