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I think we all do agree NG is producing excellent moulds, but I think we all should give them a little rest to make sure they also do justice to these pieces of art in terms of printing accuracy. I am convinced the examples I picked out are exceptions, but still having a model with the windowline on two diffferent levels is extremely annoying - and not every retailer regards an issue like this worth taking the model back for refund.

I know I am not the type of collector with endless patience waiting for new releases (), and I understand people (including me) cannot wait for the new monthly NG releases, but for the sake of more accuracy I would tend to request less models if it helps - well not only me of course.

Other manufacturers have this issue aswell, but NG seems to be the one being most self-reflective on their products.
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I'm usually not the first out to defend NG models, HOWEVER your nitpicking is sickening, and completely takes the fun out of this hobby.
NOBODY is perfect, not NG, not AC, not GJ, not JC, not PH, not Herpa, and definitely not Panda, so if your expectations are beyond reasonable, go find another hobby.

Seriously!!

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I'm usually not the first out to defend NG models, HOWEVER your nitpicking is sickening, and completely takes the fun out of this hobby.
NOBODY is perfect, not NG, not AC, not GJ, not JC, not PH, not Herpa, and definitely not Panda, so if your expectations are beyond reasonable, go find another hobby.

Seriously!!

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Now THIS I can agree with you on. Nitpicking isnít fun and itís annoying at times.
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Do you even own the model? How can you judge it off of a stock photo without ever seeing it yourself, like Iíve seen Gemini, JC, NG, and AC initial photos that look as incorrect as this, if not more. You canít tell if itís off unless you buy the model for yourself, and 9/10 times, it looks fine
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Now THIS I can agree with you on. Nitpicking isnít fun and itís annoying at times.
...says the colorshade-nitpicker... wait until they release another Southwest 737 in the wrong shade of blue.

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Do you even own the model? How can you judge it off of a stock photo without ever seeing it yourself, like I’ve seen Gemini, JC, NG, and AC initial photos that look as incorrect as this, if not more. You can’t tell if it’s off unless you buy the model for yourself, and 9/10 times, it looks fine
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I do own the SIA 350. Maybe you should watch the threads more carefully, before being biased by others prejudices. ("oh, yeah, I knew you would come up with something like that sooner or later").
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I'm usually not the first out to defend NG models, HOWEVER your nitpicking is sickening, and completely takes the fun out of this hobby.
NOBODY is perfect, not NG, not AC, not GJ, not JC, not PH, not Herpa, and definitely not Panda, so if your expectations are beyond reasonable, go find another hobby.

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As I said, I appreciate NGs way to interact with the collectorate.- I think you should stop treating your customers (which we all are somehow) like being unable to make a difference between a good product and one which needs to be improved. By doing that you do not motivate anybody to buy Aeroclassic models. I own a couple of NG models, so I am able to judge they're doing a good job in general, and I am happy with ALL my NG models - Also the SIA 350. BUT: I see collectors handling their models wearing glowes in videos they're posting on Youtube - and you should be allowed to nitpick on each issue when a piece of metal is so valuable for some people that they wear gloves before touching it.
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As I said, I appreciate NGs way to interact with the collectorate.- I think you should stop treating your customers like being unable to make a difference between a good product and one which needs to be improved. I own a couple of NG models, so I am able to judge they're doing a good job in general, and I am happy with ALL my models - Also the SIA 350. BUT: I see collectors handling their models wearing glowes in videos they're posting on Youtube - and you should be allowed to nitpick in any way on a piece of metal when it is so valuable for some people that they wear gloves before touching it.
WTF???
Are you trying to be antagonizing? Everything you just wrote is a load of bollocks!!

Nitpick all you want; you're just one opinion, and quite frankly, an annoying one!!

Am I not interacting with the collectorate now???
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...says the colorshade-nitpicker... wait until they release another Southwest 737 in the wrong shade of blue.

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The only southwests that I remember were the wrong shade of anything were the aeroclassics southwest 727s (both). What's annoying is the most recent AC Southwest 727's shade was the correct shade for the release they did previously (the one with the weird southwest font, which was way too dark)
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what's wrong with the 2nd picture?
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...says the colorshade-nitpicker... wait until they release another Southwest 737 in the wrong shade of blue.

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Having a wrong shade of color is more significant than slightly misaligned passenger windows. While not super significant colors can be far more noticeable than what you pointed out.
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Having a wrong shade of color is more significant than slightly misaligned passenger windows. While not super significant colors can be far more noticeable than what you pointed out.
NOPE. All depending on the point of view. When you are an airline collector with a fetish for unique color shades then ok. But I look at the models as a whole.
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what's wrong with the 2nd picture?
The 2nd pic shows the same problem like the third pic aswell: the right cheatline sits lower than the left.
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I donít feel like the cheat line is any lower, I think the photos are just different angles
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You really ought to take the photo from the same perspective/level on both sides of that SIA A350 before making such accusations...
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I think we all do agree NG is producing excellent moulds, but I think we all should give them a little rest to make sure they also do justice to these pieces of art in terms of printing accuracy. I am convinced the examples I picked out are exceptions, but still having a model with the windowline on two diffferent levels is extremely annoying - and not every retailer regards an issue like this worth taking the model back for refund.

I know I am not the type of collector with endless patience waiting for new releases (), and I understand people (including me) cannot wait for the new monthly NG releases, but for the sake of more accuracy I would tend to request less models if it helps - well not only me of course.

Other manufacturers have this issue aswell, but NG seems to be the one being most self-reflective on their products.
Going back to this, the last row of the photos are taken from different perspectives. Besides, these decals are so gosh darn tiny itís nearly impossible to get it 100% perfect. You can get close, but not exact.

As for your color shades comment... while itís not too much of an issue, yes, if itís to a point where itís wildly off, or if they release multiple models and are unable to pick the correct or similarly correct shade, then my argument stands valid.
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I donít feel like the cheat line is any lower, I think the photos are just different angles
true, you can notice it in the distance between winglet and fuselage in each picture.
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true, you can notice it in the distance between winglet and fuselage in each picture.
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And to clarify things for Mr. Klein: It wasn't my intention to critisize NG in a negative way. This maybe is the way of criticism you do not get: it was meant CONSTRUCTIVELY. I like where NG is coming from, mainly delivering a superior product for an appropiate price and also rewarding collectors with obscure models they (maybe) wished for years, but not forgetting the mainstream market to not disappoint the basic collector. I am (and will most likely will always be) a happy NG collector - and will always be (as long as they are on the market - which doesn't mean I am not open for other brands too, but NG seems to be the one to be beaten.

So when I critisize NG constructively I think there is some hope that they take it seriously and work on the issues being mentioned (see 787 cockpit).
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People complaining about the HOT exhaust on the 350 engines...THAT I would call nitpicking. But each to his own, I am a nitpicker myself. Nitpicking keeps manufacturers being innovative and open minded - and not getting languish.
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I must confess I have no clue what any of those diagrams is supposed to show. The obvious thing to me seems to be that the line you drew is crooked, the windows look perfectly straight. Can't see anything wrong. Pictures are also taken at different angles. In real life I can't tell any difference nose to nose

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I own that SIA 350 - so I can confirm the picture shos the cheatline issue very well. Btw: there is nothing crooked. the difference between the lines I drew is just there because both sides of the model are photographed in two different angles. But is still shows that the chetline is higher on the Ųeft side.
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As a retailer I'd agree. But I own that SIA 350 - so I can confirm the picture shos the cheatline issue very well.
But both pictures were taken at different angles. It's hard to create a good argument if the evidence doesn't add up...
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But both pictures were taken at different angles. It's hard to create a good argument if the evidence doesn't add up...
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Do you see how the winglets are at a different position on the fuselage? the two pictures are at vastly different angles so any comparison is just nonsense
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Here's a photo of the delta model with a perfectly straight line across the windows. You can see that the line touches each window at exactly the same place. Same pixel even. Only different is the photo was taken straight on and not at an angle
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People complaining about the HOT exhaust on the 350 engines...THAT I would call nitpicking.
Seeing as how you decided to drag me into this.
Take your NG A350 and an NG 787 which I'm sure you have. Flip 'em over, look at the engine core casing and the exhaust centrebody. Notice the difference? Here's a clue, the 787 is right. The A350? Well, if you want to get all hot and bothered over the details that you do and yet feel this is insignificant that is your lookout and you are perfectly welcome to it. But kindly think twice before belittling other people's standards of acceptable detail, be it correct colours or cradle mounts or whatnot.

Finally, as a general observation, I'm guessing people are reacting negatively to you because you seem to express negativity in almost every other post you make. While this is doubtless not true in fact, it is all about perception. Tell me I'm wrong, sure. But what does everyone else think?
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Bruh, you have too much time on your hands if you can get every model you own, get a microscope and measure how much of a percent of a millimeter the windows are misplaced.
The other day, I received 5 models, took a quick look at them and put them in their places, to be admired together from a distance.
Yes, sometimes I give my favourite models a bit more close-up attention but I don't get out a ruler to measure every tiny detail!
Unless you have the eyesight of an eagle of course, I could barely notice anything different from the models, and I have 26/20 or 6/5 vision on my CASA medical certificate.
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Bruh, you have too much time on your hands if you can get every model you own, get a microscope and measure how much of a percent of a millimeter the windows are misplaced.
The other day, I received 5 models, took a quick look at them and put them in their places, to be admired together from a distance.
Yes, sometimes I give my favourite models a bit more close-up attention but I don't get out a ruler to measure every tiny detail!
Unless you have the eyesight of an eagle of course, I could barely notice anything different from the models, and I have 26/20 or 6/5 vision on my CASA medical certificate.
Quite well sums it up.
To me the OPs issue with the SIA is VERY obvious.
Would I notice it with the model in my hands? Maybe, maybe not, cause often enough I'd do it like you: unbox it, look at it briefly and place it on display where I'd only ever see one side.

Problem starts when pictures are taken and the model is inspected through those pics.
Talking about pictures: it doesn't have anything to do with different viewing angles here.

So why can't we just take this thread as feedback for NG to improve things? The problem seems to be a simple improper positioning of the tampo jigs - something that should be easy to look at at production level for future products.

Weird hobby where every criticism/feedback is considered nitpicking. But then at the same time everyone seems to be happy to see product improvements. Weird hobby..
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Bruh, you have too much time on your hands if you can get every model you own, get a microscope and measure how much of a percent of a millimeter the windows are misplaced.
The other day, I received 5 models, took a quick look at them and put them in their places, to be admired together from a distance.
Yes, sometimes I give my favourite models a bit more close-up attention but I don't get out a ruler to measure every tiny detail!
Unless you have the eyesight of an eagle of course, I could barely notice anything different from the models, and I have 26/20 or 6/5 vision on my CASA medical certificate.
Whilst I'm firmly in that camp as well, maybe being this obsessed with fine detail is how EC enjoys his hobby. It doesn't do anything for you or I, but it does for him, so I say fill your boots EC. The rest of us have the option to scroll on or say, I think you're being over critical, but good luck to you. I think some of the personal comments on this and other threads that are aimed his way are unfair, it's a discussion forum, if you want to discuss this fine detail with him go ahead, if you don't then fine, leave him be to do so with others that do.
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This brings me to a question, what do model manufacturers do when there is a printing error on a model and they deem it to be not satisfactory for sale?
Do they use some chemical to remove the paint, and then re-apply it?
NG have shown that they can put the details in the right place on their A350's or all their other aircraft, but the fact is that mistakes will happen, and if NG spent hours quality checking EVERY model with a micrometer prior to releasing it, (and it it was deemed to be unsatisfactory - re-apply the paint) it would either A: make the company bankrupt or B: make the models cost hundreds of dollars more than they are now due to increased human labour and manufacturing time/unit, and for me, I'd rather pay $70 per model with minuscule mistakes than $500 for a model with perfect printing.

Yes Alex, criticism is healthy, but you can come to a point where it becomes unrealistic. You need some balance.
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Seeing as how you decided to drag me into Finally, as a general observation, I'm guessing people are reacting negatively to you because you seem to express negativity in almost every other post you make. While this is doubtless not true in fact, it is all about perception. Tell me I'm wrong, sure. But what does everyone else think?
Really? I cannot remember posting threads like "look what I got" combined with "Oh, how awfull this model is!"... I also cannot remember reacting negatively on any NG monthly announcement.

But like you said: It is important what your priority is - for some it is colorshades for others cheatlines. But it seems like some people are unable to accept that.
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Yes Alex, criticism is healthy, but you can come to a point where it becomes unrealistic. You need some balance.
Well, there are people who are overly critical and there are those who don't care what they get for their money. A good balance I'd say.

This model has been sold into the market the way it is and nitpicking wont change it anymore, true.
Granted NG has a working QC department I'm sure this "issue" didn't pass by unnoted. Though it's perfectly ok that they gave it a go. Would have done the same if I'd be in charge - followed by an appropriate review of my process.
If it would have slipped through my QC I'd be more than happy to have "nitpickers" pointing me to such issues so that I could improve my product/process if feasible.

Or they might go the other way of "oh look, they buy my shiit no matter what I throw at them! Why should I improve?" That's why I'm not a friend of the anti-nitpicking.
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Old 02-05-2021, 05:49 AM   #35 (permalink)
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This brings me to a question, what do model manufacturers do when there is a printing error on a model and they deem it to be not satisfactory for sale?
Do they use some chemical to remove the paint, and then re-apply it?
NG have shown that they can put the details in the right place on their A350's or all their other aircraft, but the fact is that mistakes will happen, and if NG spent hours quality checking EVERY model with a micrometer prior to releasing it, (and it it was deemed to be unsatisfactory - re-apply the paint) it would either A: make the company bankrupt or B: make the models cost hundreds of dollars more than they are now due to increased human labour and manufacturing time/unit, and for me, I'd rather pay $70 per model with minuscule mistakes than $500 for a model with perfect printing.

Yes Alex, criticism is healthy, but you can come to a point where it becomes unrealistic. You need some balance.
I case of the SIA 350 it took me second to see the gap between the golden part of the cheatline and the wing on the left side plus the downleading cheatline part in the rear in front of the hirzonatl stab. So NGs quality control should be able to recognize that too. But as I also said: maybe the examples I picked above are the exception. This thread more was intended to be an encouragement to "keep up the good work". And a working QC is an essential part for being one of the leading manufacturers in the business.
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Bruh, you have too much time on your hands if you can get every model you own, get a microscope and measure how much of a percent of a millimeter the windows are misplaced.
The other day, I received 5 models, took a quick look at them and put them in their places, to be admired together from a distance.
Yes, sometimes I give my favourite models a bit more close-up attention but I don't get out a ruler to measure every tiny detail!
Unless you have the eyesight of an eagle of course, I could barely notice anything different from the models, and I have 26/20 or 6/5 vision on my CASA medical certificate.
Belive me I don't. Collecting for me a kind of a relief from everyday insanity.
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Belive me I don't. Collecting for me a kind of a relief from everyday insanity.
Exactly, collecting offers a relief from everyday insanity, but you're stressing over very small things, don't overthink it, it's just a model plane, look at the things positive (in this case 95%?) the manufacturer has done right and accept the negatives taking into account the perspective of the manufacturer and why these mistake may occur. And if there are multiple significant mistakes then that's a different story which would need to be addressed (eg like the bigbird KLM 747-200 PH-BUD).
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He's right, you can clearly see here the widnow line is not straight.
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He's right, you can clearly see here the widnow line is not straight.
Yes, there is a very obvious misalignment of the windowline. The photo clearly shows this since the line and the plane are at different angles.
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Yeah I agree wholeheartly - bashing the same people here over and over again is a lot of fun.

- boring and predictable quotes by some to show their questionable superiority trying to feel elevated in comparison to others here.
Its simply stupid to critisize a colorshade on a model and feeling to be in a different position than somebody critisizing somebody critisizing crooked cheatlines - It is exactly the same thing: it is nit-picking! Nothing more nothing less. Like me you live in your own world Skippy, but the difference between us both is that I never critized anybody for his critizism on any product - whatever the reason was/is.
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Yeah I agree wholeheartly - bashing the same people here over and over again is a lot of fun.

- boring and predictable quotes by some to show their questionable superiority trying to feel elevated in comparison to others here.
Its simply stupid to critisize a colorshade on a model and feeling to be in a different position than somebody critisizing somebody critisizing crooked cheatlines - It is exactly the same thing: it is nit-picking! Nothing more nothing less. Like me you live in your own world Skippy, but the difference between us both is that I never critized anybody for his critizism on any product - whatever the reason was/is.
Relax, you are free to make your point, and we are free not to agree with it. Let's get the conversation back to the models.
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It is not people like me taking the fun out of the hobby, it is people saying "oh, the nitpicker is back...get your popcorn and watch his poor attemts of getting the attention of the manufacturers." People like that make the manufacturers believe quality is no issue at all, and the collector buys everything, even when the mould is 10 or 15 years old. People like that prevent manufacturers from having a working QC and prevent them from any development or imrprovement of their products.

An THAT takes the fun out of the hobby.
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Relax, you are free to make your point, and we are free not to agree with it. Let's get the conversation back to the models.
No personal antipathy here - could be anyone here saying "I am a nitpicker, but your way of nitpicking is far more off than mine"...
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He's right, you can clearly see here the widnow line is not straight.


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I'm usually not the first out to defend NG models, HOWEVER your nitpicking is sickening, and completely takes the fun out of this hobby.
NOBODY is perfect, not NG, not AC, not GJ, not JC, not PH, not Herpa, and definitely not Panda, so if your expectations are beyond reasonable, go find another hobby.

Seriously!!

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Those videos where they use gloves are kind of hilarious. I have a Westjet model from 2006 that I handle several times a day and none of the markings have come off. And there used to be a time where it was the only Westjet plane I had so it had to perform all the flights into my airport. I hold all my models the same way, just in case the markings do come off, but unless I have nail polish remover on my fingers, they're safe
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That's it, this thread confirms the final nail in the coffin for ALL OF US. It's time to go back to collecting Schabak and Matchbox. At least they're also fully diecast and have rolling gear...
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