Developing new moulds that others don't even bother to improve is new and innovative for me. This is definitely a better option for those collectors (including me) who avoid other brands because of countless reasons...
That's the thing. I see new mould announcements and I do sometimes get disappointed but then I ask myself what could possibly be produced? I have zero interest in anything Soviet because they don't fit into my, and most collectors criteria. They're just neat to have I suppose.
Basically anything new that comes around someone else will already have released. The Gemini/JC 737 mould seems to be constantly changing because they keep messing up the nose. Least with NG they do a lot of fun releases, and does anyone else remember that Aeroclassics Air transat 737-800? What was up with that area poking out above the cockpit windows?
I expect them to release multiple Westjet's since there's a few different variations. One even has a little gun on the nosegear door because the tail number is 007.
The 736 is the most surprising and I know it probably won't make them as much as the other two variants will, but that's clearly where NG is at right now. They can afford to have less popular stuff because the more popular stuff will cover the cost of the new mould.
The only truly surprising mould anyone could come out with at this point is either 400 scale private jets, or a TU204. Everything else, even the TU134, wasn't really eye catching. And most of the others have ignored the shorter 737's anyways, so maybe this will cause them to start doing more releases again.
I think the Tu-204 is one of the more less likely russian moulds being developed. And from what I've seen here the interest in soviet airliners is given and IF NG plans a soviet mould I think they're smart enough to only produce as many units per model as needed on the market - if not less. A Tu-154 or Il-62 in NG standard would surely be a hotseller.
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That's the thing. I see new mould announcements and I do sometimes get disappointed but then I ask myself what could possibly be produced? I have zero interest in anything Soviet because they don't fit into my, and most collectors criteria. They're just neat to have I suppose.
Exactly. We will probably see a more varied range of liveries in these new/better moulds since NG is more likely to listen and accept requests from collectors.
Exactly. We will probably see a more varied range of liveries in these new/better moulds since NG is more likely to listen and accept requests from collectors.
Its the amount of 787s, 777s and 737s being sold making moulds like an Il-62 or Tu-154 possible and economically viable. So thumbs up for more "mainstream" airliner models - as they also offer some nice variation because most airlines using soviet built aircraft in the past now use western planes aswell.
I think the Tu-204 is one of the more less likely russian moulds being developed.
You say that but the fact the Tu-204 was operated quite recently in China by Air China Cargo probably puts it higher on the list than a new Il-62. I'd be happy with either - I'd love more Soviet metal and the 204 would be great.
Wikipedia says the -500 is 31.00m long and the -600 31.20m. i think using the same model fuselage will suffice
The extra few cm are due to the larger tailplanes on the -600. The fuselages are of the same length.
Still you can't really use it for both thanks to the slot-in wing design. The 2nd gen 737s had a different wing-body-fairing. A cradle mould design would probably have solved this.
After seeing these new moulds, my two cents for the other moulds are:
B787-8
A350-1000
A319/A320
A342/343
A330N
But lets hope there are more retros on the list somewhere in between....
I sure hope NOT!! But I'm afraid you could be right as it would be a logic consequence. Though that would be great for those who'd like them and also great for my wallet.
At least NG more or less confirmed the 747 moulds IIRC. I sure hope for a good 747Classics mould.
...and don't give up hope for a good 707-020/120/220/320/420, MD-80, 727-100/200, DC-9-10...
Come on NG! Time for NGClassics..
Yes, something really new and innovating!! Not! I'm so glad to see more deja-vu and repetition; saves me a lot of money not having to buy what I already have!! More money for GJ, JC, PH, & AC!!
Tell me something innovative you have done. At least they try to produce the best of the best...
Aeroclassics, for me, still produce stunning models that appeal to me far more than any other producers models. Maybe an exciting new mould is due? But to be fair, there ain't too many profit-yielding classics left for them to do.
I don't know the sales figures for different time-periods and different types, but I guess its true that modern twinjets sell more to today's hobbyists, and yes those sales may enable the production of occasional left-field airliners. If the majority of collectors are from the US (and I suspect they are given that Aeroclassics and GJ are from there), followed by Asia (home of NG, Panda, Phoenix etc), then I can understand why people perceive there is little demand for Russian stuff. But I think in Europe there is a large demand for Soviet stuff, but to quantify it overall, it may still be relatively low. Would still love a Tu114 and an An12, but I think a Tu204 is more likely from NG 'if' they do any Russian stuff. Andrew has already said Russian stuff sells poorly. Though I think the Tu134 has sold quite well.
Anyway, just my thoughts, for what little they are worth.
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I don't know the sales figures for different time-periods and different types, but I guess its true that modern twinjets sell more to today's hobbyists, and yes those sales may enable the production of occasional left-field airliners. If the majority of collectors are from the US (and I suspect they are given that Aeroclassics and GJ are from there), followed by Asia (home of NG, Panda, Phoenix etc), then I can understand why people perceive there is little demand for Russian stuff. But I think in Europe there is a large demand for Soviet stuff, but to quantify it overall, it may still be relatively low. Would still love a Tu114 and an An12, but I think a Tu204 is more likely from NG 'if' they do any Russian stuff. Andrew has already said Russian stuff sells poorly. Though I think the Tu134 has sold quite well.
Anyway, just my thoughts, for what little they are worth.
I am almost certain that Asia is the biggest market for 400 scale. Aeroclassics production numbers are small and Gemini sells a lot outside the collector sphere. You can see by the focus Phoenix, JC and AV400 have who rules the roost in terms of sales. The Chinese market alone is huge.
Having said that the issue is one of marketing not demand I feel. Indonesia and Taiwan don't seem to have any issues getting models made for their local markets but there is nobody in Europe getting 400 scale models made for the market that exists. Aeroclassics interest in Europe is quite limited as Andrew makes mainly models he wants to buy. The Asian based brands (aside from NG) struggle to bridge the cultural divide when it comes to European and N American releases. They tend to stick to Lufthansa and Easyjet.
Interesting thoughts Rich, and I expect you are right.
I think ACs do quite a lot of European stuff, and maybe the US market is not the size I thought it was compared to the Asian market.
I get the feeling (but may again be wrong) that the hobby started in Europe and USA, but the Asian giants (as with literally everything being manufactured) are the up and coming powerhouses.
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Maybe I would hope NG will reproduce B737-700 LN-TUI in Braathens Safe livery too. It isn't the beautiful classic Braathens Safe livery, but for this I would await B737-300/400/500 mould.
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the rest are less than 5oo odd to double figures.
So agree on 737-700 as loads of schemes.
But no 737-300. Most 1/400 737-300 produced were Aeroclassics which have said do not have the mould anymore. plus a few Dragonwings, Gemini, Herpa, Phoenix,Jet-x and Panda??
I think one of these NG should have been a good 737-300 mould.
Yes, something really new and innovating!! Not! I'm so glad to see more deja-vu and repetition; saves me a lot of money not having to buy what I already have!! More money for GJ, JC, PH, & AC!!
Because of all the 737-600/700/900 releases you guys have done recently
And the one 737 mold you have, the max, is one of the most revolting molds I’ve ever seen
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the rest are less than 5oo odd to double figures.
So agree on 737-700 as loads of schemes.
But no 737-300. Most 1/400 737-300 produced were Aeroclassics which have said do not have the mould anymore. plus a few Dragonwings, Gemini, Herpa, Phoenix,Jet-x and Panda??
I think one of these NG should have been a good 737-300 mould.
I hope NG get round to making moulds for the 737-300 and 737-400 (486 built)....so many great subjects waiting to be done!
Exactly. We will probably see a more varied range of liveries in these new/better moulds since NG is more likely to listen and accept requests from collectors.
I'm not so sure...its not a good business model with all those unsold obscure 757's the collectors requested sitting around..
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Because of all the 737-600/700/900 releases you guys have done recently
And the one 737 mold you have, the max, is one of the most revolting molds I’ve ever seen
That's the whole point genius! We avoided those models because they were already well represented and executed by GJ or JC.
We do the models nobody else does.
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Which ones are those ?
Without using names, the one who's warehouse is clogged up with them, or the other one who "gives them away" just to move them.
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Exactly. We will probably see a more varied range of liveries in these new/better moulds since NG is more likely to listen and accept requests from collectors.
You're absolutely right!! AC never accepts suggestions, nor has GJ!
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That's the whole point genius! We avoided those models because they were already well represented and executed by GJ or JC.
We do the models nobody else does.
Of course you have to do models no one else does because then everyone would buy from the other company. Because somehow every other company manages to put “out of scale gimmicks” or whatever you call them on their models and manage to get the paint right over half the time.
Without using names, the one who's warehouse is clogged up with them, or the other one who "gives them away" just to move them.
Well yes, but then again as we know, excess stocks are not unique to one manufacturer. We also know that new collectors come into the hobby seeking to buy older stocks that are still available over time. I'm sure everyone would love complete sell outs on every model, but then again diversity is to be lauded and niche products were never really supposed to be for mass consumption.
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Of course you have to do models no one else does because then everyone would buy from the other company. Because somehow every other company manages to put “out of scale gimmicks” or whatever you call them on their models and manage to get the paint right over half the time.
What a moronic statement! Lacks any logic or context. I'm sure you can do better.
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Of course you have to do models no one else does because then everyone would buy from the other company. Because somehow every other company manages to put “out of scale gimmicks” or whatever you call them on their models and manage to get the paint right over half the time.
What a moronic statement! Lacks any logic or context. I'm sure you can do better.
Seems like a perfectly reasonable statement to me. When AC start updating their moulds, listening to what collectors want other than just what you want and getting things right then maybe you will have an argument. Until then, don't criticise others when AC are falling so far behind. It's also quite funny that you criticise Panda for stealing moulds yet they have made it a hundred times better! How does that happen?
What a moronic statement! Lacks any logic or context. I'm sure you can do better.
I’m sure Aeroclassics could do better too, but after 20 years not a thing has changed, and in 2021, they use basically the same molds and printing. Listen, their called Next Generation models for a reason, AC can change too, I’m certain they can, like you said they make models no one else does, and that matters to collectors. But if you’re gonna be pumping out 1999 quality models for the foreseeable future, and lose it every time someone has any sort of criticism whatsoever, someone else will come along and do it better.
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That could be worth a million bucks! The inverted flying Jenny error postal stamp went for a million bucks at auction. If yours is the only one out of the production run that has the inverted engine error, hey, it might be worth a lot!!
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Will be interesting to see how my one turns out.
Reminds me of my only Dragon wings A32X is missing the windows on one side.
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I'm not so sure...its not a good business model with all those unsold obscure 757's the collectors requested sitting around..
Because maybe, they are doing it for the sake of their reputation and prefer to make collectors happy rather than having dollar signs in their eyes 24/7. Imagine if GJ did that? Furthermore, name me some of these "dozens of unsold obscure 757s"
Like you see in the movies where the Drug Lords have a unique specially made Gold 9mm pistol,maybe we could look at a model made out of pure Gold and then certain manufacturers can boast they make unique models.
Said with tongue in cheek before anyone takes this statement serious!!
I'll assume you weren't around the 1:400 world when certain manufacturers "treated" us to golden bling versions of their releases ? Mainly aimed at Asian markets it has to be said. (,Yes I know you meant pure gold).
Because maybe, they are doing it for the sake of their reputation and prefer to make collectors happy rather than having dollar signs in their eyes 24/7. Imagine if GJ did that? Furthermore, name me some of these "dozens of unsold obscure 757s"
Dollars signs in their eyes pay the royalty fees, dollar signs in their eyes pay the taxes and overhead on a huge warehouse. Dollar signs in their eyes pay the employees their salaries and their health benefits. Dollar signs in their eyes contribute to the US economy...
Collectors requesting a certain beloved model to a small chinese manufacturer cannot make those same claims..Now go and watch more Teletubbie reruns..
By the way Mr. Expert when Gemini first started they listened to the collector..some of that inventory the collector requested is still in the warehouse years later unsold..Collectors don't pay the bills..
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Corporate clients buying for events, customers and staff. I understand the approach Gemini takes nowadays. Unfortunately it often doesn't align very closely with collector's needs.
I think there is a third way between that of AC and GJ but it relies on flexibility, marketing, word of mouth, brand recognition and customer service - and does possibly also on being connected to and backed by the state to some degree. NG, and to a degree Panda too, seem to be finding their own path. Obviously many NG releases are made in smaller volumes than Gemini models but they seem able to sustain that.
Aeroclassics is around making models, NG is around making models. Obviously they are staying in business without taking Gemini's approach, however much inventory one or both may or may not have. How much inventory a company is or is not willing to tolerate is not our concern.
So why collectors should not ask for lower-run-demand models, which these makers are free to make or not make, is not clear to me.
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And it's good to keep in mind that any official or unofficial representative of a company, or someone whose postings seem to align closely with the business model of a manufacturer, is only going to tell us exactly what information they want us to have, when they want us to have it.
Collectors here should keep these facts in mind. They should not worry about whether their collecting priorities align too closely with any one company's business model.
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And it's good to keep in mind that any official or unofficial representative of a company, or someone whose postings seem to align closely with the business model of a manufacturer, is only going to tell us exactly what information they want us to have, when they want us to have it.
Collectors here should keep these facts in mind. They should not worry about whether their collecting priorities align too closely with any one company's business model.
Jim
I basically come to these forums to see what's getting released, to join in with others to express my whiny-a$$ wishlists, and see other collectors' photos. If I see something I like, BOOM, pre-order!! If there's nothing to my liking, life still goes on. In the case of AeroClassics releases, I find out what I missed out on because the release announcements always come out while I'm at work.
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Dollars signs in their eyes pay the royalty fees, dollar signs in their eyes pay the taxes and overhead on a huge warehouse. Dollar signs in their eyes pay the employees their salaries and their health benefits. Dollar signs in their eyes contribute to the US economy...
Collectors requesting a certain beloved model to a small chinese manufacturer cannot make those same claims..Now go and watch more Teletubbie reruns..
By the way Mr. Expert when Gemini first started they listened to the collector..some of that inventory the collector requested is still in the warehouse years later unsold..Collectors don't pay the bills..
NG still seems to be getting by despite not having the same business strategy... Also, you didn't tell me what those "dozens of 757s" were. Also also, it's a disingenuous thing to say NG is suffering from 757 overstock when for the longest time the 757 was the only mould they had on offer.
Dollars signs in their eyes pay the royalty fees, dollar signs in their eyes pay the taxes and overhead on a huge warehouse. Dollar signs in their eyes pay the employees their salaries and their health benefits. Dollar signs in their eyes contribute to the US economy...
Collectors requesting a certain beloved model to a small chinese manufacturer cannot make those same claims..Now go and watch more Teletubbie reruns..
By the way Mr. Expert when Gemini first started they listened to the collector..some of that inventory the collector requested is still in the warehouse years later unsold..Collectors don't pay the bills..
So so much for “made for collectors by collectors”
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