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Old 01-05-2021, 04:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Was having a chat with BA2936 the other day about this and it appears to be the case that anything (not just models) purchased from overseas will now be subject to customs charges and 20% additional VAT and possibly an additional admin fee from the post office.

I just had a look on eBay at a load of old Gemini 757's posted by a Swiss vendor. And the VAT charges are listed plus an additional warning about the import fees. A 757 sized model from one of usual 'go to' Hong Kong dealers is going to be approximately £10 more expensive and then the aforementioned fees applied on top.

Those of us in the UK are now going to have to dig extra deep for our models and presumably local dealers are going to have to pass on their additional costs ? I've also heard that some EU based shops will no longer deal with UK orders as it's an admin nightmare. And before anyone asks, no I didn't vote for it.

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Noticed ebay listings in France & Germany state 20% vat applicable.
But then I believe they should not be including local taxes in the sale.
I am waiting to let things stabilise.
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this from transglobal website who I use to book packages to anywhere outside UK.




Until now, customs clearance has not been required when shipping goods between the UK and EU countries.



From 1st January 2021, however, a customs declaration will be required when sending goods from the UK to the EU, and vice versa.



So when you book your parcel delivery with us, there will be an extra step: you will need to fill out a packing list / customs invoice, detailing the itemised contents of your shipment, with the appropriate tariff codes for each.





my wife who is head postmistress at local PO, says they have started posting again. but there are 'significant' delays/backlog. but there is a hold from EU to UK.


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Shipments sent between the UK and the EU will also be subject to customs duties and taxes, for which the receiver is liable to pay. When sending to the EU, goods valued above €22 will be subject to VAT. Goods valued more than €150 will be subject to customs duties.




and this.

now this is strange. just checked aviation megastore whom I have bought before. they have always listed models at a price. with a second price incl. 19% vat. on checkout you get charged higher price. and then postage is added. and no charges when it arrives.

so just did test purchase on a model.


Airbus A320neo Juneyao Air B-30FQ With Stand (Aviation 200 AV2029)
€ 0.00
€ 73.51
: incl. tax € 88.95
Save 6.3%

but when I went to checkout, the vat was removed!

1 Airbus A320neo Juneyao Air B-30FQ With Stand AV2029 AV2029 € 73.51 € 0.00 € 73.51
Sub total: € 73.51

Ship to address via UPS
€ 14.60

NL VAT 21,0%: € 0.00


Total: € 88.11

so presume I will have to pay 20% vat when it lands in u.k. is that 20% of total 88.11 euros, or price of actual model. 73.51 euros? and will there be import charges too? shouldn't be if limit is 135 euros.
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also heard apparently SCALEMODELSTORE is no longer shipping to uk anymore.




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You are right that there is a 20% charge now, companies in the EU have to register with HMRC if they wish to sell to UK people so that the correct VAT is charged and therefore paid. It is the buisinesses responsibility and removes the requirement for import duties to be done (seems backwards to me!) online marketplaces like Ebay, Amazon etc, the agent/handler has to charge and pay the 20% VAT meaning the seller on ebay doesn't have to worry about it, and then ebay add the extra 20% on top and pay that to HMRC. So shipping from people in the EU or the much liked HK sellers things are going to be more expensive!


The key thing though, is that this all come into effect as of 1st Jan for the UK, but this isnt a Brexit thing. The rest of the EU will be doing exactly the same for countries outside of the EU, they were supposed to be introducing this on Jan 1st also, but my understanding is this is being delayed by 6months. But this is all about making things a level playing field for businesses within the country of destination.
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Yes I heard that too. I have three models inbound from China since early December. Am I going to get hammered with additional duties now ? One to watch this...
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Yes I heard that too. I have three models inbound from China since early December. Am I going to get hammered with additional duties now ? One to watch this...

No, you should be fine

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I have just had two models delivered this month from Poland and France, neither with VAT or additional charges added. Perhaps this was because they were shipped before 31st December? What I don't understand is how can the Government levy import charges on second-hand goods? If you buy a second-hand model from a collector, not a dealer, that should not apply as the collector would not be registered for VAT so can't claim it back, unlike dealers. There is no discrimination between 'new' and 'second-hand'!!
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I have just had two models delivered this month from Poland and France, neither with VAT or additional charges added. Perhaps this was because they were shipped before 31st December? What I don't understand is how can the Government levy import charges on second-hand goods? If you buy a second-hand model from a collector, not a dealer, that should not apply as the collector would not be registered for VAT so can't claim it back, unlike dealers. There is no discrimination between 'new' and 'second-hand'!!
Yeah it's because they were purchased pre 31st Dec, It's not about levying import charges, that's what they are trying to stop, everything getting import charged. What they are doing is charging VAT on goods sold by businesses to people within the country. If you deal with people via market places its classified as the same thing. If you buy something direct off someone and they post you something then it's different as it's not a business to consumer transaction.
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I just had a look at ScaleModelStore on eBay and to purchase and ship to UK makes the new NG Air Transat TriStar the equivalent of £68.
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I just had a look at ScaleModelStore on eBay and to purchase and ship to UK makes the new NG Air Transat TriStar the equivalent of £68.


is that WITH the 20% added Al??? how much is it u.k?
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Not a big whizz kid on tax and all its dealings, but if models are coming from China why would the tax be so much more for the UK, now that we're not in the EU anymore? Why would we be any different to our Oz, American and Canadian friends? Someone pls explain!
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Not a big whizz kid on tax and all its dealings, but if models are coming from China why would the tax be so much more for the UK, now that we're not in the EU anymore? Why would we be any different to our Oz, American and Canadian friends? Someone pls explain!

Yeah I'm curious about this too. I often buy from Hong Kong, and I've never been charged customs for anything from there before, why would that change now?
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You are right that there is a 20% charge now, companies in the EU have to register with HMRC if they wish to sell to UK people so that the correct VAT is charged and therefore paid. It is the buisinesses responsibility and removes the requirement for import duties to be done (seems backwards to me!) online marketplaces like Ebay, Amazon etc, the agent/handler has to charge and pay the 20% VAT meaning the seller on ebay doesn't have to worry about it, and then ebay add the extra 20% on top and pay that to HMRC. So shipping from people in the EU or the much liked HK sellers things are going to be more expensive.
When products are bought from an OMP like Ebay from EU business, not per sé sellers, but businesses the price should not be "much more expensive" for Uk buyers than before.

Ebay instructed businesses who sell their products using their platform to add the VAT that is used in the country of which the business is selling from.
That VAT will be deducted when a UK based buyer buys a product from that seller and UK VAT will be added.

So in the case of buying products from Dutch businesses via Ebay, 21% NL VAT is deducted and 20% UK VAT is added. So no extra VAT is required when the product is delivered to the UK when using Ebay. The "only" extra costs will be some extra costs for shipping as the these costs went up due to extra (customs) handlings

Note, this is especially for purchases using Ebay (OMP) < 135.00 GBP value

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arcunia. on your website is dutch vat included??? I noticed aviation megastore now takes that OFF the invoice now. like I posted above. so does that mean 20% vat will be added when it lands in u.k? and if over £135 customs charge will be added?
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arcunia. on your website is dutch vat included??? I noticed aviation megastore now takes that OFF the invoice now. like I posted above. so does that mean 20% vat will be added when it lands in u.k? and if over £135 customs charge will be added?
That is the problem why many EU based businesses do not ship to the UK anymore. UK Gov requires that the UK VAT is added from point of sale, but that is not allowed to countries outside the EU.
We cannot add VAT to invoices and if the seller (we) have to pay UK VAT to HMRC which we cannot charge, how is that gonna work?

We do deduct NL VAT from our website, but we have also disabled the possibility for orders to the UK for less amount than 135 GBP for now. That's why we mentioned on our website to our UK customers to buy their models (less than 135 GBP value) using our Ebay store
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is that WITH the 20% added Al??? how much is it u.k?
Anything between £45 and £58 from a quick scout around, some are delivery included some not.
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Not a big whizz kid on tax and all its dealings, but if models are coming from China why would the tax be so much more for the UK, now that we're not in the EU anymore? Why would we be any different to our Oz, American and Canadian friends? Someone pls explain!
Yes there's no reason why Chinese or other non EU supplied goods should change, but bear in mind the UK Customs could in fact start targeting everything for duties, as part of the "level playing field" agreement with the EU. whereas much of it has gone through the system 'free of charge' in the past.

There is currently a huge back log on deliveries just now, and Hong Kong/China Post are not sending anything to the UK just now, keeping it all in storage. Similar to the experience in April when Covid was at its height. I waited nearly 3 months for an order back then and currently one month in, on 3 Hong Kong/China deliveries, all showing online for several weeks as "leaving the origin country".
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From a seller standpoint they now want me to register with the UK government, keep special track of my UK sales, submit taxes to them, and send them payments every 3 months. Incredibly onerous for just 1 international country.

Platforms like eBay may collect tax automatically but I could see many sellers opt to skip the headache entirely and avoid shipping to the UK.
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From a seller standpoint they now want me to register with the UK government, keep special track of my UK sales, submit taxes to them, and send them payments every 3 months. Incredibly onerous for just 1 international country.

Platforms like eBay may collect tax automatically but I could see many sellers opt to skip the headache entirely and avoid shipping to the UK.
Ai I understand it, you will have to do this for any EU member country once the EU introduces this ruling in June. It was to have been January but was postponed due to Covid.

This was an EU rule, the UK just went ahead with it in line with the EU plan and did not postpone.

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also heard apparently SCALEMODELSTORE is no longer shipping to uk anymore.






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they are now. BUT MINIMUM ORDER £160!!






Shipping costs to
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so for now will have to treat EU purchases like international. up to £39 no charge. £39-£135 + 20%. OVER £135, 20% + CUSTOMS CHARGE.
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so for now will have to treat EU purchases like international. up to £39 no charge. £39-£135 + 20%. OVER £135, 20% + CUSTOMS CHARGE.
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The scrapping of the UK £15 low-value consignment stock relief which exempts imports of goods (including from the rest of EU after Brexit) from VAT. Instead, for goods at £135 or below, sellers or their postal service have to declare and pay to HMRC via a new, quarterly filing, VAT charged at the point-of-sale.

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This article on the BBC website explains things a bit and shows a few case studies.

BBC News - Brexit parcel price shock: 'I had to pay £30 for a gift'
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Well my Christmas present finally arrived from my fav supplier in HK, a little late, NG's Boris One, lovely model and no extra charges, so was that because it was sent in early December, or it is still a lottery?

Can I afford to use him again, who knows, depends if the extra eBay charges ensure nothing extra gets tagged on when it lands in the UK. I'll be interested in your experiences...
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Well my Christmas present finally arrived from my fav supplier in HK, a little late, NG's Boris One, lovely model and no extra charges, so was that because it was sent in early December, or it is still a lottery?

Can I afford to use him again, who knows, depends if the extra eBay charges ensure nothing extra gets tagged on when it lands in the UK. I'll be interested in your experiences...
Mine arrived today too from (I presume) the same favourite Hong Kong dealer ? Interesting that a missing month of tracking info suddenly updated right away yesterday too. I emailed Hong Kong Post tracking services to ask where my parcel was a few days ago and they said they would not even entertain my enquiry until 6 months had passed !

Anyhow, speaking of our favourite dealer, you know he's got a web shop now and without eBay charges it's all a bit cheaper ? I ordered the three latest BA 757's from NG, mid January and got them here last week. No charges from customs either...
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Pleased yours have arrived as well, and no, I wasn't aware of his web shop. I've clearly missed a trick!
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Thanks :-)
Maybe I can still get the odd treat, and play the customs lottery!
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This will severely hit postal services in the UK and the EU, so they should sort this out between them.
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Thanks for the link - I was beginning to wonder if this guy had thrown in the towel as nothing new had been added to his ebay store for a while, except on his outlet arm "demographer_y"... this explains it! Hopefully this will keep the more affordable route open to us.
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