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Old 12-29-2020, 07:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Today NG Model have provided the photographs of the missing models from their November 2020 release. Noted in a post by Big Al that the SAA 747SP ZS-SPF will be released in limited numbers due a quality issue.

I'll post the December 2020 photographs shortly, so to the photographs -

53158 British Airways Boeing 752 G-BPEK Union Scheme with "Pause to Remember" titles.
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53159 British Airways Boeing 752/W G-BPEK Open Skies Scheme
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53160 British Airways Boeing 752 G-BMRB Union Scheme with RB211-535C Engines
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53161 La Compagnie Boeing 752/W F-HCIE
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07005 South African Airways Boeing 747SP ZS-SPF
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Not convinced by the SAA. Those titles are off and the blue "mask" looks really messy above the cockpit.

I have that feeling this orange wont fit into my mostly Aeroclassics collection (I'm NOT saying the AC is correct though)
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Not convinced by the SAA. Those titles are off and the blue "mask" looks really messy above the cockpit.

I have that feeling this orange wont fit into my mostly Aeroclassics collection (I'm NOT saying the AC is correct though)
Blimey Phantom II, you don't half have a 'glass half empty' point of view sometimes ! We already know that paint tones rarely match between different manufacturers. Look how many shades of grey there are across BA Landor releases, and often within the same manufacturer's range. If we're now at the stage where manufacturers are expected to use Aeroclassics as a benchmark for pantone accuracy and reference, we may have problems further down the line.
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IMHO this model looks very nice.

I find no issue with the titles. And the shade of orange might be a tad too red but I wouldn't overinterpret NG's oversaturated photos.
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Is it me or the blue of La Compagnie is pretty off without the metallic effect?
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Blimey Phantom II, you don't hald have a 'glass half empty' point of view sometimes ! We already know that paint tones rarely match between different manufacturers. Look how many shades of grey there are across BA Landor releases, and often within the same manufacturer's range. If we're now at the stage where manufacturers are expected to use Aeroclassics as a benchmark for pantone accuracy and reference, we may have problems further down the line.
My post wasn't meant to criticise NG for the colour in first place. I'd see AC at the opposite side of being suitable as a color benchmark. It's just that my SAA collection is mostly AC so that a match would be nice - unless of course NG knows the "correct" color which I doubt.
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Is it me or the blue of La Compagnie is pretty off without the metallic effect?
It needs to be metallic, that's what makes that livery so attractive. Let's hope it's just another case of flat photography.
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IMHO this model looks very nice.

I find no issue with the titles. And the shade of orange might be a tad too red but I wouldn't overinterpret NG's oversaturated photos.
The pics are indeed a bit on the saturated side, but then there's always the image with the box which gives a good hint. And while this partly could be blamed on metamerism, I'd prefer the box color.

Concerning the titles. Could be I looked once to often at an SAA airframe, but those letter spacings set me on alert.

NG also seems to have overlooked the lowest portion of the v.stab that was painted white on the real thing in order to "hide" the SPs aft fuselage curvature. I know this is nitpickin, but I'd have expected NG to nail that.
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Also not convinced by the SAA 747SP. Titles look ok, but I agree with the comment that the orange wont fit into my Aeroclassics collection.

I previously emailed NG wrt the orange colour, suggesting they look at Aeroclassics, so we will wait and see before buying. Besides the orange tail, the a/c looks great.
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Concerning the titles. Could be I looked once to often at an SAA airframe, but those letter spacings set me on alert.

NG also seems to have overlooked the lowest portion of the v.stab that was painted white on the real thing in order to "hide" the SPs aft fuselage curvature. I know this is nitpickin, but I'd have expected NG to nail that.
Your observation about the v.stab-bottom color is not nitpicking. It is indeed the sort of detail NG should be getting right. Herpa missed the white-painted bottom of the v.stab, too.

The titles should be a bit more 'squished' and the letters more tightly spaced.

In photos I looked at, the aircraft had a small black dot on the nose, which Herpa missed. It looks like NG missed it, too.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Sout...40TL8gVe4i7%2B

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Otherwise, things look good to me. I know NG's typically oversaturated photos make judging color difficult; at most the blue is somewhat too dark, but probably not badly so. The orangish-tan looks good, too. Nevertheless, I'll have to ponder whether this model is enough improvement on my Herpa to purchase.

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As far as I'm aware of, "as delivered" the radoms were blue, at least on the 244s and the initial SPs.
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As far as I'm aware of, "as delivered" the radoms were blue, at least on the 244s and the initial SPs.
If you find a photo, please share! I would rather be proven wrong than right. I searched Airliners.net, Flickr, and added Google, and the photos I looked at that had clear enough view of the nose to be sure, showed black radomes.

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As far as I'm aware of, "as delivered" the radoms were blue, at least on the 244s and the initial SPs.
Correct in that they were delivered in blue,but during the coarse of their flying careers they all had black noses. During their time in this scheme anyway.
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The pics are indeed a bit on the saturated side, but then there's always the image with the box which gives a good hint. And while this partly could be blamed on metamerism, I'd prefer the box color.

Concerning the titles. Could be I looked once to often at an SAA airframe, but those letter spacings set me on alert.

NG also seems to have overlooked the lowest portion of the v.stab that was painted white on the real thing in order to "hide" the SPs aft fuselage curvature. I know this is nitpickin, but I'd have expected NG to nail that.
I agree the v.stab should and must be corrected. That's an obvious flaw.

The spacing is a bit too wide indeed but as the font has been faithfully reproduced in general I consider that a minor issue. If it's going to be corrected the better.

From my personal experience with custom models I know that classic fonts and logos often must be manually turned into vector graphics or replaced with a very similar font. That's always tricky business.
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From my personal experience with custom models I know that classic fonts and logos often must be manually turned into vector graphics or replaced with a very similar font. That's always tricky business.
It were those very similar fonts that stopped me from buying aftermarket decals 20 years ago and doing them on my own. Often they were not similar enough for my taste.
For SAA's 1968/1971 font usually a (if at all) slightly tweaked Microgramma subtype font does the deal - in 1/400 anyways - if you don't screw the spacing, which is tricky indeed.
Funy enough I just finished a set of SAA 1960's lettering last week and it was quicker drawing them scratch than searching for something simmilar online.
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I looked at historical photos of the SAA 747SP and the orange doesn't seem off the mark to me, especially not as bad as Phoenix's recent Airbus house colors A300. I would be curious to see the La Compagnie 752 finish though, that metallic blue is critical to getting that livery right.
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the SAA titles do not look to bad:

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It were those very similar fonts that stopped me from buying aftermarket decals 20 years ago and doing them on my own. Often they were not similar enough for my taste.
For SAA's 1968/1971 font usually a (if at all) slightly tweaked Microgramma subtype font does the deal - in 1/400 anyways - if you don't screw the spacing, which is tricky indeed.
Funy enough I just finished a set of SAA 1960's lettering last week and it was quicker drawing them scratch than searching for something simmilar online.
Slightly off-topic: I design the decals myself, too, and have them printed professionally. I convert many logos and fonts using CorelDraw's vectorisation technique. But it's all 1/600 (and is supposed to look Schabak-esque) so the technique might not be perfect for lager scales.

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The SPs look good, been worth the waiting time.
My two cents on the SAA SP... the nosecone on the Qatar looks more accurate (as there is one window less on the front fuselage).
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the SAA titles do not look to bad:

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Are we looking at the same image?
The positions are ok, but the letters are just absolutely not formated to the correct width/height -> they are too narrow, resulting in a way too big spacing.
I mean, we are talking about NG which I thought would deliver a good product. Like I already said, the SAA font is out of the microgramma-family.

Take Microgramma extended and play a bit with those letters and you're there.
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Slightly off-topic: I design the decals myself, too, and have them printed professionally. I convert many logos and fonts using CorelDraw's vectorisation technique. But it's all 1/600 (and is supposed to look Schabak-esque) so the technique might not be perfect for lager scales.


Ahh, the old Schabaks. Very nice memories.

I too have a couple hundred of them somewhere - standard, no customs though. I'm not even sure where exactly.

True that concerning scale. I think it is save to say the effort and time to create artwork grows exponentially with scale. While it often is enough to vectorize some bmp to print some flecks of silver and red and call it emergency door markings on a 1/400, time consumption can get out of hand in 1/144.



Which printer are those decals printed on? I used a good old MD-1000 for most of my models, but I think its days are counted.
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Gotta say thank you very much to NG Model as the JetBlue A321neo is the first one sporting a new, much more detailed engine fan blades design!

The old one (below) on the Aer Lingus & Wizz Air was much shoddier.

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