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NG have posted some pics and info as regards the SAA 747SP release on their social media sites. Unfortunately it appears to be suffering QC issues and will only be released (for now) in limited supply. Further editions will be released in three months with a request to be patient.

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This baby finally come out after a long wait. However, because the quantity of qualified products did not meet the expectation, almost all retailers can not be fully supplied. Please wait patiently for the customers who will not received the products shortly. We will make up the remaining quantity to the retailers in March 2021. We apologize for this inconvenience. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
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NG Models take product quality seriously. Thumbs up!
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I'll take mine in March, please.
Hope they fix those titles till then!
Would you have some more pics of the nose please? Not really convinced by this picture.
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I'll take mine in March, please.
Hope they fix those titles till then!
Would you have some more pics of the nose please? Not really convinced by this picture.

As requested photograph that has not been included in the November 2020 missing model release thread just posted.
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I'll take mine in March, please.
Hope they fix those titles till then!
Would you have some more pics of the nose please? Not really convinced by this picture.
More pics are available on their Facebook page.
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Looks damn fine to me, but I guess there must be issues.
Strange, the orange colour looks perfect to my eyes.
Fair play to NG.
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Looks damn fine to me, but I guess there must be issues.
Strange, the orange colour looks perfect to my eyes.
Fair play to NG.
What they mean is that production didn't end up with enough models that passed QC criteria not that there are issues with the model in the photos.
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Unfortunately, there are issues with the model in the photos, as described in the November delayed photos thread.

I hope that NG's commitment to quality control means that they will correct the issues on this model on the delayed releases:

--Titles
--white 'even-ing' of the bottom of the 747SP v-stab
--Lack of black dot on the nose.

With those issues corrected, I'll spend the $60 to accompany (not replace ) my Herpa. I *love* NG and many of their models populate my collection. I don't enjoy sounding like the Grinch. But if we're paying this kind of money for new models nowadays, yes, I expect NG's highest detail standards.

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--Lack of black dot on the nose.

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Careful there. Like I said in the other thread, their 747s were delivered with blue radomes. I'm not at the computer right now where I have quite some pics collected which might show SPF as well, I know that SPE (built two months earlier) had a blue radome.
But I also know that just around this time SAA started to change in favour for black ones.
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Careful there. Like I said in the other thread, their 747s were delivered with blue radomes. I'm not at the computer right now where I have quite some pics collected which might show SPF as well, I know that SPE (built two months earlier) had a blue radome.
But I also know that just around this time SAA started to change in favour for black ones.
If you find a photo of -SPF with a blue dome, please let us know! I would rather be proven wrong than right. I searched Airliners.net, Flickr, and since added Google, and the photos I saw with a good enough view had little black radomes.

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Ok, couldn't find one clear so far, but wouldn't want to bet on this one having a black one:
SAA 747SP ZS-SPF 1977_035 by Rob Russell, auf Flickr


Anyways, since even its two months older sister Hantam still had it in blue, I wouldn't want to add this to the list of flaws.
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What they mean is that production didn't end up with enough models that passed QC criteria not that there are issues with the model in the photos.
Sorry Rich,

It was the discussion about the orange colour of the same model in posts 7, 9, and 14 on NG November Releases thread that struck me, then I saw the photo on this thread and thought it looked perfect.

It still looks damn good to me, but I get your point about the issues with individuals that didnt pass QC.

Very professional outfit. At last Aeroclassics have genuine competition.
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Ok, couldn't find one clear so far, but wouldn't want to bet on this one having a black one:

Anyways, since even its two months older sister Hantam still had it in blue, I wouldn't want to add this to the list of flaws.
Very well. I'll won't consider it a flaw. But I still think it would be better to have the back radome, given that photos taken in operation in 1978, 1979, and 1986 show it.

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Sorry Rich,

It was the discussion about the orange colour of the same model in posts 7, 9, and 14 on NG November Releases thread that struck me, then I saw the photo on this thread and thought it looked perfect.

It still looks damn good to me, but I get your point about the issues with individuals that didnt pass QC.

Very professional outfit. At last Aeroclassics have genuine competition.
We don't consider Deja-vu & repetitious releases as competition. Sorry!

I already have the Herpa & GJ renditions in my collection, and have no intention on replacing them for such a price tag! I'm very happy with what I already have!

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Don't have any of the previous renditions and the quality blows them out of the water in any case! Though might not get it as more so looking forward to the 747-100 and -200 , for a chance to get some remakes of the incredibly pricey big bird and Aeroclassics versions without paying up 100's of $. Not as big of a fan of the SP
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The NG Models 747SP will excel all other SP moulds, which are mediocre at best. That's crystal clear already.

As soon as Pan Am, Qantas, Luxair or TWA become available I'll jump on the bandwagon.
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As Ciderman/ FrenjaminBanklin correctly put it,it's a far superior rendition to anything that's appeared till now,so I'm very much satisfied with what I see. I would've snapped this SAA up, however I don't want two SP's of the same airline. So I'm hoping NG will release this version aswell at some point.
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I don't want two SP's of the same airline. So I'm hoping NG will release this version aswell at some point.

That IS the same airline
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Tris10&11 meant two models of the same airline in his collection.

I'd prefer an even later SAA scheme. The one with the white belly.

And for the first I now realise that this was their first scheme without the white area on the v-stab.
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That IS the same airline
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Tris10&11 meant two models of the same airline in his collection.

I'd prefer an even later SAA scheme. The one with the white belly.

And for the first I now realise that this was their first scheme without the white area on the v-stab.
Maybe NG can roll out both? The one with the silver belly also had black SAA titles whereas the white belly had blue,so both clearly very different!
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I'm guessing you mean not the same c/s ? None of you mentioned that so far...
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Well it's not the same colour scheme is it? Lol!
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I don’t see why NG couldn’t do the “SAA” variants as well as delivery c/s. They represent totally different eras as well. I’ll be going for this delivery version when released, it’s such a classic scheme and fills a gap in my collection.
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This is a pretty solid model imho. There are just two things which I woulkd like to see corrected.(of which one was already mentioned: the straight blue part ontop of the cockpit windows. and the placing of the "South African" tiles. One window less aft of the nosecone to make the seam of the cone in a 90 degree unpwards like on the Qatar AF1 .Should be no big deal for NG.

The distance of the letters of the aircrafts name could also be added as a very minor issue - no big deal for me as it should be barely visible one the model, even when you look pretty close.
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This is a pretty solid model imho. There are just two things which I woulkd like to see corrected.(of which one was already mentioned: the straight blue part ontop of the cockpit windows. and the placing of the "South African" tiles. One window less aft of the nosecone to make the seam of the cone in a 90 degree unpwards like on the Qatar AF1 .Should be no big deal for NG.

The distance of the letters of the aircrafts name could also be added as a very minor issue - no big deal for me as it should be barely visible one the model, even when you look pretty close.

Adjusting the placement of the titles wont help much. A more correct font and adjusted character spacing would do the trick.

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Btw... what it is that NOT a single SAA 1960/70's release got the colors of the IATA logo right? All models I see are either light or dark blue.

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Adjusting the placement of the titles wont help much. A more correct font and adjusted character spacing would do the trick.

Below is a quick edit for a rough reference.

Btw... what it is that NOT a single SAA 1960/70's release got the colors of the IATA logo right? All models I see are either light or dark blue.

Black on white please!!
Alex, we might be among the few nitpickers on this forum who appreciate the most accurate model. It's a small inaccuracy but it's fairly noticeable, much like the iconic Pan Am font. If willing, I imagine this wouldn't be too difficult of a custom job to correct the SAA titles.

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Imho thwsw problems will get solved.
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Same here. The Herpa SAA 747SP is a beauty and has a polished belly, unlike the expensive NG version.
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In the pictures NG's version appears to be polished, too. AFAIK only their latest Tristar has a spray painted belly.
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Same here. The Herpa SAA 747SP is a beauty and has a polished belly, unlike the expensive NG version.
Have you seen Aeroclassics recent prices for a 747?

https://www.aviationretaildirect.com...-varig-pp-vnb/
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Naa, pylons/engines look horrible and frontgear also.

I'll try to snap a few pics of both as soon as the NG arrives. Though I hope it'll be March and NG actually reads the comments.


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- review the "nose-art" (blue mask) - there's something I don't like there below radome - but would need better pics to really point a finger to
- adjust blue area around cockpit
- correct titles
- add the white lowest portion of the v.stab
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- radom as €collector pointed out
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- add a black dot to radome to make BWI-ROCman happy
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https://www.aviationretaildirect.com...-varig-pp-vnb/
Only gonna get worse once Brexit beds in. Either through customs paperwork, import duties or scarcity when certain dealers decide it's not worth the hassles anymore.
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I'll try to snap a few pics of both as soon as the NG arrives. Though I hope it'll be March and NG actually reads the comments.


The To-Do-List for NG:
- review the "nose-art" (blue mask) - there's something I don't like there below radome - but would need better pics to really point a finger to
- adjust blue area around cockpit
- correct titles
- add the white lowest portion of the v.stab
- IATA logo black/white
- radom as €collector pointed out
- window layout tweak at the nose
- add a black dot to radome to make BWI-ROCman happy

Seems to me, the radome is supposed to be entirely blue. NG's model has a white bit in its lower half.
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Naa, pylons/engines look horrible and frontgear also.
From the picture, it would seem that Herpa also got the painting wrong on the vertical fin/fuselage join.

For wha its worth, The NG looks really nice to me and will be my first SP in the collection when it finally comes out...
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We don't consider Deja-vu & repetitious releases as competition. Sorry!

I already have the Herpa & GJ renditions in my collection, and have no intention on replacing them for such a price tag! I'm very happy with what I already have!

Happy New Year to you all!!
There's always people trying to create an alternate world (they call it (their) "reality", of course) - so this isn't any news.

Herpa's 747SP lacks of several remarkable things (see posted details and pictures in the meantime (above)), and the NG model is outstanding - reads O-U-T-standing - and beyond everything released so far, pick an aspect you like - moulding, accuracy of details and added structures, paint job quality, paint design accuracy. It's not 100% the original aircraft but it comes much closer than anything else available. And this, by far - again, reads B-Y F-A-R.

That being said, such a loss due to production quality issues is a mess. But it is honest - and honorable - that NG does not simply flood the market by accepting those insufficiency (to a certain extent, the regular policy of many manufacturers in the past).

Congrats on taking your customers as serious business partners.
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Do the "I've already got this !" indignant voices still fail to realise that release schedules do not revolve around them, and that (big point) perhaps some collectors new to the game, may not have had a chance to purchase previous releases ?
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Sorry Rich,

It was the discussion about the orange colour of the same model in posts 7, 9, and 14 on NG November Releases thread that struck me, then I saw the photo on this thread and thought it looked perfect.

It still looks damn good to me, but I get your point about the issues with individuals that didnt pass QC.

Very professional outfit. At last Aeroclassics have genuine competition.
We don't consider Deja-vu & repetitious releases as competition. Sorry!

I already have the Herpa & GJ renditions in my collection, and have no intention on replacing them for such a price tag! I'm very happy with what I already have!

Happy New Year to you all!!
I mean they’ve been doing it for 3 years and already have better color match.

And have you seen the prices on your own 747s?
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Just got my Springbok today. Beautiful to my eyes
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Got mine in - absolutely incredible in person.
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Hold on a second, are there two different production runs of this one? I see in the NG official photos that the polished belly is painted silver. But this one looks like polished metal? I held off buying it as I did not like the painted belly look, but if it is indeed polished, then we're in business!

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Hold on a second, are there two different production runs of this one? I see in the NG official photos that the polished belly is painted silver. But this one looks like polished metal? I held off buying it as I did not like the painted belly look, but if it is indeed polished, then we're in business!

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The pictures actually look polished, but with the shine obliterated by post processing. Look at the photos again and see how the tone changes.

A painted belly wouldn't do that.
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Hold on a second, are there two different production runs of this one? I see in the NG official photos that the polished belly is painted silver. But this one looks like polished metal? I held off buying it as I did not like the painted belly look, but if it is indeed polished, then we're in business!

Great photos by the way!
If you place a polished fuselage on a plain white surface, what could it possibly reflect other than plain white?

I returned here from taking a break for about 10 years and am amazed to see manufacturers still failing big time in properly presenting their stuff. Geminijets withstanding, they do and always did a fairly good job with how they present their stuff.
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I am glad they fixed the nisecone issue. But still the blue triangle around the cockpit isnt atraight. ontop.
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If you place a polished fuselage on a plain white surface, what could it possibly reflect other than plain white?

I returned here from taking a break for about 10 years and am amazed to see manufacturers still failing big time in properly presenting their stuff. Geminijets withstanding, they do and always did a fairly good job with how they present their stuff.
As a side note for the latter, I don’t consider one single photo of the
product - always taken from the same angle and distance - a ‘good job with how they present their stuff’. At least, it’s not very much illustrating or making details and overall design obvious. But, finally, you need to have it in your hands for the ‘real experience’ anyway.
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As a side note for the latter, I don’t consider one single photo of the
product - always taken from the same angle and distance - a ‘good job with how they present their stuff’. At least, it’s not very much illustrating or making details and overall design obvious. But, finally, you need to have it in your hands for the ‘real experience’ anyway.

I was more talking about a sales/marketing point of view.
The way they are taken is the most appealing to the eye for various reasons (viewing angle our eye isn't used to seeing the real thing, enough depth of field to make it less looking like a miniature..) and so is perfect to "hide" possible issues.
Technically speaking as a collector I fully agree with you.

I was just wondering why some manufacturers present their stuff in the most unfortunate way, almost as if they'd want to shy away possible customers - NG is doing ok IMO, but a solid white base isn't something to advertice a shiny polished belly with as the above posts clearly show.
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As there's been lots of chat about the SAA 747SP and since I have an early example I thought I'd post a load of photos and some quick discussion of it. not a review as you guys have covered most of the points (not all of which I agree with):

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And yes IFlyHA the belly is very much natural metal finish.

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I've said it in the other thread already. SAA's 1970s 747/747SP were delivered with blue painted radomes. So unless someone shows me a pic of SPF at delivery with an unpainted radome, this is NOT an issue.
The radomes were replaced by unpainted ones rather soon as basically one flight through a thundercloud was enough to rub of some paint there. It just looked no good - for the same reason SAA changed their blue nacelles on CKC in favour for bare ones very soon. Too much work there for touching them up all the time. Coatings back then weren't what they are today, paricularly for high stress areas like engines.And the "good" coatings weren't suitable for radar covers.
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I've said it in the other thread already. SAA's 1970s 747/747SP were delivered with blue painted radomes. So unless someone shows me a pic of SPF at delivery with an unpainted radome, this is NOT an issue.
The radomes were replaced by unpainted ones rather soon as basically one flight through a thundercloud was enough to rub of some paint there. It just looked no good - for the same reason SAA changed their blue nacelles on CKC in favour for bare ones very soon. Too much work there for touching them up all the time. Coatings back then weren't what they are today, paricularly for high stress areas like engines.And the "good" coatings weren't suitable for radar covers.
I did see you say that but there is no way NG knew any of that since as far as can be told there isn't a single available photo of the airframe without the black nose. I'm with Jim in thinking that it would have made a lot more sense to include it and not doing so was an error on NG's part.

Having said that imho the titles and windowline are fine.
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