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Old 10-02-2003, 05:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The long awaited AMERICAN A300 release is in at past time hobbies
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Any pictures? Dragon's last pictures on their site were on a wrong mould (A300B4)

I hope this means the other (non-exclusive) releases will hit stores soon...
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Any pictures? Dragon's last pictures on their site were on a wrong mould (A300B4)

The pictures weren't of the wrong mould, but the wrong wingset. The mould pictures were of the -600.
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The pictures weren't of the wrong mould, but the wrong wingset. The mould pictures were of the -600.
Oh, okay. Thanks for the info Brian.
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Finally....I've got something to look forward to.Now how about that Mexicana from Jet-X?
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The long awaited AMERICAN A300 release is in at past time hobbies
So does anyone other than PTH have this release yet? I'm not able to locate it anywhere else on the web...

(Of course, by the time someone gets around to posting a reply to this message, I'll have probably found it ten times over ... )
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I just got home and the two that I ordered were waiting at the door. I must say that they are pretty sharp and I definitely recommend them.
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Thanks for the update Vince. Looks like I'll be heading over there later today.


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So does anyone other than PTH have this release yet? I'm not able to locate it anywhere else on the web...

(Of course, by the time someone gets around to posting a reply to this message, I'll have probably found it ten times over ... )
This model is a PTH exclusive.

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It's a little on the pricey side. This is the one model that would make me want to convert from 1/500 AA to 1/400 AA. I already have 2 1/500 AA A300's and definitely want one in my collection. However, all the AA models in 1/400 are so expensive. I could probably sell my AA 1/500 fleet for $50-60 but each 1/400 AA plane averages $25-28 and this is 30. And to top that off if i ever find a MD-82 i'll have to pay probably double or triple what normal models are. I'll have to see, i suspect there will only be an exclusive release, no regular release, and it will be gone rather quickly.
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...This is the one model that would make me want to convert from 1/500 AA to 1/400 AA...
It's time for you to 'convert' once and for all, and come over to the 'other side'.....
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I just got mine today and it is awesome. Now, one downside is that I hate chrome models, which is what this is. As for the model despite the chrome, I think Dragon's A300 mould is superb, it rates with me, among their DC-10 and MD-80 mould and above their 767-200 mould. The downside to their mould is that they never use it, like the MD-80. This is my second A300, the other is a PanAm A300B4, and these both amaze me.
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My 2 planes arrived today...the wait is truly over. As an FYI, the reg. number is N59081, which makes this one of the last A300s purchased by American (according to JP Fleets) in 1992. The chrome is BRIGHT, to say the least. The engines look pretty close to the engines on the actual aircraft. The GSE is nice too....an AA bus. Now for the bad news.....no winglets, which is really a shame. All in all, a nice representation of an anticipated and long-overdue release.

By the way, is Dragon still planning to release this one as a regular release? And if so, what finish will it have, and will it have a different reg. number?

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NO winglets? Thats the cool thing about the A-300-605 tho. Thats a shame!
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Got mine today, might as well comment:

Totally wrong. Has A300-600/R fuselage, A300-600/R stabs, A300B4 engines, and A300-600 wings. Note, A300-600 wings, not A300-600R wings.

It's only the -600*R* that has winglets. And that's what AA has. Heck, they're the -600R launch customer.

Engines: As said, B4 engines. (CF6-50). -600/R's have CF6-80. Now, DW has A300-600 CF6-80 engines. Check Emirates, and Thai. They're the EXACT ones AA has. But they're not on this release--it's the same as the EA and PA ones.

Wings: yup, no winglets. But get this---it's a new mold! Yup, it's an A300-600 wing. Which is basically a -600R minus winglets. It is NOT the B4 wing. The B4 wing has a small fence wrapped around the leading edge. So DW has 3 A300 wings now.

So DW went to all the trouble of making a new wing, for the wrong release.

Wow, this is Tucano-level screw-up.

Note: ironically, the variant Thai A300's are supposed to be -600's, not -600R's, but have the -600R wing. And yes, I do plan to do some wing-swapping. (The standard Thai A300 is correct)

PS--paint scheme's wrong too. AA A300's have the standard corogard/grey A300 wing/stab scheme, not all grey. Also, there is NO "curve" to the rear window line.

Finally--it's the exact plane they use for the box photo (N59081). Didn't they notice the engines and wings were wrong? And the rear stripe/window curve is evident in the pic, too.
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Wow those are a lot of errors, but im still getting it, ive been waiting for a AA A-300 for a while, not to mention I just flew on my 100th or so AA A-300 today, SJU-MIA.
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Totally wrong. Has A300-600/R fuselage, A300-600/R stabs, A300B4 engines, and A300-600 wings. Note, A300-600 wings, not A300-600R wings.

It's only the -600*R* that has winglets. And that's what AA has. Heck, they're the -600R launch customer.

Wings: yup, no winglets. But get this---it's a new mold! Yup, it's an A300-600 wing. Which is basically a -600R minus winglets. It is NOT the B4 wing. The B4 wing has a small fence wrapped around the leading edge. So DW has 3 A300 wings now.

Wow, this is Tucano-level screw-up.
Just because of no winglets, I skip this one.
That's not AA A300-600R! Come on Dragon Wings!

My AA fleet is still open for Fokker F-100 and true A300-600R.

Maybe AA DC-3 and CV-990 will join my 1/400 AA fleet earlier.
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Got mine today, might as well comment:

Totally wrong. Has A300-600/R fuselage, A300-600/R stabs, A300B4 engines, and A300-600 wings. Note, A300-600 wings, not A300-600R wings.

It's only the -600*R* that has winglets. And that's what AA has. Heck, they're the -600R launch customer.

Engines: As said, B4 engines. (CF6-50). -600/R's have CF6-80. Now, DW has A300-600 CF6-80 engines. Check Emirates, and Thai. They're the EXACT ones AA has. But they're not on this release--it's the same as the EA and PA ones.

Wings: yup, no winglets. But get this---it's a new mold! Yup, it's an A300-600 wing. Which is basically a -600R minus winglets. It is NOT the B4 wing. The B4 wing has a small fence wrapped around the leading edge. So DW has 3 A300 wings now.

So DW went to all the trouble of making a new wing, for the wrong release.

Wow, this is Tucano-level screw-up.

Note: ironically, the variant Thai A300's are supposed to be -600's, not -600R's, but have the -600R wing. And yes, I do plan to do some wing-swapping. (The standard Thai A300 is correct)

PS--paint scheme's wrong too. AA A300's have the standard corogard/grey A300 wing/stab scheme, not all grey. Also, there is NO "curve" to the rear window line.

Finally--it's the exact plane they use for the box photo (N59081). Didn't they notice the engines and wings were wrong? And the rear stripe/window curve is evident in the pic, too.
Sad to hear this David.
I thought that these flaws just were on the sample model

But David, most A300-600 have those wingtip-fences, too - including Thai's.
Apart from very early A306, both 600 and 600R share those wingtip-fences today!!
BTW: Even Hapag LLoyd's A310-200 had them.

Concerning the window-curve: The only model I know clearly featuring this detail is the DW A346 house cs.
All other A300/310/330/340 of DW/JX/GJ/HW don't show it - at least I've never seen it.
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Also, there is NO "curve" to the rear window line.

I have to disagree Dave...take a look:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/432136/M

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/422197/M

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/351820/M/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/331956/M/

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Can anyone give past time hobbies web address.

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Jet-X, David was talking about the model...

As we are on the A300: How long must I wait to finally see a Olympic and Alitalia A300B4??
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Concerning the window-curve: The only model I know clearly featuring this detail is the DW A346 house cs.
All other A300/310/330/340 of DW/JX/GJ/HW don't show it - at least I've never seen it.
Here's a couple of pictures that show the curve:

http://www.brinkley.cc/PhotoData/55407.htm
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Its hard to tell from the other planes, since they do look straight. If there's a curve on the other ones, its is very subtle.
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Oops, you're right, so I may exclude some more DW models from my list.
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Just received mine and all I gotta say is that it's a really nice model,BUT the wings are wrong.I still recommend people getting this one.Either get it now or wait for Herpa's version.You know how good Herpa's models look(very sarcastic).
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Y not take a bit of styrene strip, make 2 matching triangular pieces, and glue them to the wingtips - then paint to match - wouldn't be that difficult to do and would result in a more accurate looking model. Shouldn't have to for sure, but . . .
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1. Yup, I meant the model. Airbus rear-fuselage-window-line curves are always hard to spot, but DW usually does get them. But the AA's is just non-existent. (I haven't looked hard enough to see what's wrong--both stripe, windows, and door should all be higher up--I think DW missed all 3, made them all aligned with the front/middle--unlike their KLM A330 which actually had the windows right but the stripes wrong) It's certainly harder to see in the A300's than the 330/340, even though it should be the same.

2. Hunh. So some -600's do have -600R-style wingtip fences. Well, then DW REALLY didn't need to make the early-style -600 wing, for almost nothing would use it. (Not AA! ). I do know LH has some though, and of course DW would make LH eventually.... :P

3. Sgt Caribou. If that was all that was wrong, I'd either do that, or leave as is. But since the engines are wrong too, and the wing's painted the wrong way, it's worth it (and easier) to just snag a different A300-600R and use it's wings and engines. (Will probably changes stabs while I'm at it).
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3. Sgt Caribou. If that was all that was wrong, I'd either do that, or leave as is. But since the engines are wrong too, and the wing's painted the wrong way, it's worth it (and easier) to just snag a different A300-600R and use it's wings and engines. (Will probably changes stabs while I'm at it).
How easy is it to swap the wings from a DW plane? I don't want to try this and break the wings.
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1. Curved rear window line is on the A300/310/330/340, since they're all the same fuselage, just different lengths. It's so you can fit one more pair of containers under the cabin floor. (If the floor was straight, there'd be just a tiny bit too little height under the belly for that last pair--it's a big selling point for A300 vs 767 freighters--and of course, UPS has both )

2. DW 727 wings practically fall out, 747/MD-80/767 wings aren't too hard. A300--depends. On this one, I nearly broke them, and eventually had to break them on purpose to detach the center belly piece. Doesn't really matter, it's all internal. It all depends on how DW glued them together. Think GJ engine cowlings, if you've ever messed with them--some come off with a gentle pull, some won't come off with a pliers--on the same model! It's all about where a little drop of super glue may or may not have spread to at the factory.

Stabs are usually easy to remove, but 747's tend to have them mounted so close they'll pull the fuselage paint off if you do.

Basically, DW's have a big hole in the fuselage, a big hole in the center of the piece the wings are made of, and a big post on the center belly piece. If the belly piece is glued to the wings, that makes things a LOT more difficult. It's almost always "belly glued to wings, and holding tightly to the fuselage", rather than "wings glued to fuselage too strongly". Basically, pull and pry all you can, then push down on the wings from above. Start with a 727, they're always easiest. A300's have a huge advantage, in that the sides of the belly are cut away for the gear, so you can jab a tweezers in and pry up the belly piece.

If you're really interested, I'd ask Vikings770, as he's probably pulled apart hundreds of DW's by now.
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Pulling wings of a DW A300 is a real mess, all those that I've tried went off really hard and sometimes got damaged, but as David said: It's allways internal, so you can hide the damage.
The hardest things to get off are the stabs of a DW DC-10
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That would be great for me: AA, OA and Alitalia are the three out of four airlines whose A300s I've flown with (the other being Continental).

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As we are on the A300: How long must I wait to finally see a Olympic and Alitalia A300B4??

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