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Old 11-16-2020, 10:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default The Phoenix A300 Makes My Eyes Bleed!

Phoenix cause me actual physical pain from the retching that occurs when my eyes accidentally lock on to some of their releases.

They haven't used their A300 mould for years and now its back. Have they modified the shockingly bad nose region of the old mould? Course they haven't because why do that when you can continue to push out this kind of tripe and people still buy it?

Anyway here it is - what a beaut! This is the sort of release I would have loved to get but not on that mould.

Hell, it's arguably not even the worst of the October releases if you dare to look at the Qantas 747 or some of the 737s.
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Old 11-16-2020, 11:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I kinda wish they’d release a Fedex liveried one as Aeroclassics probably has no intentions of re-releasing one...
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When seeing the announcements I was afraid they could really do it, and yes.
They really tried to replicate the real thing with its empty engine nacelles. Awesome
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Old 11-17-2020, 01:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Was hoping for an improved mould by Phoenix when this model was announced. Well, we turn our attention back to just AeroClassics for our A300 needs!

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Oh Lord!! This is so wrong... I do not like Phoenix models.
The front part kinda looks like a B767...
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I wanted that model so hardly... but it’s terrible! What a shame. This is the reason I never end up getting phenix.
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The AC A300 is an absolute beaut!! I have many in my collection so don't even contemplate this ****e Phoenix mould!! What has happened to them? They started off so good with their 777's etc and now Mickey Mouse is in charge of the QC. I'll stick with AC tbh!!
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And somewhere out there, is the Dragon A300 mould, abandoned and will probably never be used again.
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Kinda puts all the tantrums and wailing over the NG 747SP into perspective, doesn't it?

Actually, I kinda feel sorry for Phoenix. Well, sorry might not be quite the right word... But seven or eight years ago they were at the height of their game with a bunch of best in market moulds and no more QC issues than anyone else.
I guess if you rest on your laurels long enough, they eventually start to rot...

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Nice scheme. I'll wait for AC to release this one.
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Yikes!


That is almost as bad as the Qantas 747 this month The worst part is some bloke down under (a private seller) is trying to flog off the Qantas 747s for $150AUD! It's not worth $1.50 AUD!
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I kinda wish they’d release a Fedex liveried one as Aeroclassics probably has no intentions of re-releasing one...
I'd buy one of those easily. But you're right. Despite there being tons of registrations they could do, this sadly won't be one we will likely ever see again
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I can't honestly say it's making my eyes bleed, but it is undoubtedly inferior in every way to the Aeroclassics edition. I too was looking forward to some sort of A300 prototype livery but this just seems like a waste of effort. Does it actually have empty nacelles though, like the real life 1:1 mock up in the museum at Toulouse ?
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I can't honestly say it's making my eyes bleed, but it is undoubtedly inferior in every way to the Aeroclassics edition. I too was looking forward to some sort of A300 prototype livery but this just seems like a waste of effort. Does it actually have empty nacelles though, like the real life 1:1 mock up in the museum at Toulouse ?

Looks like they simply put their PW moulds on - printed up like "empty" GE nacelles.
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I'd buy one of those easily. But you're right. Despite there being tons of registrations they could do, this sadly won't be one we will likely ever see again
Yes, they can do any of the factory delivered A300s, N650FE thru N692FE. (692 is the last A300 built, I would prefer that one) Or they can do any of the ones that were converted to freighters N717FD thru N751FD, so there are more than enough tail numbers out there...
A bit off topic, but my avatar photo is N651FE (which was the first FedEx A300 delivered) taken in May 1994 shortly after delivery, at IND for ramp training.

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It is not a good mould but from a few feet away there is not much that doesn't look ok. I have ordered mine.
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The Dark Lord is not too fond of House liveries.
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Now looking at it, it’s not too bad. It’s not something to be so nitpicky on.
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From this angle it is not that bad

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Now looking at it, it’s not too bad. It’s not something to be so nitpicky on.
The entire shape of the nose being completely inaccurate is not nitpicky. The criticism of the Iranian SP was nitpicky. People buying this and the PHX 747-400 are a blocker on quality models being made and PHX either upping their game or going out of business and letting others do a proper job. But hey 'it's only a model', 'buy what you like' - yadda yadda, meaningless pleasantry, nonsense...
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The entire shape of the nose being completely inaccurate is not nitpicky. The criticism of the Iranian SP was nitpicky. People buying this and the PHX 747-400 are a blocker on quality models being made and PHX either upping their game or going out of business and letting others do a proper job. But hey 'it's only a model', 'buy what you like' - yadda yadda, meaningless pleasantry, nonsense...
About the Phoenix A300 nose... here's an attachment below comparing the Phoenix mold (white outline, may be hard to see) to the real thing. Fuselage shape looks great, but if you want to be nitpicky, try the nose landing gear. It's off by the smallest margin.

I question your view of the NG Iran SP problems as being "nitpicky". It's something that NG noticed and found it to be enough of a problem that they should alert everyone of. Great customer service of them noticing and offering replacements but that's beside the point. A paint defect is pretty major especially if it's on a solid color as it's visible pretty quickly.
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About the Phoenix A300 nose... here's an attachment below comparing the Phoenix mold (white outline, may be hard to see) to the real thing. Fuselage shape looks great, but if you want to be nitpicky, try the nose landing gear. It's off by the smallest margin.

I question your view of the NG Iran SP problems as being "nitpicky". It's something that NG noticed and found it to be enough of a problem that they should alert everyone of. Great customer service of them noticing and offering replacements but that's beside the point. A paint defect is pretty major especially if it's on a solid color as it's visible pretty quickly.
I didn't mean the paint defect. I meant the micro-investigation of the nose shape, cockpit printing etc. But then again I am all for nitpicking the models if it enables improvement.
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The entire shape of the nose being completely inaccurate is not nitpicky. The criticism of the Iranian SP was nitpicky. People buying this and the PHX 747-400 are a blocker on quality models being made and PHX either upping their game or going out of business and letting others do a proper job. But hey 'it's only a model', 'buy what you like' - yadda yadda, meaningless pleasantry, nonsense...
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Buy what you like and like what you buy, that's the rule to never forget!

People shouldn't judge others for their tastes!
I disagree. As I say on my site:

"I often hear people say ‘buy what you like and like what you buy’. That is in my opinion only ok as long as you don’t care what you are buying. Subjectivity can only go so far. I want collectors to be informed and I want manufacturers to make better models. That isn’t going to happen if they put their fingers in their ears and go ‘la la la’.

Instead I’d suggest a better credo is ‘buy models using information that gives you enough of an understanding to make a good decision'. "

And people should very much judge others on their tastes and their actions.
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I disagree. As I say on my site:

"I often hear people say ‘buy what you like and like what you buy’. That is in my opinion only ok as long as you don’t care what you are buying. Subjectivity can only go so far. I want collectors to be informed and I want manufacturers to make better models. That isn’t going to happen if they put their fingers in their ears and go ‘la la la’.

Instead I’d suggest a better credo is ‘buy models using information that gives you enough of an understanding to make a good decision'. "

And people should very much judge others on their tastes and their actions.

I respect your view on buying models, but why should others be judged based on what they like and do? Everyone should be able to express who they are without the need to be judged.
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I respect your view on buying models, but why should others be judged based on what they like and do? Everyone should be able to express who they are without the need to be judged.
If it is legal then they have every right to do it but others have every right to criticise or commend if they feel the need. Furthermore if they disagree strongly enough then they can lobby to have things changed.

Judging and making decisions is a central aspect of being a responsible member of society. It isn't a bad thing it is a good thing. Everybody makes decisions based on their judgements of others every day - right or wrong.

Arguably what you are saying is "everyone can do anything with no recrimination no matter how stupid it is because the individual is more important than society as a whole". This is a symptom of modern society that has enabled many of the more destructive aspects of humanity to take hold.

But hey we are talking about model aircraft which is less important than popularist morons in places like Hungary, Brazil, the USA etc, the spread of a pandemic by individualist pillocks, anti-science thinking, worldwide environmental destruction etc.

If I could I would still make the Phoenix A300 and 747 illegal however
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If it is legal then they have every right to do it but others have every right to criticise or commend if they feel the need. Furthermore if they disagree strongly enough then they can lobby to have things changed.

Judging and making decisions is a central aspect of being a responsible member of society. It isn't a bad thing it is a good thing. Everybody makes decisions based on their judgements of others every day - right or wrong.

Arguably what you are saying is "everyone can do anything with no recrimination no matter how stupid it is because the individual is more important than society as a whole". This is a symptom of modern society that has enabled many of the more destructive aspects of humanity to take hold.

But hey we are talking about model aircraft which is less important than popularist morons in places like Hungary, Brazil, the USA etc, the spread of a pandemic by individualist pillocks, anti-science thinking, worldwide environmental destruction etc.

If I could I would still make the Phoenix A300 and 747 illegal however
Very fair and valid point; however, I'm putting the whole "don't judge others" category on being who you are, as long as it doesn't intend to cause harm to people or property. If that's the case, fine, they may be judged, otherwise I would disagree.
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"I often hear people say ‘buy what you like and like what you buy’. That is in my opinion only ok as long as you don’t care what you are buying. Subjectivity can only go so far. I want collectors to be informed and I want manufacturers to make better models. That isn’t going to happen if they put their fingers in their ears and go ‘la la la’.

Instead I’d suggest a better credo is ‘buy models using information that gives you enough of an understanding to make a good decision'. "

And people should very much judge others on their tastes and their actions.
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Very fair and valid point; however, I'm putting the whole "don't judge others" category on being who you are, as long as it doesn't intend to cause harm to people or property. If that's the case, fine, they may be judged, otherwise I would disagree.
Buying Phoenix A300s harms me massively - ha ha! I realise I'm being harsh but I would quite like Phoenix to go out of business and supporting the worst models they make makes 400 collecting worse off.
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Buying Phoenix A300s harms me massively - ha ha! I realise I'm being harsh but I would quite like Phoenix to go out of business and supporting the worst models they make makes 400 collecting worse off.
Now you're kinda in the same boat as I am with Gemini and their A320 family, minus the whole going out of business wish. I'm hoping they improve on the mold by the time NG dips their feet into the A320 or even A319 mold because chances are it could be outstanding...
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If Phoenix Models were cheap when they are rubbish, like wine, then I would agree. This has been a good back and forth. We obviously disagree, which is ok. Good to discuss regardless.
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Now you're kinda in the same boat as I am with Gemini and their A320 family, minus the whole going out of business wish. I'm hoping they improve on the mold by the time NG dips their feet into the A320 or even A319 mold because chances are it could be outstanding...
I've noticed that JC has improved that mould quite a bit recently (not the NEO). I may do a post on it soon. I got a JC A320ceo recently and it was surprisingly decent.
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Old 11-21-2020, 04:36 PM   #34 (permalink)
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If you can't afford, don't buy!

and for your smartness, think about this say de gustibus non est disputandum

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If Phoenix Models were cheap when they are rubbish, like wine, then I would agree. This has been a good back and forth. We obviously disagree, which is ok. Good to discuss regardless.
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Old 11-21-2020, 07:18 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Now looking at it, it’s not too bad. It’s not something to be so nitpicky on.
Hopefully you already have an A300 by AeroClassics (or even Dragon Wings). I would suggest you go ahead and purchase yourself an A300 by Phoenix, put it next to the AeroClassics version, and come back to this thread and give us your thoughts.

I didn't even need to compare it with an AeroClassics version as it does not come close to resembling an A300. Only those who held a Phoenix A300 in their hand knows what a piece of garbage it is.

I look forward to your thoughts after you get yours.

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Old 11-21-2020, 07:39 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Hopefully you already have an A300 by AeroClassics (or even Dragon Wings). I would suggest you go ahead and purchase yourself an A300 by Phoenix, put it next to the AeroClassics version, and come back to this thread and give us your thoughts.

I didn't even need to compare it with an AeroClassics version as it does not come close to resembling an A300. Only those who held a Phoenix A300 in their hand knows what a piece of garbage it is.

I look forward to your thoughts after you get yours.

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I do not have an A300 whatsoever. Closest is a CC-150 (Canadian military A310, DW) but that’s all I got. It’ll be easier said than done for me to get a Phoenix or Aeroclassics A300 as these things are super rare.
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I do not have an A300 whatsoever. Closest is a CC-150 (Canadian military A310, DW) but that’s all I got. It’ll be easier said than done for me to get a Phoenix or Aeroclassics A300 as these things are super rare.
117 AeroClassics A300s on eBay right now. Pre-order this A300B by Phoenix and you've got yourself a comparison!

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117 AeroClassics A300s on eBay right now. Pre-order this A300B by Phoenix and you've got yourself a comparison!

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Send me links to a few of those listings and I’ll look.
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I got a JC A320ceo recently and it was surprisingly decent.
My Iberia A32N was surprisingly good (except for those engines), it’s not a panda, but as an Iberia lover I was quite pleased with it.

I think the point here is the aim to improve, JC isn’t the best brand, but they improve their moulds, they improve their quality... which at the end makes a nice brand. In the other hand, phenix doesn’t give that impression, they might not be NG, but at least they could show interest on the customer.

At the end, you should buy what you like but being aware of it.
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Also, yesterday found this while searching:


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I’ll let you judge by yourselves.
That's two essentially different variants to compare, B4-200 vs. B4-600R.
Quite honestly, the AC doesn't really look good on this one.

I have quite a few AC A300s. While the mould certainly is not top, it's quite good. Usually it's the printing on them that ruins the overall impression.

The PHX is inferior with no doubt, playingin a league with moulds like ACs 721 or GJ 747SP.
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That A300 is a disgrace to the legendary aircraft.
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Quite honestly, the AC doesn't really look good on this one.
Cockpit window printing lets the AC down on this one. The mould is superb though - the Phoenix mould is crap.
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Wanting Phoenix to go out of business seems like a bit of an overreaction.

Their other Airbuses are for the most part pretty decent, as are their Boeings other than the older 747s. They make Russians that no one else does.
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I think the point here is the aim to improve, JC isn’t the best brand, but they improve their moulds, they improve their quality... which at the end makes a nice brand. In the other hand, phenix doesn’t give that impression, they might not be NG, but at least they could show interest on the customer.

At the end, you should buy what you like but being aware of it.
I completely agree with this. JC isn't perfect but they've made a massive effort to improve their existing moulds, build new moulds and begun to communicate with the collectorate as well. Big ups to them. Phoenix has done very little of any of these things.

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Wanting Phoenix to go out of business seems like a bit of an overreaction.

Their other Airbuses are for the most part pretty decent, as are their Boeings other than the older 747s. They make Russians that no one else does.
When was the last time Phoenix produced something on a Soviet mould? I'll tell you - they made a Cubana IL-96 in 2018 and an SU TU-154 in 2016. So if that is the best they can do with those two good moulds stuff them.

Almost everything else they make can be made by someone else better and often is. Their A321 and 737s are rubbish and their 787 and A350 obsolescent. The 747 classics and A300 are appalling. So what does that leave - A330s, 747-8s and A380s with the odd 767 and A320.

Add to that that their printing is weak compared to everyone else.

Would they really be missed and could their niche be filled better by someone else. No and Yes.
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Old 11-22-2020, 03:28 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Yeah but the fact is that they've been around for 15+ years and despite their failings they still seem to do fine. Plus, unlike a number of other manufacturers, they do a good job releasing things when they say they will.

AV400 and JC may make nicer models, but it takes forever for them to come out. Panda is just as bad if not worse. Aeroclassics can't get colors right. Gemini doesn't like to actually glue their models together. NG has a relatively limited catalog at the moment. All the manufacturers have flaws. I ignore half of the releases Phoenix has on any given month since they're on crap molds, but they make some models that I want on decent molds that I can rely on to come out at the right time.
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