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Old 10-18-2020, 11:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just saw these on Phoenix’s social media. I think they’re 1:400?

Is the Phoenix 748 just as bad as their 744?
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No, PHX uses a different mould for the 748 and doesn't suffer the same issues as the 744 mould.
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Their 747-8 mould is quite nice. I’m all over that Airbus house livery A300.
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Their 747-8 mould is quite nice. I’m all over that Airbus house livery A300.
Could have sworn the Phoenix A300 is the worst A300 of them all. I haven't touched one in over a decade, but I remember that it doesn't even get close to resembling an A300. Maybe they came out with improved tooling?

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I love how they correctly illustrate the missing engines on the real "fake" prototype
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I love how they correctly illustrate the missing engines on the real "fake" prototype
Yeah it's a 'mock up' prototype using an ex Laker frame. It currently resides in the museum at Toulouse.
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Yeah it's a 'mock up' prototype using an ex Laker frame. It currently resides in the museum at Toulouse.
For those of us who don't know the history, could you provide a bit of detail?
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For those of us who don't know the history, could you provide a bit of detail?
The "real" F-WUAB (A300B1) was scrapped already back in the 70's (1974 IIRC), parts of it are on display in various museums.
A few years ago, Airbus got a A300B4 that was withdrawn from service and painted the fuselage like the original WUAB had it. That's the one on display in Toulouse. And that's the one the illustration above shows. Funny enough the illustration also shows the engine nacelles without engines in them - just like on the real "fake" airframe. Attention to detail for sure

Edit: just btw., the original A300B(1) had a shorter fuselage, bare engines and white wings/tailplanes.
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For those of us who don't know the history, could you provide a bit of detail?
As Alex explains above basically, but further info here. It also appears not to have been taken up by Laker as ordered (G-BIMH) but entered service with Pan Am in billboard livery.


"F-WUAB Airbus Industrie Airbus A300B4" https://m.planespotters.net/airframe...dustrie/zeygke
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Thanks for that Al and Al.
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There was an article on SimpleFlying (I know everyone loves that site /s ), asking why the rear windows on an A340 slope upwards. Of all the stupid reasons, not one of them was that the A330/340 fuselage was based on the A300 which had the same feature.

So, why do the rear windows of an A300 slope upwards?
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There was an article on SimpleFlying (I know everyone loves that site /s ), asking why the rear windows on an A340 slope upwards. Of all the stupid reasons, not one of them was that the A330/340 fuselage was based on the A300 which had the same feature.

So, why do the rear windows of an A300 slope upwards?
Because the front slopes down ?
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Ooh, I love the Cargolux Mask and retro colors! Also considering the A300 house livery!
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There was an article on SimpleFlying (I know everyone loves that site /s ), asking why the rear windows on an A340 slope upwards. Of all the stupid reasons, not one of them was that the A330/340 fuselage was based on the A300 which had the same feature.

So, why do the rear windows of an A300 slope upwards?
Simply put: because that slighly elevating floor gives you additional volume in the aft cargo hold to load more containers.

For a more complex approach one could argue that with the way the aft fuselage tapers, its max useable diameter at the main deck rises upwards to the tail. Having the cabin floor following this geometry is only consequent.
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The Phoenix 747-8 mould is decent. But Gemini's latest 747-8 mould is definitely better (they used the Phoenix mould for the first couple of releases).
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Ok I never get phenix but that A300B... is so tempting!
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Simply put: because that slighly elevating floor gives you additional volume in the aft cargo hold to load more containers.

For a more complex approach one could argue that with the way the aft fuselage tapers, its max useable diameter at the main deck rises upwards to the tail. Having the cabin floor following this geometry is only consequent.
Let me add some more detail now that I have some more time. Was writing "on the fly"..

The main reason behind was the latter of the two above. Like I said, by following the aft fuselage taper by sloping upwards, you increase the available cabin floor space in this section.



The story of the increased cargo capacity is more related to the A300B4-600 which had a completely redesigned aft fuselage with a later but stronger taper. This allowed for a longer cabin and two additional LD3s in the aft cargo hold.


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Love the Nok Air B738, will definitely be looking to buy that to add to my fleet. Very tempted to add the A300 also.
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The Phoenix 747-8 mould is decent. But Gemini's latest 747-8 mould is definitely better (they used the Phoenix mould for the first couple of releases).
I'm sure it is... but I think the interactive models may actually take away a bit even though they're cool and novel. when they're in closed configuration the seams are pretty obvious. Might do the Phoenix for this one.
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Love the Nok Air B738, will definitely be looking to buy that to add to my fleet. Very tempted to add the A300 also.
I wouldn't bother with the Nok air if I was you. I'm sure NG will make it at some point and it'll save you from buying the atrocity that is the phoenix 737.
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it'll save you from buying the atrocity that is the phoenix 737.
It can't be more atrocious than the the Phoenix A300. According to DIMA, the Thai A300 in 2014 was Phoenix' last A300 release (link below). Look at that thing! Can you even recognize it if you weren't told that it was an A300?

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I truly hope that Phoenix, after 6 years of no A300s, has come up with an accurate A300 that is competitive with AeroClassics' A300.

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It can't be more atrocious than the the Phoenix A300. According to DIMA, the Thai A300 in 2014 was Phoenix' last A300 release (link below). Look at that thing! Can you even recognize it if you weren't told that it was an A300?

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I truly hope that Phoenix, after 6 years of no A300s, has come up with an accurate A300 that is competitive with AeroClassics' A300.

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The Phoenix 747-8 mould is decent. But Gemini's latest 747-8 mould is definitely better (they used the Phoenix mould for the first couple of releases).
While the wing-fuselage join is certainly superior, I think the JC/GJ upper deck shape ruins what could be a killer tooling... I am amazed that this has not been addressed yet, and even replicated on the interactive series. With that, I actually think Phoenix has the better 747-8. At the very least the shape of the darn thing is correct.
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A little more info on that Airbus A300 for you.

"Pictures: A300 appears in Airbus heritage scheme in Toulouse | News | Flight Global" https://www.flightglobal.com/picture.../66323.article
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The Phoenix 747-8 mould is decent. But Gemini's latest 747-8 mould is definitely better (they used the Phoenix mould for the first couple of releases).
While the wing-fuselage join is certainly superior, I think the JC/GJ upper deck shape ruins what could be a killer tooling... I am amazed that this has not been addressed yet, and even replicated on the interactive series. With that, I actually think Phoenix has the better 747-8. At the very least the shape of the darn thing is correct.
Which is ironic considering their other 747s 😂
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Which is ironic considering their other 747s 😂
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I'm sure it is... but I think the interactive models may actually take away a bit even though they're cool and novel. when they're in closed configuration the seams are pretty obvious. Might do the Phoenix for this one.
I was referring to the GJ standard mould without the gimmicks.
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While the wing-fuselage join is certainly superior, I think the JC/GJ upper deck shape ruins what could be a killer tooling... I am amazed that this has not been addressed yet, and even replicated on the interactive series. With that, I actually think Phoenix has the better 747-8. At the very least the shape of the darn thing is correct.
You're right. I had the pax mould in mind which I think is excellent. The cargo version has a terrible upper deck indeed.
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I'm sure it is... but I think the interactive models may actually take away a bit even though they're cool and novel. when they're in closed configuration the seams are pretty obvious. Might do the Phoenix for this one.
I was referring to the GJ standard mould without the gimmicks.
Yeah but given the two upcoming choices on this particular airframe, I’m leaning Phoenix. Especially since I don’t have a Phoenix 748 and would love to have one just for variety sake
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-800F from Gemini jets used to be fine until they decided to go for the interactive series and the open doors thing. I will go for Phoenix unless the start releasing again normal -800F What about the 777-200F fedex eco demonstrator ?
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I have the UPS 747-8F Spirit of Joe Sutter by Phoenix and she is a beauty! It is far superior to GJ's rendition (tapering of that hump on GJ is awful). I will be picking up Phoenix's Cargolux Mask Jet this time.
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I so much want that A300B in Airbus House livery. But my last experience with PM's A300 a decade ago was a shock. I bought an A300-600 and when I opened the box I first thought that somebody made a joke and painted an airline livery on a turd. Look at the picture - schrecklich!
So I will wait until I get a look at the real model.
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I so much want that A300B in Airbus House livery. But my last experience with PM's A300 a decade ago was a shock. I bought an A300-600 and when I opened the box I first thought that somebody made a joke and painted an airline livery on a turd. Look at the picture - schrecklich!
So I will wait until I get a look at the real model.
That's exactly what I'm talking about!! And that's the same Star Alliance livery TG A300 that I bought and I had the same reaction that you did! Ugh, you bring back bad memories! Thankfully I was able to get a copy of the AeroClassics release.

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My B777F cargo collection is growing again.. Nice to see that PH is making a FedEx (Gemini will be mad).. All my B777F´s are from PH and want nothing else..
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Phoenix 777's are decent if you are lucky enough to have all straight engines. Unfortunately this is becoming less common
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Yes, the PX 777 mould is weak as well. If you can pick up a JC or AV400 instead I´d take that.
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Yes, the PX 777 mould is weak as well. If you can pick up a JC or AV400 instead I´d take that.
The Phoenix was the standard by which others were judged for quite a while. It’s perfectly decent, just older and now surpassed. Also, they can’t stick the engines on straight.
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really?
I love Phx 777s.
What's wrong with the mould?
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really?
I love Phx 777s.
What's wrong with the mould?

It comes to personal preferences. Usually most collectors are chasing for the most realistic model. Even there´s not such a thing as the perfect model. It simply doesn´t exist. But manufactures are improving their moulds, printing details and overall quality. Gemini and Phoenix don´t improve their moulds and quality. They haven´t done it in years.



Once Phoenix was the leader when it comes to the mighty 777 but their reign is over if jugde by detail and quality.


There are just other manufactures that are doing a better job.


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Let´s open a can of worms. Any thoughts?


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I will wait for Gemini's version which is a future announcement
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I see there's also another 380 in Asiana's colours released again. Different reg I'm hoping as I already have their first release of this.
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From what I can see,it doesn't look bad! But again I'd like to see what everyone else makes of this. To me though,it seems like they've improved the 744 mould,or am I seriously wrong?
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To me though,it seems like they've improved the 744 mould,or am I seriously wrong?
I thought the same with the previous KLM 747's (PH-BFE and PH-BFK), but the nose is still the same.
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Photographing a model from that angle hides a lot of sins. It's one of the reasons Gemini do that angle for their shots.
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Photographing a model from that angle hides a lot of sins. It's one of the reasons Gemini do that angle for their shots.
I'm glad NG does their photos as a side-shot, making it easier for collectors to see what the models look like.
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Some more photos and the real one.
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I admit that doesn't look as bad as some. I, to my shame, do admit to owning a pair of Phoenix 747s (a 200F and a 400F) and they don't look as bad as the pax series 400s do - although I'd be glad to be rid of them if anyone ever makes an alternative, which they won't as they are obscure Chinese cargo airlines. Having said that the wing issues are still obvious. I think the Cargolux scheme with the black nosecone and anti-glare masks some of the forward fuselage issues.
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I think the Cargolux scheme with the black nosecone and anti-glare masks some of the forward fuselage issues.
Maybe you'd like to compare.
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The phoenix A300 is not acceptable for me, the 747 in borderline acceptable (if its a must have livery, or if I can obtain it cheap).
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