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Old 10-01-2020, 04:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My friend JagT747 has managed to get hold of a sample of the new JC Wings flaps-down 747-400 mould and I am happy to be able to host his write-up of it at Yesterday's Airlines. Check it out here:

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Are we any closer to seeing this released though ? It's been two years since you first announced it ?
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I always have a hard time with blank moulds. This looks promising tho.
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Are we any closer to seeing this released though ? It's been two years since you first announced it ?
I know. They did that one for Cathay with the flaps up so it technically has been used and they have announced at least one model on it to date (China Airlines).

It's never going to get the usage that would satisfy you Big Al, which is sad.
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Looks bloody amazing,I know that much. Unfortunately timing a JC releases is like expecting an 80year old pensioner to win a Formula 1 race!!
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I know. They did that one for Cathay with the flaps up so it technically has been used and they have announced at least one model on it to date (China Airlines).

It's never going to get the usage that would satisfy you Big Al, which is sad.
Oh well, I guess we just have to see if NG grasp the nettle then ?
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If JC spending money on this mould, they ought to put it to good use.

Is the China Airlines going to be the cheatline delivery livery? That's a model I'd get.

Essentially, 747-400's from the very beginning would be my own first priority.

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If JC spending money on this mould, they ought to put it to good use.

Is the China Airlines going to be the cheatline delivery livery? That's a model I'd get.

Essentially, 747-400's from the very beginning would be my own first priority.

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NORTHWEST 747-400 N665US(cn726)
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If they do a Northwest 747 in THAT livery...
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Hard to believe that I regard the 747-400 a classic now. I look forward to seeing how they release this in United, Lufthansa (old livery), and Air France colors!

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Is there hope for this mould to get a seriousely needed correction?
That aft fuselage (belly) is so wrong in shape that I can only hope for a retool.

The article says that with the "seemless" design of the mould there's the chance to also do 743s with just a new wing. I cannot agree here. In fact theopposite is the case.
That fuselage mould has a -400 wing-body-fairing. That limits your possibilities for a -300 down to just a very few (those late ones that actually were bulit with the -400s WBF)
Wouldn't have been a problem with old cradle design. Though I agree about its looks.

I did a 1/400 custom flaps down 16 years ago and never really liked it on display. I'm also not sure about this one.
I mean, full flaps without a wingload (wingflex) is a bit pointless IMHO as the only moment you'd see such config is when leaving the runway after landing - if at all.
I'd have expected such model with wingflex to display it on landing.
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Is there hope for this mould to get a seriousely needed correction?
That aft fuselage (belly) is so wrong in shape that I can only hope for a retool.

The article says that with the "seemless" design of the mould there's the chance to also do 743s with just a new wing. I cannot agree here. In fact theopposite is the case.
That fuselage mould has a -400 wing-body-fairing. That limits your possibilities for a -300 down to just a very few (those late ones that actually were bulit with the -400s WBF)
Wouldn't have been a problem with old cradle design. Though I agree about its looks.

I did a 1/400 custom flaps down 16 years ago and never really liked it on display. I'm also not sure about this one.
I mean, full flaps without a wingload (wingflex) is a bit pointless IMHO as the only moment you'd see such config is when leaving the runway after landing - if at all.
I'd have expected such model with wingflex to display it on landing.
I get your point, however personally I really don't mind lack of wing flex given the detail and effort gone into the triple slotted flaps. I think many collectors may want to display this model on its wheels anyway. JC would have a job on their hands to cover all configurations as articulating wing gear and extended nose gear oleo would be required to replicate the in-flight landing scenario.
Either way, really looking forward to seeing the painted version of this new mould. And I would definitely welcome Northwest delivery colours!
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Is there hope for this mould to get a seriousely needed correction?
That aft fuselage (belly) is so wrong in shape that I can only hope for a retool.

The article says that with the "seemless" design of the mould there's the chance to also do 743s with just a new wing. I cannot agree here. In fact theopposite is the case.
That fuselage mould has a -400 wing-body-fairing. That limits your possibilities for a -300 down to just a very few (those late ones that actually were bulit with the -400s WBF)
Wouldn't have been a problem with old cradle design. Though I agree about its looks.

I did a 1/400 custom flaps down 16 years ago and never really liked it on display. I'm also not sure about this one.
I mean, full flaps without a wingload (wingflex) is a bit pointless IMHO as the only moment you'd see such config is when leaving the runway after landing - if at all.
I'd have expected such model with wingflex to display it on landing.
They should have it as takeoff flaps configuration instead, (flaps 10 or 20). That would look better IMO.
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2 years ago we first heard about this new tooling, and now, just as NG starts to drop hints of a 747 tooling, we see this one. Little late to the show I fear, and Richard said it best that this mould will not get the usage it deserves.

I am not sure the proper name for it, but the engine cowling at the intake looks fat. That ring needs to be much, much thinner.

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I am not sure the proper name for it, but the engine cowling at the intake looks fat. That ring needs to be much, much thinner.
Have to agree - that surely detracts. I always look at the engines first, and these intakes don't cut it. Doug
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This looks promising, would like to see a KLM or Martinair Cargo or a nice Delta Airlines..
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The article says that with the "seemless" design of the mould there's the chance to also do 743s with just a new wing. I cannot agree here. In fact theopposite is the case.
That fuselage mould has a -400 wing-body-fairing. That limits your possibilities for a -300 down to just a very few (those late ones that actually were bulit with the -400s WBF)...



Just for completeness...
Did a quick count through the production list.

The fuselage mould as engineered on this JC is a -400 as said.
It is also good for everything with a stretched upperdeck and classic wings that was built not earlier than spring 1988. That is all -400D and only 8 -300s.
Now if JC would want to use that classic wing mould for a short upperdeck, it would be good for only 16 series -200 airframes. Again, everything built from spring 1988, mostly freighters.


Some interesting subjects would be in there, but if that fuselage isn't retooled it wont get my money. Hopes are on NG.
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There's plenty of 744s to be done without having to worry about 743s. I'm happy to buy some if they hit the market.
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There's plenty of 744s to be done without having to worry about 743s. I'm happy to buy some if they hit the market.
For sure. Having said that, these are 2 743's that should be produced. SAA has never been done in the Springbok livery and the Egyptair was produced by Magic Models many moons ago and is as rare as unicorn farts.

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For sure. Having said that, these are 2 743's that should be produced. SAA has never been done in the Springbok livery and the Egyptair was produced by Magic Models many moons ago and is as rare as unicorn farts.

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You even hit one of those 8 that could be done with the above fuseage mould. But not the SAA.
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Is there hope for this mould to get a seriousely needed correction?
That aft fuselage (belly) is so wrong in shape that I can only hope for a retool.
Once you see it you can't 'unsee' it!
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I really can't understand why JC has produced yet another 747-400 mould? He seems obsessed with all this 'flaps down' nonsence! He already owns the definitive Big Bird 747 moulds, so why not use those moulds, which I'm sure would make collectors just as happy as yet another 747-400 mould just because of the 'flaps down' addition?
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I fully agree with Adrian. The BB 747s or even better their AV400 counterparts are top notch.
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I would like to see this example below be done in the Flap down version..
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I really can't understand why JC has produced yet another 747-400 mould? He seems obsessed with all this 'flaps down' nonsence! He already owns the definitive Big Bird 747 moulds, so why not use those moulds, which I'm sure would make collectors just as happy as yet another 747-400 mould just because of the 'flaps down' addition?
I agree. A flaps-down mould is nice. But, given a choice, I'm fine with the existing BigBird 747, maybe tweaked a little here and there (e.g antennae). The models would probably be cheaper, too.

But if NG does a 747-400 mould, it would likely be even better than the BB one, if that's possible.

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Is there hope for this mould to get a seriousely needed correction?
That aft fuselage (belly) is so wrong in shape that I can only hope for a retool.
Can one of you please explain what is actually wrong here because I'm struggling to see a major problem myself.

Is it the shape of the fairing you have issue with? Bearing in mind I don't have this sample in hand to compare it I'm not seeing a dramatic issue. Perhaps the curve isn't 100% accurate but it is hard to say whereas you think it is 'so wrong that you hope for a retool'??

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This mold is sorely needed.
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If others are also talking about the fairing, it does look a little suspect if you compare it to the real deal...
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If others are also talking about the fairing, it does look a little suspect if you compare it to the real deal...
Using both Revell 1:144 747-400 and a Hasegawa 1:200 747-400 kits as references...
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Looks better than what PHX has to offer. Maybe it's my old eyes, but I can't see anything wrong either?
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Looks better than what PHX has to offer. Maybe it's my old eyes, but I can't see anything wrong either?
From the leading edge to approximately the trailing edge, there's a fairing that makes the fuselage flush with the wing. This picture of an Air France taking off shows well what I'm referencing. The new JC mould appears to bulge out in that entire area.
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I know. They did that one for Cathay with the flaps up so it technically has been used and they have announced at least one model on it to date (China Airlines).

It's never going to get the usage that would satisfy you Big Al, which is sad.
China Airlines would be interesting to me. By the way, my favorite would be the Condor 747-400M that was used for Taiwan flights. That would be a nice couple!

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... and I would appreciate any of Lufthansas 747-400 combis (D-ABT*)
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From the leading edge to approximately the trailing edge, there's a fairing that makes the fuselage flush with the wing. This picture of an Air France taking off shows well what I'm referencing. The new JC mould appears to bulge out in that entire area.
Ah thanks for that. That does look incorrect.
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Still better than phoenix - but I will note that my Dragons appear to have that detail correct

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Old 10-04-2020, 11:40 AM   #36 (permalink)
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From the leading edge to approximately the trailing edge, there's a fairing that makes the fuselage flush with the wing. This picture of an Air France taking off shows well what I'm referencing. The new JC mould appears to bulge out in that entire area.
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It baffles me because JC got it right on their 1:200 mould and did a very good job, but when they scaled down to 1:400 they ended up with several inaccuracies. A commendable effort to commission a brand new mould, but many areas to still be improved on in future releases.
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Let’s see how it looks on a finished product.

I bet it looks better than these two beauties I just picked up today
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Can one of you please explain what is actually wrong here because I'm struggling to see a major problem myself.

Is it the shape of the fairing you have issue with? Bearing in mind I don't have this sample in hand to compare it I'm not seeing a dramatic issue. Perhaps the curve isn't 100% accurate but it is hard to say whereas you think it is 'so wrong that you hope for a retool'??

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Is this the 400 scale pic? If so it looks really accurate to me! I'm a big sucker for correct looking engines and they look more accurate than any other manufacturer has achieved!
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Is it the shape of the fairing you have issue with? ...

No, I'm talking about the aft fuselage.

The real thing has a very distinct profile there: the full fuselage cross section runs aft until roughly where the cargo compartment door sits, then curves up rather tight and then runs in a straight line up all the way to the APU section.


The model shows a rather random, undefined looking shallow curve running allmost all the way between the discussed fairing and the APU.

To me this is just not what a 747 looks like. The fairing - although correctly observed - would only be a minor issue compared to the very basic fuselage shape IMO.



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And yes I know short focal lenghtes (like used for the sample shooting) lead to image/object distortion - still the difference should be obvious.
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It took me a while to understand what you mean and I have to agree with you. To me the most important part is always a plane's "face". So I didn't care whether the tail looks like the real thing. Yes, the could have done better.
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