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Old 08-07-2020, 07:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all,
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Do people have any views on how the Apollo mould for the BA 747-400 compares with the Gemini one?
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Old 08-07-2020, 09:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I think I'm right is saying the Apollo 747-400 mould is the famed Big Bird mould, which is the best out there and far better than the Gemini mould.
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Did you see my video from a few days ago:



The Apollo mould is the best 747-400 available by some distance
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Even the Apollo (Big Bird 400) mould I still have heard it said that the Dragon Wings 744 was the best. Thought?
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Even the Apollo (Big Bird 400) mould I still have heard it said that the Dragon Wings 744 was the best. Thought?
Not in my opinion. As I say in the video if you prefer seamless and the engine pylon join really upsets you go for Dragon but the Dragon printing and undercarriage is a bigger bugbear for me.
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Even the Apollo (Big Bird 400) mould I still have heard it said that the Dragon Wings 744 was the best. Thought?
They are both good. But Dragon has very simple landing gears, plastic wings + stabilizers and less details.
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Until a new 747-400 mould appears, and unless you can get your hands on the elusive Witty 747, the BigBird mould will generally keep you happy. Richard's written a very comprehensive guide reviewing the different moulds and it's a good resource to start familiarizing yourself with the different moulds. My only complaint with BigBird's 747-400s are their generic engines that are supposed to represent GE and PW engines. If you look carefully as well, their engine pylon is moulded for RR engines. There is a subtle difference for each engine choice!

BigBird's 747 mould is a somewhat dated and the wings aren't the newer slot-in type, but the fuselage shape and engine pylons are what make this mould stand out for me. For some collectors, they prefer that it is all-metal compared to Dragon Wings' combination of metal fuselage with plastic wings and stabilizers.

I've got plenty of Dragon 747-400s in my collection and, in my opinion, I still think it's a strong competitor in terms of mould accuracy. If you value the accuracy of the nose, engines (Dragon had separate engine AND pylon moulds for PW, GE, and RR options), then the stalky, plastic landing gears shouldn't bother you too much. I've upgraded some of my Dragon 747s with spare landing gears from BigBird 747s and they look wonderful.
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Obviously Dragon are so outdated now,but considering ther were one of the first 1/400moulds on the market,they were a pretty good brand. Their 747's were generally pretty accurate ( and I still have quite a number of 400's) in my collection. Besides the detail they left out in comparison to current moulds, I still find they had some of he most accurate engines. Only niggle was I found the cockpit windows a little on the small side.
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They are both good. But Dragon has very simple landing gears, plastic wings + stabilizers and less details.
Plastic wings and stabs never bothered me. These models are meant for static display, and unless you handle them a lot, the difference between plastic and zinc parts is minimal, and I believe you can actually get more detail and fineness with plastic. Attached are three of my Dragon Wings Lufthansa 747s, and I obviously like 'em. Not the first time I posted these pix, and they are (left to right):

DW55079 B747-230FSCD Cargo D-ABYJ
DW55156 B747-430 D-ABVF 'Frankfurt am Main'
DW55095B B747-230B D-ABZH 'Bonn'

Adequate landing gear, everything else competitive and timeless, Doug
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Plastic wings and stabs never bothered me. These models are meant for static display, and unless you handle them a lot, the difference between plastic and zinc parts is minimal, and I believe you can actually get more detail and fineness with plastic.
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Yeah true. But some collectors will say that they feel more like a toy than a diecast collectible.
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Yeah true. But some collectors will say that they feel more like a toy than a diecast collectible.
Don't care what it feels like, what does it look like? Doug

Also, I've got a couple of Phoenix A380s that are stunners, and they're very light in the hand - aluminum castings, don't have the heaviness of zinc.
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Plastic wings and stabs never bothered me. These models are meant for static display, and unless you handle them a lot, the difference between plastic and zinc parts is minimal, and I believe you can actually get more detail and fineness with plastic. Attached are three of my Dragon Wings Lufthansa 747s, and I obviously like 'em. Not the first time I posted these pix, and they are (left to right):

DW55079 B747-230FSCD Cargo D-ABYJ
DW55156 B747-430 D-ABVF 'Frankfurt am Main'
DW55095B B747-230B D-ABZH 'Bonn'

Adequate landing gear, everything else competitive and timeless, Doug
Has that wing root been modified ( middle pic)?
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Has that wing root been modified ( middle pic)?
No - that's the wing root from DW55095B B747-230B D-ABZH 'Bonn'. That is the biggest difference between the Dragon Wings and BigBird 747 moulds. Doug

Another thing I like about the two Dragon Wings B747-230s are the chrome bellies. Lufthansa used to keep their bare aluminum surfaces clean and polished, and this may well be an urban myth, but I read somewhere where Lufthansa clear lacquered these surfaces. I have seen some pretty worn older livery Lufthansa 747s though.

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Old 08-10-2020, 05:41 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Dragons 744's are one of my favorites, a user retrofitted one of his Dragon 747's with Aeroclassics landing gears and it looked absolutely superb. My only issue is the engine mounts seem to be at an awkward angle.
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Dragons 744's are one of my favorites, a user retrofitted one of his Dragon 747's with Aeroclassics landing gears and it looked absolutely superb. My only issue is the engine mounts seem to be at an awkward angle.
I'm surprised someone hasn't set up a supply of updated gears that can easily be swapped out on DW models ? Maybe something DW could consider themselves, their limited corporate releases still have these old school gears too. Some of those old releases would look a million times better with this easy part swap.
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I'm surprised someone hasn't set up a supply of updated gears that can easily be swapped out on DW models ? Maybe something DW could consider themselves, their limited corporate releases still have these old school gears too. Some of those old releases would look a million times better with this easy part swap.
I doubt Dragon Wings would do it, as they have seemed to have lost any interest in commercial aviation.
Aeroclassics, however could make a killing from selling these landing gear sets. I think I have around 25 dragon wings 747's in my collection so at $5-10 each, that's a decent amount to invest in landing gears.
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Don't care what it feels like, what does it look like? Doug
I am not sure if its just because I know they are, but plastic wings look plastic (which sounds a bit dumb but I think you can indeed tell they are plastic visually).
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