Hi Everyone, just got word about the NG New York Art. Apparently its on "hold" because the United Contestant winner of the New York Art found out about it, and is currently in what appears to be some sort of legal dispute. The news was confirmed by the United Contestant Winner of the California art (photos will be attached), sounds like she found out about the NG/Gemini versions last night.. and confirmed the news about the NG New York art version, thus why it is continuously "delayed" I am hoping NG can eventually release it but I did get the Gemini One
The attached image is of Instagram messages with the California Art Winner who confirmed the news as she knows the New York Art Winner so none of this is a rumor.
Whats everyones thoughts on this? Perhaps NG would like to pitch in and dispute this?
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Well that's a bummer. So what do those of us who pre-ordered do now? Ask for refunds?
I'd probably say just wait and see. if the NY/NJ Art winner is pursuing Legal actions and this is NG models after all who make unlicensed models, that very common cease and desist letter will probably go unignored. Wait to see what they officially say
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Someone posted this in the Facebook group.
I don’t collect any modern liveries, so I haven’t been following this all too closely. I’m guessing therein lies the reason on delays. Some threads back I remember Crownvic saying that GJ actually inquired about licensing the artwork, and the artists wanted an absurd amount of money to the point it made producing the models unfeasible. Seems said artists are still hellbent to get their pound of flesh.
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Re: NG Models United 757 - New York/Jersey Cancell
The answer to her question is simple: There are tons of lawyers who will help take legal action. The probability of success with battling a Chinese company is a different question.
So, can someone tell me if Taobao will be the best place to look for NG's version of this model until the dust settles?
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Hi Everyone, just got word about the NG New York Art. Apparently its on "hold" because the United Contestant winner of the New York Art found out about it, and is currently in what appears to be some sort of legal dispute. The news was confirmed by the United Contestant Winner of the California art (photos will be attached), sounds like she found out about the NG/Gemini versions last night.. and confirmed the news about the NG New York art version, thus why it is continuously "delayed" I am hoping NG can eventually release it but I did get the Gemini One
The attached image is of Instagram messages with the California Art Winner who confirmed the news as she knows the New York Art Winner so none of this is a rumor.
Whats everyones thoughts on this? Perhaps NG would like to pitch in and dispute this?
My opinion: it's a 1/400 model for God's sake!! What a sad sad individual to make an issue out of this!! So many serious things in life to deal with and they worry about s*** like this!! Get a life..omg!!
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Oh god no... and I was waiting to NG to make it! And didn’t bought the GJ when I had a big opportunity, even when the shop I always buy restocked! Well, now all we can is just wait...
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This is confusing because I emailed the retailer I got this from a few days ago as I noticed that it was gone from their website and they said it was delayed at customs and will be sent in the next few weeks? The model is now back on the website aswell.
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My opinion: it's a 1/400 model for God's sake!! What a sad sad individual to make an issue out of this!! So many serious things in life to deal with and they worry about s*** like this!! Get a life..omg!!
Well to be fair, out of common courtesy they should have asked her opinion and come to some agreement. If she was holding out for a big bucks payment, that's another matter but I daresay all of those Star Wars action figures I'd collect as a kid didn't come with some sort of payment to the artists that had their image modelled either.
There is also of course the possibility United paid both artists a commissioning fee for their works and that the airline holds the rights ? As we have seen, not every airline goes after it's copyrighted trademarks where it comes to models, preferring to see them as small fry and a form of free publicity, especially where 1:400 models do not form a part of their of their own merchandising operation.
But, as someone said above...pass the popcorn.
Oh and it looks like there are a couple of White Box on eBay going for silly money. I lucked out and got one at Demographer _X for standard price, there may be a couple left ? If NG ever does get them out there, I may bite twice.
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They will come out eventually, remember the ANA Star Wars Jets that got "canceled" and that was Disney.
Yep - I eventually got all of those releases, so I imagine the same thing will happen here, you'll just have to pay a little more attention to be able to source one when they show up.
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Just give the gal some monies or a case of 757's. I'd say the company that already released it are in more potential trouble than anyone else so far.
Who told her Gemini Jets and EzToys are making money off of her? There's a model with a white box out there. And good luck proving that Gemini made money off of her, if you can even prove Gemini made this. I can't even find the model on GJ's website. I could send her an e-mail and tell her that Schabak and Tucanoline were behind this white boxed model.
NG, on the other hand, has their name on the CA release box. She will battle this out in China, if there's a plane that she can even get on to get there. Judging from her use of traditional Chinese characters versus simplified form, I'm guessing she is of Taiwanese descent. She will probably be forced to declare Taiwan is part of China before they even let her inside the courthouse there.
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I saw both at my main retailer.
But this is the reason we likely won't get any Cathay stuff from NG. They're too noisy about their releases. Least Phoenix and JC call them Miscellaneous when it comes to airlines that actually care.
But I am honestly hoping NG does the two Disney westjet's
Glad that I just ordered the Gemini Jets NY/NJ livery yesterday haha. But I think the NG models will arrive anyhow but maybe just a little more patience is needed
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I saw both at my main retailer.
But this is the reason we likely won't get any Cathay stuff from NG. They're too noisy about their releases. Least Phoenix and JC call them Miscellaneous when it comes to airlines that actually care.
But I am honestly hoping NG does the two Disney westjet's
That's funny, as I have an NG CX A333 in the 1990s livery sitting in my cabinet. The box doesn't say NG or CX on it, but it's definitely something made by NG. Compare what was originally announced and the line up of artwork in the thread below. You will notice something is missing.
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Glad that I just ordered the Gemini Jets NY/NJ livery yesterday haha. But I think the NG models will arrive anyhow but maybe just a little more patience is needed
But this is the reason we likely won't get any Cathay stuff from NG. They're too noisy about their releases. Least Phoenix and JC call them Miscellaneous when it comes to airlines that actually care.
But I am honestly hoping NG does the two Disney westjet's
That's funny, as I have an NG CX A333 in the 1990s livery sitting in my cabinet. The box doesn't say NG or CX on it, but it's definitely something made by NG. Compare what was originally announced and the line up of artwork in the thread below. You will notice something is missing.
Yes NG made a Cathay A330 this is the only one I know of they made quietly and released quietly. I have it. It is very pretty. No markings on the box but The box is the same size as their NG A330
But this is the reason we likely won't get any Cathay stuff from NG. They're too noisy about their releases. Least Phoenix and JC call them Miscellaneous when it comes to airlines that actually care.
But I am honestly hoping NG does the two Disney westjet's
I actually asked NG last summer and they were hellbent on never doing Disney Westjet unless they got proper licensing. Phoenix made so much noise whilst producing and distributing theirs, the customs in America caught on one time and was able to seize a large substantial shipment but many did get through
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Just give the gal some monies or a case of 757's. I'd say the company that already released it are in more potential trouble than anyone else so far.
Who told her Gemini Jets and EzToys are making money off of her? There's a model with a white box out there. And good luck proving that Gemini made money off of her, if you can even prove Gemini made this. I can't even find the model on GJ's website. I could send her an e-mail and tell her that Schabak and Tucanoline were behind this white boxed model.
NG, on the other hand, has their name on the CA release box. She will battle this out in China, if there's a plane that she can even get on to get there. Judging from her use of traditional Chinese characters versus simplified form, I'm guessing she is of Taiwanese descent. She will probably be forced to declare Taiwan is part of China before they even let her inside the courthouse there.
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Yup she is Taiwanese. What I find absolutely disgusting is, she knows nothing about this hobby, and made a simple mistake to mention EzToys and the same people who wanted to boycott GeminiJets for allegedly shutting down NGs instagram are the same ones attacking her for trying to get a model cancelled or attacking eztoys. Sometimes I really hate all these kids in the hobby attacking people for literally 0 reason. All of them hop on the same bandwagon
Hi Everyone, just got word about the NG New York Art. Apparently its on "hold" because the United Contestant winner of the New York Art found out about it, and is currently in what appears to be some sort of legal dispute. The news was confirmed by the United Contestant Winner of the California art (photos will be attached), sounds like she found out about the NG/Gemini versions last night.. and confirmed the news about the NG New York art version, thus why it is continuously "delayed" I am hoping NG can eventually release it but I did get the Gemini One [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
The attached image is of Instagram messages with the California Art Winner who confirmed the news as she knows the New York Art Winner so none of this is a rumor.
Whats everyones thoughts on this? Perhaps NG would like to pitch in and dispute this?
My opinion: it's a 1/400 model for God's sake!! What a sad sad individual to make an issue out of this!! So many serious things in life to deal with and they worry about s*** like this!! Get a life..omg!!
It’s her work. She wants to protect it. You wouldn’t want me to steal your property, sell it to make profit right in front of you, now would you? And “it’s just 1/400” is not a correct statement. Hundreds - if not thousands of Her Art Here models were made by both NG and Whitebox/GJ and they must’ve all made pretty money if they didn’t need to pay royalties to anyone...
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It’s her work. She wants to protect it. You wouldn’t want me to steal your property, sell it to make profit right in front of you, now would you? And “it’s just 1/400” is not a correct statement. Hundreds - if not thousands of Her Art Here models were made by both NG and Whitebox/GJ and they must’ve all made pretty money if they didn’t need to pay royalties to anyone...
Quite the righteous indignation, for someone who stands on the thin ice of double-standards.
How about this thread, where you thought it was "pointless" for AC to be upset with Panda for using their illegally-cloned intellectual property??
I think AC can't prove anything (No offence Andrew) and it would be pointless spending thousands of $$ for legal fees especially in China of all places where people rip off each other everyday.
By your exact words, people get ripped off in China every day, so why should the Taiwanese artist even bother?! "It would be pointless spending thousands for legal fees", especially since [NG] is in China of all places.
By your exact words, people get ripped off in China every day, so why should the Taiwanese artist even bother?! "It would be pointless spending thousands for legal fees", especially since [NG] is in China of all places.
I just wanted to bring the developing news about NG's model. I know a legal dispute wouldn't work out anyway because its China and the one person saying why the artist was complaining, I was just giving an answer (From the Artist's point of view - Not my own). But it's crazy seeing the same people who attacked GeminiJets about the whole NG Instagram situation (not realizing it was all false info), attacking the artist for simply wanting to protect their stuff. I simply just brought forward the news about the NY/NJ Art, that the artists explicitly wanted the news to be heard by everyone since everyone was kept in the dark about it simply being "delayed". Not to confuse this with my previous comments.
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Re: NG Models United 757 - New York/Jersey Cancell
are the tristars from the same month also delayed still? I saw release photos of the ATA tristar but it has been on preorder status for like three months now.
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The NY was delayed well before the artist knew anything about it and to the best of my knowledge she doesn't have anything to do with it and the United, as well as the Tristars, will ship out soon. Will know shortly in any case.
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It’s her work. She wants to protect it. You wouldn’t want me to steal your property, sell it to make profit right in front of you, now would you? And “it’s just 1/400” is not a correct statement. Hundreds - if not thousands of Her Art Here models were made by both NG and Whitebox/GJ and they must’ve all made pretty money if they didn’t need to pay royalties to anyone...
If as a designer of a scheme that's placed on an aircraft,I'd expect my commission definitely. Any other depiction in advertising let's say that's brandishing my artwork,I'd probably say yes too. But I personally wouldn't make it the issue it's become and stopping a model being made. Have a word with the model maker and discuss a percentage perhaps,but to go to the point of it going down the legal/court side of things is a bit extreme when it comes to a 1/400 airliner model. To me its pathetic. That's my opinion. If it's not yours,that's your problem mate! Oh and one more thing...please don't refer to me as a silly kid jumping on the bandwagon and I'm probably old enough to be your grandad. I have my opinion and that's it! Like it or lump it!
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It’s her work. She wants to protect it. You wouldn’t want me to steal your property, sell it to make profit right in front of you, now would you? And “it’s just 1/400” is not a correct statement. Hundreds - if not thousands of Her Art Here models were made by both NG and Whitebox/GJ and they must’ve all made pretty money if they didn’t need to pay royalties to anyone...
If as a designer of a scheme that's placed on an aircraft,I'd expect my commission definitely. Any other depiction in advertising let's say that's brandishing my artwork,I'd probably say yes too. But I personally wouldn't make it the issue it's become and stopping a model being made. Have a word with the model maker and discuss a percentage perhaps,but to go to the point of it going down the legal/court side of things is a bit extreme when it comes to a 1/400 airliner model. To me its pathetic. That's my opinion. If it's not yours,that's your problem mate! Oh and one more thing...please don't refer to me as a silly kid jumping on the bandwagon and I'm probably old enough to be your grandad. I have my opinion and that's it! Like it or lump it!
Hey Grandad I think you forgot to clean your glasses. You can clearly see I was referring to the silly kids as the ones who were attacking the artist for simply wanting to protect her property all over social media. Not once did I say the silly kids was simply someone expressing their opinion on the topic, but the people harassing and bullying the artists online. The artist can do whatever they please. Secondly, I didn’t direct it at you, which is why I quoted and replied to it in a completely different post. You have your opinion. I have mine. The artist has theirs. I was just bringing news about the delayed model. If you can’t handle someone’s opinion which is opposed to yours, you shouldn’t have commented to begin with. The artwork is the artists property. They’ve said they own the copyright, and they have every right to pursue this in any shape or form as they please. Even if it’s made on a 1/400, hell even if it’s made on a 1/500 or 1/600 they can do whatever they want to protect their artwork.
Good morning by the way 🙂
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I'm just curious what these artists demanded when GJ appropriately approached them. We are talking $50 models to the ultimate customer. Did they demand a get-rich-quick kind of royalty that would have ended up in a final price to us that all of us would have balked at?
And looking more into this Her Art Here thing, the California livery is the Taiwanese lady's design. The NY/NJ design is a different lady's artwork. Is it this other lady that is stopping the NY/NJ model release? The train already left the station for the Taiwanese lady. Is the other artist negotiating a reasonable royalty now?
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Re: NG Models United 757 - New York/Jersey Cancell
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Yes NG made a Cathay A330 this is the only one I know of they made quietly and released quietly. I have it. It is very pretty. No markings on the box but The box is the same size as their NG A330
Ahhh I’m so jealous you got it. Really want either the NG or the Panda version.
I need to agree with the creator of the NYC art since no one even asked, but if they ask I’d just say yes, you don’t need to be so bad with a brand by making a model, which people like. But that’s just my opinion.
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I'm just curious what these artists demanded when GJ appropriately approached them. We are talking $50 models to the ultimate customer. Did they demand a get-rich-quick kind of royalty that would have ended up in a final price to us that all of us would have balked at?
And looking more into this Her Art Here thing, the California livery is the Taiwanese lady's design. The NY/NJ design is a different lady's artwork. Is it this other lady that is stopping the NY/NJ model release? The train already left the station for the Taiwanese lady. Is the other artist negotiating a reasonable royalty now?
Harvey
From what I heard from the Taiwanese Artist, the NY artist knew about it from the beginning and is the one who is attempting to or has pursued some sort of legal action or something, and the NY artist is the one who’s gotten her artwork model delayed. The Taiwanese artist was too late because she found out too late and by then both her versions were released. Everyone was just attacking her because she accidentally named EzToys as one of the model manufacturers. Hopefully this issue can be resolved soon. I really want NG’s NY version. They’ve certainly improved the dome on theirs.
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Yes NG made a Cathay A330 this is the only one I know of they made quietly and released quietly. I have it. It is very pretty. No markings on the box but The box is the same size as their NG A330
Ahhh I’m so jealous you got it. Really want either the NG or the Panda version.
I need to agree with the creator of the NYC art since no one even asked, but if they ask I’d just say yes, you don’t need to be so bad with a brand by making a model, which people like. But that’s just my opinion.
Hmm I wasn’t sure If this was ever popular. For something released under the radar with no news this didn’t even exist. Perhaps some retailers or even eBay still has it?
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Re: NG Models United 757 - New York/Jersey Cancell
If I were her, I'd just sit back and enjoy my 15 minutes on a design my 2 year old grandchild could have drawn up on a scrap piece of printer paper and magic markers. just trying to get a buck out of it. Think of it as free advertisement maam!
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Much like the Honolulu high school student, who's "Spirit of the Islands" design Alaska Airlines selected, I would be over the moon to have my design picked. Maybe see if they can swing a Pacmin 100 scale of it for myself, and we are good.
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If I were her, I'd just sit back and enjoy my 15 minutes on a design my 2 year old grandchild could have drawn up on a scrap piece of printer paper and magic markers. just trying to get a buck out of it. Think of it as free advertisement maam!
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Hey Grandad I think you forgot to clean your glasses. You can clearly see I was referring to the silly kids as the ones who were attacking the artist for simply wanting to protect her property all over social media. Not once did I say the silly kids was simply someone expressing their opinion on the topic, but the people harassing and bullying the artists online. The artist can do whatever they please. Secondly, I didn’t direct it at you, which is why I quoted and replied to it in a completely different post. You have your opinion. I have mine. The artist has theirs. I was just bringing news about the delayed model. If you can’t handle someone’s opinion which is opposed to yours, you shouldn’t have commented to begin with. The artwork is the artists property. They’ve said they own the copyright, and they have every right to pursue this in any shape or form as they please. Even if it’s made on a 1/400, hell even if it’s made on a 1/500 or 1/600 they can do whatever they want to protect their artwork.
Good morning by the way 🙂
My humble apologies!!
I seriously misread and obviously misunderstood your quote. And when I saw silly kids of the hobby I wrongly assumed you were having a dig at some of us on the forum! There are times in life where we screw up and this time it was my turn!! Next time I will put stronger glasses on and read it properly!! Lol!
Sorry again!!
Oh morning too btw!
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NG Models United 757 - New York/Jersey Cancelled?
Not to confuse this with my previous comments.
