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Old 07-04-2020, 08:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok I know this isn't 1:400 but I didn't want to hide this in some part of the site nobody reads and there can't be many 1:400 collectors who weren't either collecting in the 80/90s, or kids in the 80/90s, that didn't start out with Schabaks. wings900 used to include the website scale600 in its family but has now closed it so I felt the need to detail the history so it isn't lost.

Well before I was into 1:400 scale I built a massive collection of Schabaks: the charming little German decaled aircraft, which for all their failings still represent many happy memories for me. Here I provide a detailed history of Schabak models including an in-depth explanation of airline numbering, wheel and window types and mould changes.

https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/1600-scale.html

There will be more to come. Below is a photo of a hundred or so of my 1700 strong Schabak fleet:

1:600 Scale Schabaks by rstretton, on Flickr
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Old 07-05-2020, 02:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Great Richard - I love to see this mix of airlines as there are really lot of classics ones that You display in a comprehensive way. I think this takes me into the depth of my soul :-)

Btw. there was a site that not exists anymore - I think it was wings600. You could find the Frankfurt airport there in 1/600. It is very impressive to see what You can do with things, which seem to be imperfect in detail but will well fit perfect together if all to be seen at a big picture.

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Old 07-05-2020, 02:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
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OH MAN!!! You just unlocked some memories from the 1980s with that photo of the Northwest Orient 4-Pack. I bought this 4-pack onboard a trans Pacific Northwest Orient 747-200 between ITM - LAX, when I was in the 3rd or 4th grade. HUGE purchase using my allowance but those were the most amazing models I ever laid eyes on at the time and I had to have that box of models!! Heck, that maybe marked the beginning of the collection I currently have. Great stuff!

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Ok I know this isn't 1:400 but I didn't want to hide this in some part of the site nobody reads and there can't be many 1:400 collectors who weren't either collecting in the 80/90s, or kids in the 80/90s, that didn't start out with Schabaks. wings900 used to include the website scale600 in its family but has now closed it so I felt the need to detail the history so it isn't lost.

Well before I was into 1:400 scale I built a massive collection of Schabaks: the charming little German decaled aircraft, which for all their failings still represent many happy memories for me. Here I provide a detailed history of Schabak models including an in-depth explanation of airline numbering, wheel and window types and mould changes.

https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/1600-scale.html

There will be more to come. Below is a photo of a hundred or so of my 1700 strong Schabak fleet:

1:600 Scale Schabaks by rstretton, on Flickr
There’s a local store with a few dozen schabaks on sale for $5 apiece. I’m tempted to go clear the shelf. I started collecting as a kid in the 80s, but lost most of my collection when my luggage got lost at Narita when I was 6 or 7. Still have a bunch back home with my parents. Those old Schabaks are the reason that 30 years later (2 months ago) I went berserk and started buying 1:400s like mad (went from one NAA 763 with me at my current station to 188 models in just over 2 months)

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Thanks, Richard! A very nice overview about the manufacturer that started my passion for aircraft models, too. I like your photos, especially from the early days.

I've recently started taking photos of Schabak's mould I jumbo jets myself and added a few of their 747-400s yesterday. This latest incarnation of the original tooling doesn't look too bad: https://www.reiffer.com/schabak-boeing-747

PS: You might add some sources to your article like Schabak's orginal website, maybe me or Wilfried Oppermann, who provided the photo of the A340-600.
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Simply wow, ths 4 sharing.
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A really wonderful read - thank you Richard.
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I was expecting to find the models I had in 1972-74'ish but no such luck. Recognise the metal wheels. I had a Concorde in Air France first cheatline c/s with paper sticker cheatline, not water slide.
Were they Schucos?
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Some of my first models were Schabaks, my uncle bought me a handful as souvenirs (BA aircraft) on a trip to England more than a decade ago. He created a monster hahaha. Was thinking of giving them away as they're just cooped up in their boxes in my drawers and deserve a more appreciative home.
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PS: You might add some sources to your article like Schabak's orginal website, maybe me or Wilfried Oppermann, who provided the photo of the A340-600.
Fair point - I got those from Wilfried. His names in the photos though so they kind of self-reference!

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I was expecting to find the models I had in 1972-74'ish but no such luck. Recognise the metal wheels. I had a Concorde in Air France first cheatline c/s with paper sticker cheatline, not water slide.
Were they Schucos?
Yeah they'd have been Shucos. I am planning to do a piece on them as well.
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Old 07-05-2020, 07:24 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I think many of us can relate to Schabaks as I also started collecting these. Oh yes they were crude and with decals, but in the '80s there was nothing else and what you never had, you never miss. I think I only collected about a dozen before 'the real deal' came along first with 1/500 Tampo printed models, then 1/400. That was IT for me, sell the few 1/600s and 1/500s and stick with 1/400 which I have done so ever since and very pleased I made that decision.
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In terms of accuracy I'm with Adrian. I collected Schabak models from the late 1980s to the early 2000s. In 1999 I got my first 1/400 model (GJ 747-400 British Airways Rendezvous) and from that point on I gradually lost interest in 1/600.

However, in recent years I've grown fond of my Schabak collection again. Of course I don't see them as scale models anymore but rather as vintage airplane toys. Just like many of you I cherish the memories associated with them.

And I still remember my first models: Schuco Boeing 707 Condor, Schuco DC-10 Lufthansa, Schabak 747B Swissair, Schabak 747-200B Royal Jordanian, Schabak 747-300 KLM and Schabak DC-10 SAS. Those were the days.

If you are interested in the pricelists and brochures just go to https://schabak.reiffer.com
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I was expecting to find the models I had in 1972-74'ish but no such luck. Recognise the metal wheels. I had a Concorde in Air France first cheatline c/s with paper sticker cheatline, not water slide.
Were they Schucos?
There was a Schuco Air France Concorde in the old livery but if it had paper stickers it was definitely from a different manufacturer. Schuco only used water slides.
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Is this not a 1:400 scale thread?
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There was a Schuco Air France Concorde in the old livery but if it had paper stickers it was definitely from a different manufacturer. Schuco only used water slides.

Ok, even as early as -72'ish ? I don't remember any manufacturer name from those days.
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Lintoy did have some 1/600 offerings. I've got a 727, not sure if they had a Concorde: https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...ollectors.html
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The one thing they had going for them is that they didn’t break easily.
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I have just one Schabak model: a BEA Viscount which I love because it's so tiny and because my Dad flew them and I got to ride with him on a London-Manchester-London flight. I was wedged in between the back of the captain's seat and the radio rack behind me. I guess I was about 8yrs old.
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BTW, what happened to Herpa's range of 1/600 aircraft models? Those were superb.
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BTW, what happened to Herpa's range of 1/600 aircraft models? Those were superb.
They only lasted a few years. I'll do a piece on them too. In the end they only produced a handful of models but they were excellent.
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They only lasted a few years. I'll do a piece on them too. In the end they only produced a handful of models but they were excellent.
Richard, what I'm interested in is what happened to these moulds.

As far as I know the toolings weren't produced for Herpa in particular but they jumped on the bandwagon. Once Schabak was gone Herpa lost interest. But the moulds must be somewhere. IMHO they were the best models ever produced in this scale.
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..... I have a half dozen 1/600 Schabak models to initially thrust me into this collecting craze. They were pretty cool at the time being much closer to a scale model than a kids' toy. Still have them as I don't figure anyone these days wants them. Guess I'll keep them.
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Is this not a 1:400 scale thread?
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Okay, you're correct. But since many of us got infected by these toys it's okay with me.
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Is this not a 1:400 scale thread?
Did you actually read the first post??
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My collection began as a kid with these.

There was a shop in I want to say Concourse F (maybe it was E) at Miami International that had an entire wall of them for sale for many, many years. They were cheap too. From $4-$10 at most over the years.

Conveniently that store also sold lottery tickets, so my dad would go in there between flights, buy a lotto ticket and also grab me a model. Given that he was flying to MIA 3 or 4 times a week, the collection got large very quickly.

If you ever stepped on one of these in the dark you'll never forget the pain. Its been nearly 30 years and both I and my parents remember it vividly.
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If you ever stepped on one of these in the dark you'll never forget the pain. Its been nearly 30 years and both I and my parents remember it vividly.
They definitely don't break easily.
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I had a little model plane late sixties early seventies. I've tried for ages to work out what it was. From this thread I think it was a Schuco 784/2 727 lufthansa. So, thanks Richard for posting this even tho it is a 1:400 thread!
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If you ever stepped on one of these in the dark you'll never forget the pain. Its been nearly 30 years and both I and my parents remember it vividly.
That's funny as hell!!

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If you ever stepped on one of these in the dark you'll never forget the pain.
Good one! Must have been even worse compared to a "forgotten" LEGO brick. That was already pretty bad when I went into my kids' room at night when they cried for some reason.
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I continue my look at the history of 1:600 Scale with the limited edition Silver Wings series by Schabak that brought classic models and improved quality to the line:

https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/silver-wings.html

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The next part of my Schabak history tour looks at promotional models. Who wouldn't want a Concorde in the colours of the world's most successful computer company - Commodore!

https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/s...ne-models.html

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I'm still working on my history of Schabaks and this is my first aircraft specific review, covering the McDonnell Douglas DC-10 one of Schabaks earliest moulds and one they inherited from Schuco. Although the base mould remained the same as was usual there were many modifications:

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G R E A T lines-up, ths 4 sharing.
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Schabak also used some of Schuco's original decals with panoramic cockpit windows, like KLM.
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Schabak also used some of Schuco's original decals with panoramic cockpit windows, like KLM.
Yeah those look terrible. I talk about that on the windows page:

https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/s...-variants.html
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They do indeed.
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Very nice Richard...and I would place a bet that I would see some of my former ones there on the pictures

It is good to know they have a good place and home.
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I continue my look at Schabak widebody trijets with their Lockheed Tristar moulds, which went through a few variations over the years:

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In 2007 Herpå created a 1:600 line called MAGIC. The Tampo printing was excellent and the moulds were equal to or better than Schabaks. The leader(s) of Schabak should of done the same thing years earlier but never listened to collectors.
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Old 08-24-2020, 04:31 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Two quick images of custom-decaled Schabaks I created between 1995-1999. I know they look crude by todays standards, but I was at the mercy of the technology I had access to and the mould itself. However, it did prove to me what was possible back then and supported my strong opinions whenever manufacturers made silly mistakes with the artwork.
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Here are my latest customs:

https://www.reiffer.com/sonderanfertigungen
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Very cool customs. BTW, if you look closely you'll notice none of my decal work has shifted, torn or discoloured (any defects you do see are from throwing them into a box) in 25 years. The solution, I boiled Evian water to remove any impurities, a good quality white glue and a matte spray.
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Nice work Steven. Yeah I have quite a few Herpa Magic and I will post about them in time. The moulds are excellent in comparison. Once production moved to China all Schuco-Schabaks were Tampo printed but I agree Schabak should have been doing that in the 90s.
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I'm still working through the history of Schabaks and just before I pop off on holiday I take a look at the Airbus A300 in 1:600 scale:

https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/airbus-a300.html

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