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Old 06-29-2020, 05:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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NG Model have provided the first picture of their new 1:400 Boeing 747SP mould (version 2).
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Looks perfect! It might be the angle of the photograph but it looks like the nose is very slightly too high (probably not more than a mm). Anyways, so excited, specially if they make it on the Luxair livery!
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Isn't the windshiel a little too steep? Especially the part above the cockpit should be a little more curved. Nose could be little pointier too, longer strus on the undaercarriage? - just my two cents ....

The nose could be an oprical illusion due to the angle of photography.
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Old 06-29-2020, 09:25 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Crude comparison of the outlines of the NG and real 747s:

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- The transition between the cockpit and the nose is a little too angular; it should be more subtle and placed closer to the nose.
- Cockpit area is a little too steep.
- The nose should be slightly pointier.
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Watch it. Given the dimensions of the 747, even a slight angle in the profile changes a lot. In the reference picture not only the photo is taken from a lower angle, but also the entire aircraft is turned towards the viewer between 5 and 10 degrees. Now this turn may seem inconsequential but the cockpit is not the same shape at 0 degrees as it is at 10, as it isn’t at 90 either.
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Watch it. Given the dimensions of the 747, even a slight angle in the profile changes a lot. In the reference picture not only the photo is taken from a lower angle, but also the entire aircraft is turned towards the viewer between 5 and 10 degrees. Now this turn may seem inconsequential but the cockpit is not the same shape at 0 degrees as it is at 10, as it isn’t at 90 either.
Redo with this reference photo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:B..._AN1014030.jpg) taken at the exact same angle as the NG sample photo and of a 747SP for consistency's sake. My points still stand.
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First thing that caught my eye was the cockpit second the nose. This model has some tweaking to do before giving it the green light for production. Thanks Tcaeyx for those profile outlines.
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taken at the exact same angle as the NG sample photo
I don't think you can possibly know what that angle is. Never trust a single picture online, for colors, shapes, or anything. If the same profile shows up over multiple photos at different angles, then you can start to make a judgement.

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Watch it. Given the dimensions of the 747, even a slight angle in the profile changes a lot.
Exactly. In one of Tcaeyx's profile renderings, the initial upwards angle of the model starts below the real one, and in the other, it's above. So I don't think doing this exercise without knowing the actual angles involved is productive.
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I don't think you can possibly know what that angle is. Never trust a single picture online, for colors, shapes, or anything. If the same profile shows up over multiple photos at different angles, then you can start to make a judgement.



Exactly. In one of Tcaeyx's profile renderings, the initial upwards angle of the model starts below the real one, and in the other, it's above. So I don't think doing this exercise without knowing the actual angles involved is productive.
Okay. Just to cover my bases, I've made a couple of these diagrams with reference photos taken from slightly above and slightly below. Takes me about 30 sec to make each one, and am happy to make more (with a photo of your choosing) to show you that the minute differences in photo angle is trivial at this point, as the average of all these diagrams show the same problem.
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Okay. Just to cover my bases, I've made a couple of these diagrams with reference photos taken from slightly above and slightly below. Takes me about 30 sec to make each one, and am happy to make more (with a photo of your choosing) to show you that the minute differences in photo angle is trivial at this point, as the average of all these diagrams show the same problem.
You may ultimately be right, I'm not discounting that. But at this point, no matter how many reference photos you use, we only have a single photo of the model, and I'm not willing to make a judgement based on that single photo.
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Does a 747-400 nose profile compare to a 747 SP though ?
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Does a 747-400 nose profile compare to a 747 SP though ?
As far as I'm aware, everything forward of door 1 is the same (which is the only part concerning this discussion.)
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Watch it. Given the dimensions of the 747, even a slight angle in the profile changes a lot.
I agree with this point.

NG's L1011 was delayed months, as they worked to perfect it. This was due, in no small part, to RStretton's input. He and I sometimes have varying opinions on which moulds are better, etc. But, his work is always exacting and precise. It was because of his input that small but important tweaks were made on the TriStars. The #2 engine inlet fairing, the #1 and #3 pylons, the nose gear doors, just to name a few.

My point here is that RStretton will get a sample 747SP. I have confidence in his work and his eye for realism. The concerns about the nose shape will most certainly be addressed. The pylons too, I hope, as those are what most stood out to me in still needing some work. But, it doesn't concern me as yet, because the L1011 pylons were one of the final things fixed by NG, prior to the final tooling taking shape and being released.

I have to imagine the purpose of this thread was more of a check-in; a "here's the progress", more than a "here's the final thing".

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Thanks TransPac. NG have confirmed that they will be sending me a 3rd version of the SP in the next week or so. Hopefully it won't take forever to get to New Zealand. I'll do the usual write up for it with lots of photos and probably a video too.

Before then we have the new Y-20 Kunpeng mould, which I have already.
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Like the fact that so many take the time to input on this thread. Although the comparisons of the the model with various photos will never be an exact angle, they all have a common theme and hopefully they will have an influence on the final product. Awhile back we saw a photo of version one, what stood out to me was the curvature of the lower nose all the way back to the nose gear. This version 2 is much better, but still needs improvement in my opinion. I look forward to seeing version 3. Keep up the good work NG and please continue in letting the collectors have valuable input, it’s a win win situation for all involved. ToddCB
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Big Al took this pic at the LHR show last year. Sample 1 I take it? Nose seems ok on this one.

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Takes me about 30 sec to make each one, and am happy to make more (with a photo of your choosing).
I think these comparisons are good. I’m not saying the model is perfect. I’m pointing out though, that these comparison are very unfair when we don’t consider other factors aside from a simple profile picture. As you can see. The last comparison you made almost matches that of the model profile. But, the model profile is also affected by optics of a camera that who knows what lenses it was taken with. The fact is also, that small object photographed at close range are very affected by distortion. The last pictures though do show the 747 from
A distance, which also minimize distortion to their profiles.

These critiques though should result in the best mould possible going by the work they have done with other models.
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I agree with this point.

NG's L1011 was delayed months, as they worked to perfect it.
Thank you for pointing these details out also. The pylons are very important to me as well. Detailed focused here
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I agree with the points stated above, and I think NG Models will continue to refine their SP mould for the eventual release.



I think the HF antennas look a little thick? Perhaps this might be an area for further refinement as well, but I do recognize that if it gets any thinner, it'll be very delicate like the original BB/Aeroclassics 747 HF antennas.
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Big Al took this pic at the LHR show last year. Sample 1 I take it? Nose seems ok on this one.

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Redo with this reference photo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:B..._AN1014030.jpg) taken at the exact same angle as the NG sample photo and of a 747SP for consistency's sake. My points still stand.
If you overlay the purple line on the black you ain’t going to see much difference. Will this very minor issue cause you distress when viewing the model(when it arrives)? No big problem as far as I’m concerned.
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I have every confidence in both NG and Richard nailing this. So far alone just with this prototype,it's looking okay already. It far outshines Gemini's actual mould by a million miles and lke I said,this is still a mould in its early tweaking stages. The two pro's imho ( Stretton/NG) will pull this off I'm sure!! I rather they keep going over it with a fine tooth comb, until it's virtually perfect!! I can't wait!!
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I have every confidence in both NG and Richard nailing this. So far alone just with this prototype,it's looking okay already. It far outshines Gemini's actual mould by a million miles and lke I said,this is still a mould in its early tweaking stages. The two pro's imho ( Stretton/NG) will pull this off I'm sure!! I rather they keep going over it with a fine tooth comb, until it's virtually perfect!! I can't wait!!
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Big Al took this pic at the LHR show last year. Sample 1 I take it? Nose seems ok on this one.

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If you overlay the purple line on the black you ain’t going to see much difference. Will this very minor issue cause you distress when viewing the model(when it arrives)? No big problem as far as I’m concerned.
I've always placed the most weight on the nose of the airplane since it's the "face." Similar to looking at a wax figure at Madam Tussauds-- even if the face is slightly off, to me it's incredibly noticeable. With all the anticipation built up since they revealed the first iteration of the mould, I personally would've liked to see them refine the nose a little more considering they absolutely nailed the 757, but to each their own.

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From memory the main points of critique with that one were the nose shape and pylons.
I can see an issue with the pylons for sure. maybe it's my old eyes deceiving me but it seems to me the nose shape is better than the latter.
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Thanks TransPac. NG have confirmed that they will be sending me a 3rd version of the SP in the next week or so. Hopefully it won't take forever to get to New Zealand. I'll do the usual write up for it with lots of photos and probably a video too.

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Have they changed the wing mounting on this model? Aside from that it seemed pretty well done. Why would they do a cradle mount on it? It’s beyond me
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I'll certainly review the mould when it arrives, but don't make the mistake of believing that NG listen to my every word. I don't have a hotline to them. They have sometimes listened and sometimes not. The fact that this mould has gone through 2 versions now and I have yet to see one tells you they aren't taking my thoughts that seriously.
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Old 07-01-2020, 04:08 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I've always placed the most weight on the nose of the airplane since it's the "face." Similar to looking at a wax figure at Madam Tussauds-- even if the face is slightly off, to me it's incredibly noticeable. With all the anticipation built up since they revealed the first iteration of the mould, I personally would've liked to see them refine the nose a little more considering they absolutely nailed the 757, but to each their own.
I'm sure they'll get it right. They nailed the Tristar's nose which should tell you everything. How many centuries did it take the other model makers to refine this nose and they never did. NG came along and smashed it!! I'm confident but also( hoping to) that they get it perfect because it will set the correct shape for future 74 variants. I'm sure our friend Mr Stretton will not let any obvious flaws go by unchecked!
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I'll certainly review the mould when it arrives, but don't make the mistake of believing that NG listen to my every word. I don't have a hotline to them. They have sometimes listened and sometimes not. The fact that this mould has gone through 2 versions now and I have yet to see one tells you they aren't taking my thoughts that seriously.
I know what you mean. I mentioned the Tristar's rear engine missing the metal ring plate ( on the exhaust section) which should be the same as the two wing mounted engines. That didn't get addressed and it also took me all those posts on here addressing the well hub grooves,which I had to again show the difference in photos in a recent thread. There was no acknowledgement of this by NG so I'm hoping they saw it and are bashing some heads in the factory!! Lol!
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