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Old 05-14-2020, 05:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Gotta love opening up a relatively new GeminiJets model from storage to discover its suffering from zinc rot

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Did You try to straighten the wings ?
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That's tragic.
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Did You try to straighten the wings ?
If by straighten you mean to ask if I pulled on the wings then no. I opened the flap on the box as Gemini boxes have and noticed the wings had fallen off.
Once I opened the box properly I realized the whole wing section was crumbling.
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This is symbolic of the airline industry this year
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2010 release.
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i've nothing to say except for OOF
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Fear not, you have 514241181224 other Gemini Jet EK releases to chose from. I'm sure there'll be more next month aswell 😉
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At least it was only an A380. They're all being decommissioned anyway. Ooh, bam!
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Fear not, you have 514241181224 other Gemini Jet EK releases to chose from. I'm sure there'll be more next month aswell 😉
Looks like just a plain old Emirates A380. No Expo, no special colours. Just plain old EK. Those are tough to find
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Shattered like a dish! What a shame!
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The wings are gone, but the fuselage and horizontal stabilizers look ok though.
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I guess it could always be re-purposed in a crash diorama.
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straight out of Air Crash Investigation.... such a sorry sight...
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Kinda par for the Skypig....sorry bout your model.
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If this is zinc rot it is a bit worrying as I thought it was restricted to a specific earlier era?
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This does looks like classic zinc rot. Notice the cracked paint on both wings.
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How old is that model, i.e. which release, what date?
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How old is that model, i.e. which release, what date?
2010 release.
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Old 05-15-2020, 09:22 AM   #20 (permalink)
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My Condolences. I have the earlier A6-EDA release which thankfully is still OK. Fingers Crossed.
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If this is zinc rot it is a bit worrying as I thought it was restricted to a specific earlier era?
In general yes, but the GJ Alaska 737-700 Portland Timbers model is also known to be affected, and it was produced in 2012. First I've heard of an 2010 release having this problem though.
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I forgot about the Portland Timbers zinc rot issue. Now I gotta check early A380s for damages...
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Did Gemini ever consider to deliver a full replacement production run for this? Let me guess... NO!

Now that zinc rot seems to be occur on a very limited number of occasions, I assume the could afford such an act of acknowledging their customers’ trust and loyalty.
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The Gemini Alaska Portland Timbers 737 zinc rot was a gut punch. When I initially read about the zinc rot, I checked my model, still in the box, and it looked ok. However I checked it again a few months later and you could clearly see the sagging in the wings and the tell-tale signs of paint crack. I've never taken it out of the cradle and it will stay there as a sad reminder that Gemini delivered an entire batch of turd models. I hope that NG makes a -700 version of its 737-800 mould one day and eventually re-does this beautiful livery.
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Wow many of you replied! I had not expected such an audience on this post haha.

So I've been collecting for a long time now, though I initially started with 1:500 I've since switched to 1:400.
I remember if any 1:500 model ever had an issue Herpa would just send a free replacement just like that, no questions asked.
A while back I bought an NG model tristar and it arrived with weird chips/paint bubbles on its tail. I messaged NG about it and, though it took them a few months, they eventually gave me a 30% discount on my next NG model at my local shop!

I've send this model to Gemini as well, but they seem to have simply ignored the message lol
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What part of the world do you live in Matt? I’ve heard that warm and humid climates accelerate zinc rot.
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What part of the world do you live in Matt? I’ve heard that warm and humid climates accelerate zinc rot.
Disregarding his location, zinc rot wouldn't and shouldn't occur if the basic material's quality was as it should have been. We are talking about a phenomenon that only occurs if faulty raw material was used. The manufacturer should feel committed to his products and take-over responsibilty for what he delivers. It's that simple.
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What part of the world do you live in Matt? I’ve heard that warm and humid climates accelerate zinc rot.
I'm from the Netherlands. I definitely wouldn't call it warm here hahaha, humidity is probably moderate here.

Regardless I think zinc rot has more to do with the material used to create the model rather than the way its stored. If a model is made with a bad alloy it will rot eventually no matter the condition at which its stored.
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Clearly the manufacturers don't intend to produce models with zinc rot, its just a fault within the process, but they should acknowledge the mistakes and refund purchasers.
Though I guess the reality is that it could create real financial hardship, could doing so even bankrupt them? So morally there isn't even an argument, but practically there might be.
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Clearly the manufacturers don't intend to produce models with zinc rot, its just a fault within the process, but they should acknowledge the mistakes and refund purchasers.
Though I guess the reality is that it could create real financial hardship, could doing so even bankrupt them? So morally there isn't even an argument, but practically there might be.
It's one thing to have something defective at original purchase, but I don't think it's reasonable for any manufacturer to refund anyone for 10-20 year old purchases due to an unforeseen event. I know a couple of luggage brands that have lifetime warranties to fix or replace a damaged item, but those are built into the price at the front end, and I doubt we want that.
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What part of the world do you live in Matt? I’ve heard that warm and humid climates accelerate zinc rot.
Has nothing to do with humidity as Zinc Rot is not a chemical reaction.

The culprit Metal impurities cause the different metal-crystalline structures to expand and contract at different rates when exposed to changing temperatures. The different rates of expansion and contraction results in cracks in the structure. Eventually the repeated cracking disintegrates the structure entirely.

So don’t store your models in the attic and perhaps even avoid shipping them during the winter.
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First of all, that sucks, and I truly feel for the op. I have a few "rot" cases I plan on going public with here eventually. It really is just part of the hobby, the longer you collect, the more you learn.

I think that collectors have a right to demand quality products for the price. Often times we talk about mould quality, build quality, paint quality, and the like. I think that it's not unreasonable to want these models to last a lifetime and be something that can be passed down through friends, family or sold off. I don't think collectors should have to worry about something so solid deteriorating into nothing over the course of 5-10 years. That being said, there are certain things are and are not in direct control of the brands that order and distribute these models. Bottom line is, the brands/owners of these model distribution companies have way more sway power than the average collector does over the production of these pieces, the bast thing I think we can do is put pressure on the brands/owners buy buying the products we trust. If your trust in Gemini is dashed after seeing this, then don't buy their product and or, write to the manufacturer. You may not get a response, but how can the situation be corrected if you don't try to communicate?

I will also add that an educated collectorate could be another great weapon against this sort of thing. As I've mentioned before, it is not without our collective right (or ability) to catalogue and keep track of which models from which moulds from which eras and which manufactures tend to carry a risk in purchase factor. Knowledge is power.
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From what I have been told there was a 3 month span 10 years ago where Gemini temporarily used another very popular 400 scale factory for production. It affects 6-8 models produced during that time.

Yes it is due to a contamination during production. The good news is everyone can relax as the rest of their collections should be fine as it was limited to those models only. However no one can predict what will happen 10 years from now too. Just look whats going on today, no one predicted this 3 months ago. There will be a few cronic Gemini haters who will drag this thread on and on to keep in in the limelight about how this is totally inexcusable, and seek financial restitution but it is just an unfortunate incident.

As for a financial responsibility dennypane said it best that a manufacturer should not held liable 10 years later. It was not Geminis intent to make a defective model. If one feels this is a money grab, then by all means they should not purchase any models further from Gemini.
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From what I have been told there was a 3 month span 10 years ago where Gemini temporarily used another very popular 400 scale factory for production. It affects 6-8 models produced during that time.

Yes it is due to a contamination during production. The good news is everyone can relax as the rest of their collections should be fine as it was limited to those models only. However no one can predict what will happen 10 years from now too. Just look whats going on today, no one predicted this 3 months ago. There will be a few cronic Gemini haters who will drag this thread on and on to keep in in the limelight about how this is totally inexcusable, and seek financial restitution but it is just an unfortunate incident.

As for a financial responsibility dennypane said it best that a manufacturer should not held liable 10 years later. It was not Geminis intent to make a defective model. If one feels this is a money grab, then by all means they should not purchase any models further from Gemini.
Long story told short: it's not about intention, it's about dedication and commitment, and - therefore - about taking over responsibility.

As you said before, we are talking a very short period within a looooong time span, and - furthermore - about very few models among several hundreds or even a thousand examples. A company that is committed to its products and makes big money of the business should definitely consider refunds/replacements. It'd be for the good of all - even the company itself.
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Matt walks warily down the hall
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Was he ready, hey, was he ready for this?
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Another one bites the zinc rot dust
Another one bites the zinc rot dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the zinc rot dust
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The loss is tragic. Especially on such an iconic (standard livery) version!

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It's one thing to have something defective at original purchase, but I don't think it's reasonable for any manufacturer to refund anyone for 10-20 year old purchases due to an unforeseen event. I know a couple of luggage brands that have lifetime warranties to fix or replace a damaged item, but those are built into the price at the front end, and I doubt we want that.
Actually... with some key model purchases, I probably wouldn't mind them building in the cost of replacing with an identical model 10-20 years down the track. If it's a model that matters, at least I know I could continue to admire at one many years down the track. It's way better than any other sort of insurance that can be purchased (because insurance still means the model is lost and no money can buy you one again - unless it didn't affect the whole batch, etc.).

But is it feasible for the manufacturer? Of course not. Even for luggages, they would simply replace with the nearest product offering at the time. You can't quite replace a nearest offering of a scale model (different airline or aircraft or livery? Not quite one would hope for). Nor is it feasible for the manufacturer to reprint a single aircraft in old colours for one customer.
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