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Old 05-06-2020, 01:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all, I'm pretty new here and to model aircraft collecting. Just building up my fleet.

I'm looking at a 2006 model year Aeroclassics CV-880. Seller has noted some paint uneveness on the bottom of the aircraft. Any thoughts whether this is just paint uneveness or the possible start of a much graver problem (zinc rot, etc.)?

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p.s. been Googling for a comprehensive zinc rot records list. Seems like there is none? There's been a few threads which tried to start it some 10 years back but they never really took off. Would've been a pretty handy tool in this game.
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Hi all, I'm pretty new here and to model aircraft collecting. Just building up my fleet.

I'm looking at a 2006 model year Aeroclassics CV-880. Seller has noted some paint uneveness on the bottom of the aircraft. Any thoughts whether this is just paint uneveness or the possible start of a much graver problem (zinc rot, etc.)?

Thanks!

p.s. been Googling for a comprehensive zinc rot records list. Seems like there is none? There's been a few threads which tried to start it some 10 years back but they never really took off. Would've been a pretty handy tool in this game.
I don't think that is anything. Most models from the original zinc rot period I'd have thought would be showing significant deterioration by now.
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Zinc rot? I’ve never seen it on my Convairs 880 or 990s. Zinc rot affected mostly Boeing 737 models.
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Thanks both. Will take it as just a bit of paint unevenness then.
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Considering the magnification, even that paint unevenness would not be visible by the naked eye, which is my standard.
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You'll know if you have a zinc rot model.

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Cheers. Seeing all the zinc rot photos are saddening. I've seen plenty in my search, but wasn't sure what it would look like at the very beginning before cracks occur and the whole model disintegrates. I was worried the bubbles are the beginning of a much bigger issue. If they came like that and won't worsen then I would agree it's not a big issue.
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My models that have zinc rot are all bent out of shape with chipped paint. The most "recent" one I had was the Delta 717, the first Air Tran 717 Delta got
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Its interesting that you would suggest some record keeping of which models may be impacted by "the rot." As I've been going though my collection the past few weeks (with all the extra time Covid-19 self quartering has allowed) I've stumbled upon a few cases myself and thought that cataloging cases would be a good idea. I imagine the members on here could really generate some better understanding of how widespread the issue is. It is hard to know that one day you may open a box to find a crumbling piece of art. One thing that eases the reality is knowing there are many others on here who worry and deal with the same frustrations. All part of the deal.
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Thankfully only had one Zinc rot plane in my years of collecting, that was my Air Tanzania 737-200 - broke my heart as it was the one with a giraffe on the tail.

It was an unfortunate thing, but I don't blame anyone, its not as though anyone manufacturer intended that to happen.
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Zinc rot is 'uncontrolled decompression' in 1/400. A list compiled by L-1011-Heavy follows, with recent additions. Doug

AeroClassics:
Balkan TU-154 LZ-BTT
AC Air China B767-300 B2558
Shanghai Airlines N-767-300 B-2570
China Southern B-767-300 B-2564
Canadian B-767-300 CF-TCA
Aer Lingus B-767-300 St. Ibar EI-CAM
Aer Lingus B-767-300 St. Aiden EI-CAL
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Lufthansa 720B Del D-ABOH
Northwest B720 N721US
Olympic B720 Axious River SX-DBG

PanAm B707-321 N757PA (Doug Seeley)
Varig 707-420 del PP-VJA
Varig 707-420 winds of roses PP-VJJ
Lufthansa 707-420 All 3 Versions?
B-737-200 Pacific Western 1970s C-GCPW
B-737-200 Pacific Western 1980s C-GKPW
B-737-200 Canadian /Pacific Western Hybrid C-GLPW
B-737-200 Air Tanzania Serengeti 5H-ARK
B-737-200 Air Tanzania Kilimanjaro 5H-ATC
B-737-200 CP-Air Empress Of Toronto C-GCPV
B-737-200 CP-Air Empress Of Montreal C-GCPZ
B-737-200 Canadian/Canadien Pacifique Empress Of San Francisco C- GCPM
B-737-200 Canadian/Canadien Pacifique Empress Of Quebec City C-GQBB
B-737-200 Eastern Provincial Airways Del C-GEPA
B-737-200 Quebecair White Belly C-GQBA
B-737-200 Quebecair Silver Belly C-GQBH


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BB400 Delta 737-200 Power Puff
BB400 Cathay Pacific B747-400 "1980s" Colors
BB400 JAA B747 "Resocha--yellow"
BB400 JAL B747-400 "Disney No.4"
BB400 JAL B747-400 "Disney No.5"
BB400 UPS B767-300 Panda Express
BB400 UPS B767-300 Olympic
BB400 Northwest Orient B747-400


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DW Continental Airlines DC10-30 N37077 (Doug Seeley)
DW Japan Airlines B747-300 "Super Resort Express-Okinawa" Colors
DW Lufthansa B747-400 Hannover Expo
DW U-Land MD-82
DW Singapore B777-200 "1990s" Colors
Philippines A-340
Northwest A-320

Herpa:
Herpa Royal Jordanian A310

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Alaska Airlines B 737-790WL N607AS Portland Timbers GJASA1063 (dennypayne)


Jet-X:
United Airlines B777-200 N777UA (Doug Seeley)

Phoenix:
PX Air Namibia MD-11

SMAC:
SMAC Aloha 737-200 N808AL (Michael Magdaleno)
SMA Continental 737-200 New Colors
SMA Federal Express 737-200 Old Colors
B-737-200 Varig
B-737-200 KLM
B-737-200 Delta Widget
B-727-200 United Airlines Mainliner (Doug Seeley)


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Done, anyone else with additions?

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Done, anyone else with additions?
SMAC Aloha 737-200 N808AL.
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Wow!! BigBird JAL Disneys, DW LH Hannover Expo, and SMAC Federal Express B732 were models I used to bid heavily on on eBay only to lose out every time. Maybe it was for the better....

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I question some of those listed under AeroClassics; many are news to me.

Perhaps the author of that list mistook chipped paint or minor paint bubbling for zinc rot.
Those AC models which did suffer, as well as some SMAC models, were all re-released from a different factory, with a lot more integrity!
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Yeah my poor Lufthansa Boeing 720 was a victim as well. So I got the 1:200 to replace it
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SMAC never made any 727-200s so B-727-200 United Airlines Mainliner was actually made for AURORA Models by AC.

Only a few months ago I got a Vietnam Airlines 767-300 with half the wing snapped off in a very suspicious manner that suggested zinc-rot to me.

Likewise I have several SMAC 737s (SAHSA and United Saul Bass) that have suffered seeming rot of the maingear only, whilst the rest of the aircraft is fine.
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SMAC never made any 727-200s so B-727-200 United Airlines Mainliner was actually made for AURORA Models by AC.
I need an editor! 727 was a typo, and I corrected it to 737-200. Doug
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Does that mean if you have one of those it definitely "will" succumb to zinc rot?

At present my Aeroclassics Varig 707-420 is fine, with no sign of rot. Surely, if it was to be affected, having all being made at the same time, it would have rotted by now? Genuine question? Or is it just a matter of luck?
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Does that mean if you have one of those it definitely "will" succumb to zinc rot?

At present my Aeroclassics Varig 707-420 is fine, with no sign of rot. Surely, if it was to be affected, having all being made at the same time, it would have rotted by now? Genuine question? Or is it just a matter of luck?
Good question, and it's not a matter if luck. I would think that an entire production lot for a particular run wouldn't necessarily be poured from the same batch of zinc, however I'm not at all sure about that, and others on the forum have more knowledge. If the zinc was contaminated, it's a matter of when, not if. That being said, it seems environmental factors such heat and humidity conditions in which a model is stored, do have an effect on the speed and degree of rot. And as Richard stated above, sometimes only individual parts are effected - landing gear, or in some of my models, engine nacelles alone. These smaller parts can sometimes be replaced. When wings and fuselage are attacked, the model is a goner.

Finally, for me, the list is only a warning for a particular model - a 'heads-up' that alerts me to ask the seller to take a closer look at a model for sale. I have bought models where zinc rot was well under way, and not noticed or mentioned by the seller. In those instances, the seller has made partial or full refunds, especially here on DA.C sales. Again, good question, Doug
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Likewise I have several SMAC 737s (SAHSA and United Saul Bass) that have suffered seeming rot of the maingear only, whilst the rest of the aircraft is fine.
That's what happen to my Delta and Aloha 737.
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The very first Lufthansa 707 is still good. The only Lufthansa I’ve had with the zinc rot is the Boeing 720. So I am hoping that 707 and the other 400 series remain stable.
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I've heard of no issues with any of the LH 707s. The LH 720 crumbled to dust, and was re-released once AeroClassics moved to a more reputable factory. Same goes for all those affected 737s included those released by SMAC, as well as the other 720s. There were no issues with B.767-300s, so not sure why they are even on the list.
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One interesting thing about the SMA Federal Express 737 is that there is no main deck cargo door, at least I haven't seen it on any of the photos
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Andrew, if you could release a Federal Express 737 with the cargo door on it that would be perfect. Doesn't matter what tail number. Any between N201FE and N206FE will do. Keep in mind there was no N202FE.... it was missing even with the New 727-200's that were delivered in 1984.
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Andrew, if you could release a Federal Express 737 with the cargo door on it that would be perfect. Doesn't matter what tail number. Any between N201FE and N206FE will do. Keep in mind there was no N202FE.... it was missing even with the New 727-200's that were delivered in 1984.
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I've heard of no issues with any of the LH 707s.

Here is my AC18035 Lufthansa B 707-430 D-ABOF. I have two, each with one affected engine, so I'm fine, and can switch engines. No other areas of either model has any problems. I'm big on Lufthansa and AeroClassics, and the two seem to go together. Keep 'em flying, Doug


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Perfect. That was the first one I worked when I hired in.
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Perfect. That was the first one I worked when I hired in. Thank you so much.
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Here is my AC18035 Lufthansa B 707-430 D-ABOF. I have two, each with one affected engine, so I'm fine, and can switch engines. No other areas of either model has any problems. I'm big on Lufthansa and AeroClassics, and the two seem to go together. Keep 'em flying, Doug


Ouch, that's really odd.
Let me ask around if anyone has a bad 707 with good engines. Maybe we can swap one or two out for you, but it won't have the LH logo on it. I'll let you know if I find anything.
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Thanks, Andrew, and if you come across any extra engines, that would be much appreciated. But I do have the two models, and one can easily be parted out as a donor for the other. These early AeroClassics 707s are gems. Thanks again, Doug
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Here is my AC18035 Lufthansa B 707-430 D-ABOF. I have two, each with one affected engine, so I'm fine, and can switch engines. No other areas of either model has any problems. I'm big on Lufthansa and AeroClassics, and the two seem to go together. Keep 'em flying, Doug
Just took a closer look at mine. Three engines affected. Not quite as bad as yours.
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Thankfully my Varig 707-420 is as good as ever, no sign of any cracking whatsoever.
Its one of my favourites, so am mightily relieved.
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If there's sufficient interest, could we perhaps start a new thread dedicated to reporting of zinc rot affected 1:400 models and have it pinned? Ideally no discussion should take place in that thread (and be deleted by mods). Each new person who reports should copy and paste the previous list and add to it (ideally in alphabetical order). A separate thread should be started if they'd like to discuss/mourn about the loss.

Sorting should be by brand, then airline as previously done. A/C type and registration should also be required.

@Doug - that's a pretty good list you have there from L-1011-Heavy. I see a few extras within the list that was posted and discussed in this 2008 thread https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com...-zinc-rot.html . Sadly that thread only lasted for a week and two days.

If we start a new thread, I'd be happy to do the first consolidation if needed.

I'm new here, so will leave the decision to the veterans. Cheers.
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Welcome aboard, hiki08. I like your ideas, and second them - up to the moderators at this point. There certainly would be discussion, and there are gray areas, such as the slight paint bubbling with which you started this thread - there are varying degrees of zinc rot, and paint bubbling is often thought to be a separate issue. Again though, I surely do like your idea, Doug
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Welcome aboard, hiki08. I like your ideas, and second them - up to the moderators at this point. There certainly would be discussion, and there are gray areas, such as the slight paint bubbling with which you started this thread - there are varying degrees of zinc rot, and paint bubbling is often thought to be a separate issue. Again though, I surely do like your idea, Doug
Thanks Doug.

Definitely true as to how people classify zinc rot, or other paint issues. Not sure how to resolve this other than to perhaps include a few photos in the first few posts showing what is, and what is not, considered to be zinc rot (as some sort of guidance).

Essentially I think any issue which would cause the model to slowly degrade should be included. Whereas, a bit of paint unevenness which is there from the start and which in itself will not degrade over time should not be included.

On this topic, it would probably also help if people included a brief description of the location and maybe severity of the problem.

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Zinc rot is 'uncontrolled decompression' in 1/400. A list compiled by L-1011-Heavy follows, with recent additions. Doug

AeroClassics:
Balkan TU-154 LZ-BTT
AC Air China B767-300 B2558
Shanghai Airlines N-767-300 B-2570
China Southern B-767-300 B-2564
Canadian B-767-300 CF-TCA
Aer Lingus B-767-300 St. Ibar EI-CAM
Aer Lingus B-767-300 St. Aiden EI-CAL
AC Pakistan Airlines B720 AP-AMG
Lufthansa 720B Del D-ABOH
Northwest B720 N721US
Olympic B720 Axious River SX-DBG

PanAm B707-321 N757PA (Doug Seeley)
TWA 707-320 del N761TW
TWA 707-320 N763TW
Condor 707-420 D-ABOC
Varig 707-420 del PP-VJA
Varig 707-420 winds of roses PP-VJJ
Lufthansa 707-420 All 3 Versions?
B-737-200 Pacific Western 1970s C-GCPW
B-737-200 Pacific Western 1980s C-GKPW
B-737-200 Canadian /Pacific Western Hybrid C-GLPW
B-737-200 Air Tanzania Serengeti 5H-ARK
B-737-200 Air Tanzania Kilimanjaro 5H-ATC
B-737-200 CP-Air Empress Of Toronto C-GCPV
B-737-200 CP-Air Empress Of Montreal C-GCPZ
B-737-200 Canadian/Canadien Pacifique Empress Of San Francisco C- GCPM
B-737-200 Canadian/Canadien Pacifique Empress Of Quebec City C-GQBB
B-737-200 Eastern Provincial Airways Del C-GEPA
B-737-200 Quebecair White Belly C-GQBA
B-737-200 Quebecair Silver Belly C-GQBH


BigBird400:
BB400 Delta 737-200 Power Puff
BB400 Cathay Pacific B747-400 "1980s" Colors
BB400 JAA B747 "Resocha--yellow"
BB400 JAL B747-400 "Disney No.4"
BB400 JAL B747-400 "Disney No.5"
BB400 UPS B767-300 Panda Express
BB400 UPS B767-300 Olympic
BB400 Northwest Orient B747-400


Dragon Wings:
DW Continental Airlines DC10-30 N37077 (Doug Seeley)
DW Japan Airlines B747-300 "Super Resort Express-Okinawa" Colors
DW Lufthansa B747-400 Hannover Expo
DW U-Land MD-82
DW Singapore B777-200 "1990s" Colors
Philippines A-340
Northwest A-320

Herpa:
Herpa Royal Jordanian A310

Gemini Jets
Alaska Airlines B 737-790WL N607AS Portland Timbers GJASA1063 (dennypayne)


Jet-X:
United Airlines B777-200 N777UA (Doug Seeley)


Pan Am Models:
Pan American 707-321 N757PA Clipper Freedom
Pan American 707-321 N725PA Clipper America

Phoenix:
PX Air Namibia MD-11

SMAC:
SMAC Aloha 737-200 N808AL (Michael Magdaleno)
SMA Continental 737-200 New Colors
SMA Federal Express 737-200 Old Colors
B-737-200 Varig
B-737-200 KLM
B-737-200 Western Indian Head
B-737-200 Delta Widget
B-737-200 United Airlines Mainliner (Doug Seeley)




I have added:

SMA030402 B-737-200 Western Indian Head(2003) to the list. Wings bending upward.

Aeroclassics AC18043 B707-320 TWA Delivery Livery Pre-Globes. Fuselage cracking.

Aeroclassics AC18043B B707-320 TWA Globes. Fuselage cracking.

Aeroclassics AC18030 B707-420 Condor. Cracking Engines.

Pan Am Models PAAMC001 B-707-320 Pan American Cracking Fuselage, Engines

Pan Am Models PAAMC002 B-707-320 Pan American Cracking Fuselage, Engines
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You can also add:

Gemini Jets/Schuco MD-11 LTU

I had two, one disintegrated.
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Zinc rot is 'uncontrolled decompression' in 1/400. A list compiled by L-1011-Heavy follows, with recent additions. Doug

AeroClassics:
Balkan TU-154 LZ-BTT
AC Air China B767-300 B2558
Shanghai Airlines N-767-300 B-2570
China Southern B-767-300 B-2564
Canadian B-767-300 CF-TCA
Aer Lingus B-767-300 St. Ibar EI-CAM
Aer Lingus B-767-300 St. Aiden EI-CAL
AC Pakistan Airlines B720 AP-AMG
Lufthansa 720B Del D-ABOH
Northwest B720 N721US
Olympic B720 Axious River SX-DBG

PanAm B707-321 N757PA (Doug Seeley)
TWA 707-320 del N761TW
TWA 707-320 N763TW
Condor 707-420 D-ABOC
Varig 707-420 del PP-VJA
Varig 707-420 winds of roses PP-VJJ
Lufthansa 707-420 All 3 Versions?
B-737-200 Pacific Western 1970s C-GCPW
B-737-200 Pacific Western 1980s C-GKPW
B-737-200 Canadian /Pacific Western Hybrid C-GLPW
B-737-200 Air Tanzania Serengeti 5H-ARK
B-737-200 Air Tanzania Kilimanjaro 5H-ATC
B-737-200 CP-Air Empress Of Toronto C-GCPV
B-737-200 CP-Air Empress Of Montreal C-GCPZ
B-737-200 Canadian/Canadien Pacifique Empress Of San Francisco C- GCPM
B-737-200 Canadian/Canadien Pacifique Empress Of Quebec City C-GQBB
B-737-200 Eastern Provincial Airways Del C-GEPA
B-737-200 Quebecair White Belly C-GQBA
B-737-200 Quebecair Silver Belly C-GQBH


BigBird400:
BB400 Delta 737-200 Power Puff
BB400 Cathay Pacific B747-400 "1980s" Colors
BB400 JAA B747 "Resocha--yellow"
BB400 JAL B747-400 "Disney No.4"
BB400 JAL B747-400 "Disney No.5"
BB400 UPS B767-300 Panda Express
BB400 UPS B767-300 Olympic
BB400 Northwest Orient B747-400


Dragon Wings:
DW Continental Airlines DC10-30 N37077 (Doug Seeley)
DW Japan Airlines B747-300 "Super Resort Express-Okinawa" Colors
DW Lufthansa B747-400 Hannover Expo
DW U-Land MD-82
DW Singapore B777-200 "1990s" Colors
Philippines A-340
Northwest A-320

Herpa:
Herpa Royal Jordanian A310

Gemini Jets
Alaska Airlines B 737-790WL N607AS Portland Timbers GJASA1063 (dennypayne)

LTU MD-11 D-AERZ


Jet-X:
United Airlines B777-200 N777UA (Doug Seeley)


Pan Am Models:
Pan American 707-321 N757PA Clipper Freedom
Pan American 707-321 N725PA Clipper America

Phoenix:
PX Air Namibia MD-11

SMAC:
SMAC Aloha 737-200 N808AL (Michael Magdaleno)
SMA Continental 737-200 New Colors
SMA Federal Express 737-200 Old Colors
B-737-200 Varig
B-737-200 KLM
B-737-200 Western Indian Head
B-737-200 Delta Widget
B-737-200 United Airlines Mainliner (Doug Seeley)

Added Schuco/GJ MD-11

Oddly enough, My BB Power Puff 737 and SMA Varig 732 are both fine.
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Adding to the list
Aeroclassics Olympic Airways B 737-284A SX-BCA

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This is not my model, photo from the Internet.

I really hope for a re-release of this
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I have these:
Gemini Jets Qantas B767-300 VH-ZXB "Socceroos - 2006" Colors.
Gemini Jets Qantas B767-300 VH-OGL "Wallibies - Rugby" Colors.

You can see the bow in the fuselage

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Its interesting that you would suggest some record keeping of which models may be impacted by "the rot."
Is it possible to clean up this thread, rename it and sticky it?
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Aeroclassics Interflug TU-154M DDR-SFB

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Stumbled upon another one

Gemini Jets China Southern Airlines B 737-5Y0 B-2548

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Out of interest, are the majority of models succumbing stored in boxes? Or in the open?

Just wondered if storage and lack of air added to the deterioration.
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Out of interest, are the majority of models succumbing stored in boxes? Or in the open?

Just wondered if storage and lack of air added to the deterioration.
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All my zinc rot were on models in a display case.
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