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Old 04-16-2020, 07:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Any chance of the BAe ATP in 1/400?

I see others are asking for their holy grails so live in some hope someone may fancy making the BAe ATP eventually. Although only 65 of them ever made it wore some interesting liveries in it's time. Anyone else out there hoping for this one? The MANX and Emerald Airways ones are my holy grails if they ever got made, managed to get a MANX version in 1/200.

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SE-MHH | BAe ATP(F) | West Atlantic Cargo Airlines by cv880m, on Flickr

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Old 04-16-2020, 07:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I would choose the United Express and British Airways.
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It's got props. I'm in.
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I've been wanting the ATP for years, I flew on them several times, including on the BA Landor one that stayed Landor years after even the Utopia tails were being standardised to Chatham Dockyard, and hey the Utopia tails give us more options too.
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Old 04-17-2020, 01:00 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I'd be in too but the chance of this is close to zero. Interestingly there is one available on Shapeways on 1:400 scale and I saw on Facebook someone had made a decent West Air freighter example using it.
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12 liveries....possible chance of it being made. Looks tail heavy though.
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I for one would absolutely love an ATP so keeping fingers crossed!
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The nearest similar style airframe you can get to the BAe ATR is the SAAB 340, but it is obviously much smaller.
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Plenty of schemes and would be a nice BA collection addition.
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Old 04-17-2020, 05:15 AM   #10 (permalink)
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It would be awesome to see a bae ATP in 1/400 but sadly because there are not many liveries of it I cant see it being made by an official manufacturer. The shapeways version looks really good but I dont possess the skills to make one. If there is someone who would be willing to make one though I would be very interested in buying it.
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It would be awesome to see a bae ATP in 1/400 but sadly because there are not many liveries of it I cant see it being made by an official manufacturer. The shapeways version looks really good but I dont possess the skills to make one. If there is someone who would be willing to make one though I would be very interested in buying it.
And yet aircraft with even less livery options are done as models. Antonov-225 and Beluga XL for starters...
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Old 04-17-2020, 07:48 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Yes there is a number of additional liveries to the above as well, I included a selection but if you like obscure Scandinavian cargo airlines I've really missed out many. There is also Merpati and a few others. As Al mentioned never mind the numerous BA world tails. As mentioned other aircraft have been done with much less livery options and size wise it is bigger than the Saab 340 and should measure up closer to the ATR 72. The Shapeways model is interesting and the West Atlantic example someone has done looks great, but would need someone with those skills to be able to make that work for me!
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Great fun reading available here, although not necessarily "kind" to the ATP. Some of the many acronyms are good though.

https://www.pprune.org/aviation-hist...hat-wrong.html
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I'd certainly love to get these three BA Regional/Loganair examples, all of which I flew on to either Belfast City or Stornoway back in the 90's and early 2000's. G-MANL was still in Landor livery when I last flew on her in 2005.

And also the Loganair liveried ATP, which I remember seeing before they transferred to Manx of Isle of Man.

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12 liveries....possible chance of it being made. Looks tail heavy though.
Yeah their solution to making it air bridge capable was to extend the nose gear !
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And yet aircraft with even less livery options are done as models. Antonov-225 and Beluga XL for starters...
Exactly - everyone always seems to want to throw out the 'limited liveries' argument for why something won't get made, and there's plenty of examples where that isn't the case.

I've said it before, but I really think what drives most manufacturers to make something is simply that the owners themselves want to do it. Whether it's from their own memories or just fondness for a certain type. Sure, whether it will sell or not is a part of the equation, but I really don't think that's the primary driver. Why else would we have a Handley-Page Herald, or the 4th iteration of an A350 coming?

It seems to be 'conventional wisdom' that a new mould costs $10-20k to produce. I put 'conventional wisdom' in quotes because that number has been bandied about a lot, but I've yet to see concrete evidence that it's actually correct.

So, regarding the ATP. An HS748 mould already exists (two of them, actually). I'm curious if it would cost as much to tweak an existing mould, or if it truly would be another full mould development process to create the ATP. Either way, I'm always in favor of new types and would certainly pick up some of these suggestions.
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Would love to have an ATP mould made by NG models or someone of that quality.
I remember seeing the BA landor livery, British Midland Manx ATP's at Heathrow when I was a kid.
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The reason this won't get made isn't because it is rare. It is because it is a prop and small. Both of those things count against sales figures. There is very little interest in props. That is a shame but is reflected in a variety of stats I have seen.

Do you think that an AN-225 is less appealing to a young Chinese buyer than a tiny ATP? Course it isn't and that is sadly why you need manufacturers who are making the models for themselves as much for collectors (i.e. Aeroclassics) to see this kind of thing. To be fair to NG there is a very lucrative reason they are making an A350 and it has nothing to do with liking the model. The A350 must represent a good 15% or so of all sales in this scale so NG grabbing a chunk of that makes sense.

In regards to the ATP vs HS 748 they are actually pretty different so I don't think you can retool the existing mould.
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Old 04-19-2020, 03:04 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Were sales figured bad for the Shorts 360 models out there? Whenever I've seen a BA Landor shorts 360 on ebay the price has always been quite high (and they seem to sell)
I always find it nice when something different is modelled rather than the manufacturers producing the same products.
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In general the range of turbo props in 1/400 is very limited. Even if a mould exists (ATR 42, SF 340) it is rarely used. It's a real shame.
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Were sales figured bad for the Shorts 360 models out there? Whenever I've seen a BA Landor shorts 360 on ebay the price has always been quite high (and they seem to sell)
I always find it nice when something different is modelled rather than the manufacturers producing the same products.
That's a very good point, only 165 shorts 360 aircraft were made and Gemini only made a few liveries. As of now a BAE atp is very unlikely to be made but who knows. As the phrase goes, never say never.
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In general the range of turbo props in 1/400 is very limited. Even if a mould exists (ATR 42, SF 340) it is rarely used. It's a real shame.
Add CV580 to that list.
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and Air Ostrava

Saw one outside the Paintshop at EMA

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