My understanding of the previous Court Line releases were that the colours weren't quite right and there were errors in the applications, especially of the control surfaces. The geminijets, which was the first release of the yellow version I think had the colours correct but never got that when it came out. Indeed, in the 20 years or so of collecting 1/400 the NG models are my first Tristars!
Court Line were seen as a European Braniff with there multi-coloured aircraft. Great schemes for their day. IIRC there was a suggestion that a third Tristar was ordered and, if delivered, would appear in the green version.
The two planes were named Halcyon Days (Yellow) and Halcyon Breeze (Pink). I hope all this talk of these two planes will ultimately result in their release...
My understanding of the previous Court Line releases were that the colours weren't quite right and there were errors in the applications, especially of the control surfaces. The geminijets, which was the first release of the yellow version I think had the colours correct but never got that when it came out. Indeed, in the 20 years or so of collecting 1/400 the NG models are my first Tristars!
Court Line were seen as a European Braniff with there multi-coloured aircraft. Great schemes for their day. IIRC there was a suggestion that a third Tristar was ordered and, if delivered, would appear in the green version.
The two planes were named Halcyon Days (Yellow) and Halcyon Breeze (Pink). I hope all this talk of these two planes will ultimately result in their release...
I'll knock up some comparison photos between the Gemini and Jet X releases tomorrow. The Jet X yellow one was also a slightly more subdued version of yellow compared to GJ.
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Thank you. it would be nice if you can recommend a reg for each of them?
I'll stick with the TriStars and would recommend the following registrations:
Eastern Air Lines in bare metal colors: N334EA
American Trans Air in classic golden/white/blue colors: N189AT
Cathay Pacific: VR-HHK (the first of only two L-1011s built for and delivered factory-new to Cathay Pacific)
Caledonian Airways: G-BBAI
PSA Pacific Southwest Airlines: N10112
LTU as second release: D-AERP
LTU TriStar 500: D-AERL
TAP TriStar 500: CS-TEA
Still to be decided for...
Eastern Air Lines: earlier wide blue stripe on fuselage right on the cabin windows, or later thin blue stripes below cabin windows;
Cathay Pacific: original 1970's delivery design with "SuperTriStar" titles and markings on center engine air-intake and next to cabon doors, Britsh flag on tail (obligatory for old "SuperTriStar" design, can be skipped for the later scheme design), or 1980's/1990's design;
PSA: Protectional fairing underneath the belly, additional line-out for lower loung access door on port side, first RB.211-22B engine exhaust with hot steam thrust reversers (can be used for almost all delivery colors' releases such as Eastern, TWA, Delta, ANA, LTU, Court Line (obligatory again), Air Canada etc.);
And just to mention: the modified mould for the PSA L-1011 (including the fairing) could also be used for some other releases:
- LTU (D-AERE, D-AERI, D-AERU)
- Aero Peru (N10112, N10114)
- Worldways Canada (C-GIES, C-GIFE)
- PSA (N10114 as alternate model with customer logos (demo tour) on fuselage)
By the way, none of the suggested models/registrations of the long-body TriStars requires the so-called "Frisbee fairing" on the rooftop at engine no. 2 air-intake. Of the liveries discussed here, only some American Trans Air registrations (others than the suggested one) and a later leased Caledonian aircraft would require additional attention to this detail.
Would love to see these on your beautiful A330 mould!
Iberia...probably the most boring livery ever!! Cannot understand how they went from a pretty and quite attractive scheme during the 80/90's to something that a toddler dreamt of designing whilst at nursery school.
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RAF x3/Eastern bare metal/LAM/ Faucett Peru
NG A340: Gulf Air( Gold/Blue))Surinam/Royal Jordanian/Air Namibia (Blue tail) LAN
NG 747 SP/200 Air Namibia( yellow)/Luxair/Air Mauritius/ Saudi Arabian (Green)/Aerolineas Argentinas/ SAA 80’s Orange tail, silver belly 200/ Lufthansa black nose/ Olympic 200
NG 744: United Battleship/ Delta/ Northwest red top/ Qantas 90s livery/ BA
I'm confused here, I thought this was an innocent guess the upcoming release thread...How did it morph into another infamous I wish thread??
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Gemini Jets 400 Scale....the company collectors love to hate but love to collect..
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Nothing but the best! "I don't know why they call this stuff hamburger helper. It does just fine by itself, huh? I like it better than tuna helper myself, don't you, Clark?"
"you're the gourmet around here, Ed!"
Just an update here. a new number based on improvements to algorithm and accuracy adjustments to a spreadsheet databases (as well as learning about a few very short lived start-up airlines in the Philippines in the early '70s). The new and mostly accurate number as of 11-20-2019 is: 990,149. airframes flown.
Please get on it, NG. There are many fleets to build...end quote
As I said no one else will, only you...
As long as the earth doesn't explode, wishes will come true sooner or later. so let's roll up our sleeves to work harder.
As for the two Eastern L-1011’s may I suggest N372EA for wide stripes, and N336EA for the narrow stripes. I only suggest these as I found some decent photos of these planes online that show the various grey patterns painted throughout the plane in good detail. Seems the Eastern paint jobs are kinda on the tricky side. Perhaps others may have better detailed photos of other regs that they could share ? Really hoping these get made, thank you, ToddCB
As for the two Eastern L-1011’s may I suggest N372EA for wide stripes, and N336EA for the narrow stripes. I only suggest these as I found some decent photos of these planes online that show the various grey patterns painted throughout the plane in good detail. Seems the Eastern paint jobs are kinda on the tricky side. Perhaps others may have better detailed photos of other regs that they could share ? Really hoping these get made, thank you, ToddCB
Thank you for quoting the link, having just taken a look myself, I see Photobucket still haven't repaired my account. In fact they just sent me a message saying I am one of "a few" awaiting full account restoration after their massive power outage. I'm not holding my breath.
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Gemini certainly painted the upper wings on their Court Line release but I don't see any evidence that was the case in reality. The Jet-X Tristar plus Aeroclassics and Gemini BAC 1-11 pair don't feature painted wing surfaces either.
The wings weren’t painted prior to delivery. You can find several pictures of flight testing and promo shooting with regular silver wings. Upon delivery, the wings and horizontal stabilizer were painted in white. Details upon request, if required.
The wings weren’t painted prior to delivery. You can find several pictures of flight testing and promo shooting with regular silver wings. Upon delivery, the wings and horizontal stabilizer were painted in white. Details upon request, if required.
So either versions are correct then...?
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Both versions - silver and white wings, respectively - would be correct in a certain state of production/delivery. But as far as I know (please correct if I am wrong), none of the 1/400 manufacturers ever did one with silver (metal) wings. Referring to above pictures, the ones with white upper side of wings are correct, the one with red upper side is terribly wrong.
However, I don’t see any reason for a 1/400 manufacturer to release a Court Line TriStar with silver wings; it was a temporary condition prior to delivery.
As for the two Eastern L-1011’s may I suggest N372EA for wide stripes, and N336EA for the narrow stripes. I only suggest these as I found some decent photos of these planes online that show the various grey patterns painted throughout the plane in good detail. Seems the Eastern paint jobs are kinda on the tricky side. Perhaps others may have better detailed photos of other regs that they could share ? Really hoping these get made, thank you, ToddCB
Why not?! The reg isn’t the most important thing to me, I’d focus on the accuracy of the two models’ paint scheme.
N372EA actually wasn’t built for Eastern Air Lines, but was a second-hand acquisition by the airline from LTU. It was D-AERA, the sole L-1011 built for the German airline (33rd L-1011 off the production line).
N336EA was one of the last factory-delivered aircraft for Eastern Air Lines. One could take almost every reg for the “thin blue cheatline” version that happened to have it.
NG , yes those two, to answer your question for the Eastern L-1011’s. I picked those two tail numbers as there were good photos online of those two registrations showing all the unique painted gray patterns on the fuselage, I never flew on those planes so I have no connection to them other than the photos I found online,thanks, ToddCB
Yeah, personally I would not go with N372EA. There were multiple periods it didn't even serve at Eastern. There are 20+ other ships that served with Eastern since their delivery.
Iberia...probably the most boring livery ever!! Cannot understand how they went from a pretty and quite attractive scheme during the 80/90's to something that a toddler dreamt of designing whilst at nursery school.
Not a fan of the IAG era livery either, but the old livery could certainly be done on Tristar, A330-300 and 757 moulds.
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And for the Eastern L-1011’s, any tail numbers can be used, I was simply going off easy good quality photos found on line, perhaps someone who flew on one can pick out a specific number.
Iberia...probably the most boring livery ever!! Cannot understand how they went from a pretty and quite attractive scheme during the 80/90's to something that a toddler dreamt of designing whilst at nursery school.
Iberia's beautiful "Saul Bass looking" bright 70's cheatline scheme was a classic. It really dressed up the skies. Now Iberia's just another boring Eurowhite with some color at the back end. Yecch. Bring back splashy color and big cheatlines!! At least we still have KLM and Singapore to look at.
Re the Eastern L-1011's, I, too, am not concerned about reg or who it flew with at other times. I just want to see bare "wide" and "narrow" cheatline versions of the bare-metal livery.
Jim
__________________ The greatest need in 1:400:Reissues of Major Passenger-Carrier 747 Classics: -100/200, -300, and SP, of NG / Aeroclassics / Big Bird Mk. 1 quality. Examples: American; United Blue-Star, Bass; TWA double globe, double stripe; Pan Am delivery; British Airways Negus, Landor; KLM 70's-80's blue top; Air France 70's-80's; Lufthansa 70's-80's; Aer Lingus delivery; Sabena 80's circle-s; Japan Air Lines 70's-80s; All Nippon 70's; and Qantas 70's-80's.
Would jump all over an Iberia 757. I remember seeing those at Renton rolling off the assembly line
I photgraphed a couple on the ground in Malaga in 2003 whilst on a job in Spain. I got the Gemini/Adam Jets release but would love an NG mould 757 in classic Iberia livery.
I photgraphed a couple on the ground in Malaga in 2003 whilst on a job in Spain. I got the Gemini/Adam Jets release but would love an NG mould 757 in classic Iberia livery.
Excellent find and a great resource. The only question it doesn't answer definitively is the colour/s of the wing surfaces. But, looking at various pics, it seems the underside of the wings and the horizontal stabs were painted in the darkest of the three main body colours whilst the upper surfaces it seems, were painted white.
The wings weren’t painted prior to delivery. You can find several pictures of flight testing and promo shooting with regular silver wings. Upon delivery, the wings and horizontal stabilizer were painted in white. Details upon request, if required.
Not correct! The GJ COURT Tristar is wrongly painted with yellow painted upper wings which should be LIGHT GREY, not white. The Jet-X Tristars, both pink and yellow schemes both had the top of the wings correct, but the shades of 'yellow' and 'pink' were way out, probably matched from a colour-casted photos, one of which 'Big Al' posted. Colours should be best matched from Kodachrome slides taken in full sun and not just from one 'suspect' photo not taken in ideal conditions. Colour photos can vary when we used 'wet film', depending on film brand, camera, weather conditions etc.
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DC-8s still needed to be done in 1/400: Air Ceylon, Air Spain, Seaboard World (-63CF)
Comets still missing- Dan Air (4 & 4C), United Arab Airlines/Misrair/Egyptair, Kuwait AW, Sudan AW, East African AW, Saudi Royal Flt.
Caravelles still not made: Luxair, Air Algerie,SABENA (final scheme), Libyan Arab Airlines, SAS ( SCANDINAVIAN titles scheme)
Ilyushin IL-18s still not made: Tarom (billboard,) Malev (1st scheme),Cubana, Balkan/ Tabso-Bulgarian Air Transport,
Not correct! The GJ COURT Tristar is wrongly painted with yellow painted upper wings which should be LIGHT GREY, not white. The Jet-X Tristars, both pink and yellow schemes both had the top of the wings correct, but the shades of 'yellow' and 'pink' were way out, probably matched from a colour-casted photos, one of which 'Big Al' posted. Colours should be best matched from Kodachrome slides taken in full sun and not just from one 'suspect' photo not taken in ideal conditions. Colour photos can vary when we used 'wet film', depending on film brand, camera, weather conditions etc.
Lots of pics in the book, some appear to show a bare metal upper wing finish whilst the aircraft were in delivery flights from factory to Luton. Some of the colour photography looks over saturated and 'hand coloured' in places, the author acknowledges this in the 2018 edition foreword. Incidentally the 2018 reprint is still available in hardback from Amazon for £21. it's a very good reference source actually.
Adrian, how close, in your opinion, are the colours of the other models made of Court Line aircraft (such as aeroclassics, Inflight, Gemini etc)?
I would say the Aeroclassics green Court Line One-Eleven 400 and Gemini Jets pink One-Eleven 500 are very accurate. I supplied all the photo references for the Aeroclassics model, so am biast though! We have yet to see an accurate COURT Tristar as both GJ and Jet-X screwed up the colours. Hoping NG can come to the rescue!
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DC-8s still needed to be done in 1/400: Air Ceylon, Air Spain, Seaboard World (-63CF)
Comets still missing- Dan Air (4 & 4C), United Arab Airlines/Misrair/Egyptair, Kuwait AW, Sudan AW, East African AW, Saudi Royal Flt.
Caravelles still not made: Luxair, Air Algerie,SABENA (final scheme), Libyan Arab Airlines, SAS ( SCANDINAVIAN titles scheme)
Ilyushin IL-18s still not made: Tarom (billboard,) Malev (1st scheme),Cubana, Balkan/ Tabso-Bulgarian Air Transport,
I would say the Aeroclassics green Court Line One-Eleven 400 and Gemini Jets pink One-Eleven 500 are very accurate. I supplied all the photo references for the Aeroclassics model, so am biast though! We have yet to see an accurate COURT Tristar as both GJ and Jet-X screwed up the colours. Hoping NG can come to the rescue!
Hoping we can luckily get the reference for you too.
Not correct! The GJ COURT Tristar is wrongly painted with yellow painted upper wings which should be LIGHT GREY, not white. The Jet-X Tristars, both pink and yellow schemes both had the top of the wings correct, but the shades of 'yellow' and 'pink' were way out, probably matched from a colour-casted photos, one of which 'Big Al' posted. Colours should be best matched from Kodachrome slides taken in full sun and not just from one 'suspect' photo not taken in ideal conditions. Colour photos can vary when we used 'wet film', depending on film brand, camera, weather conditions etc.
Most exactly what I said, actually. Apart from the fact that you are talking about a „light grey“, whereas I was quoting „white“ which is pretty much like what I have seen in original photographs etc! What’sthe source for that „light grey“, Adrian? Are there any original colour scales for Court Line‘s L-1011 liveries published anywhere?
Otherwise, we are saying almost the same. Don’t know why you are starting your posting with „not correct“...
And, I am with you two: the core problem of earlier Court L-1011 releases was the colour tone of the yellow/orange and pink/red, indeed.
Unless anyone has the actual Pantone colour references used by the airline, it’s going to be an interpretation from a variety of photographs, which is not the most reliable. Only having the official Pantone reference will nail this as the most accurate. I don’t know if that information has ever been available?
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Most exactly what I said, actually. Apart from the fact that you are talking about a „light grey“, whereas I was quoting „white“ which is pretty much like what I have seen in original photographs etc! What’sthe source for that „light grey“, Adrian? Are there any original colour scales for Court Line‘s L-1011 liveries published anywhere?
Otherwise, we are saying almost the same. Don’t know why you are starting your posting with „not correct“...
And, I am with you two: the core problem of earlier Court L-1011 releases was the colour tone of the yellow/orange and pink/red, indeed.
Yes, I have to agree with you re the top colour of the wings - I'm working on this! The photo in the factory that Al posted appear to be the standard 'light grey' but may have been repainted later. One thing that might be considered is that I believe COURT LINE's liveries were influenced by Braniff International, who painted their wings white when in the 'jelly bean' scheme, so they may well have been white on the Tristars on delivery?
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DC-8s still needed to be done in 1/400: Air Ceylon, Air Spain, Seaboard World (-63CF)
Comets still missing- Dan Air (4 & 4C), United Arab Airlines/Misrair/Egyptair, Kuwait AW, Sudan AW, East African AW, Saudi Royal Flt.
Caravelles still not made: Luxair, Air Algerie,SABENA (final scheme), Libyan Arab Airlines, SAS ( SCANDINAVIAN titles scheme)
Ilyushin IL-18s still not made: Tarom (billboard,) Malev (1st scheme),Cubana, Balkan/ Tabso-Bulgarian Air Transport,
Yes, I have to agree with you re the top colour of the wings - I'm working on this! The photo in the factory that Al posted appear to be the standard 'light grey' but may have been repainted later. One thing that might be considered is that I believe COURT LINE's liveries were influenced by Braniff International, who painted their wings white when in the 'jelly bean' scheme, so they may well have been white on the Tristars on delivery?
I think they weren't really influenced by Braniff but by the same 1960's spirit as Braniff was influenced by.
Still, 'white' wing surfaces are my input. In the meantime I found a modellers' site which offers professional decals and paint charts. It suggests 'white' for the wing surface too.
Images of N162AA seem to be up on wafflecollectibles, not looking great IMO.
Ha ha that's the Aeroclassics version. Waffle has put the photos on the wrong model. You can tell because it has a) no aerials, b) disco glitter finish and c) simple tyres with no hubs.
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Ha ha that's the Aeroclassics version. Waffle has put the photos on the wrong model. You can tell because it has a) no aerials, b) disco glitter finish and c) simple tyres with no hubs.
Yep just noticed, should have paid attention to the clues. Thanks for the confirmation. Got me scared for a second lol.
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