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I received my 100 yesterday, a long awaited 'holy grail' of Tristars for me. Still awaiting news of stock in terms of the correctly printed 200 with 'British' text. Production mistakes with these two not withstanding, we certainly have a contender for my own personal 'release of the year'...

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Incredible. Each and every NG Models’ L-1011 looks absolutely perfect... and they are even getting ‘more perfect’ in case there’s anything to complain about. One of the many details which are even better than with any 1/200 manufacturer is the accuracy and consistency of the windshield - something which seems to be an impossible task for all the other model manufacturers. Just have a look at Inflight (or Gemini, or JC Wings, ...) - the size, positioning and even the overall design of their L-1011s’ windshields varies from one release to the next release, only few are really spot-on, most are not getting beyond ‘acceptable’. Since the (negative) ‘diversity’ cannot be explained by technical issues or something like that, it is a pure weakness of accuracy and maybe motivation for better quality (which is even more disappointing since better quality and consistency would be absolutely possible).
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One of the many details which are even better than with any 1/200 manufacturer is the accuracy and consistency of the windshield - something which seems to be an impossible task for all the other model manufacturers. Just have a look at Inflight (or Gemini, or JC Wings, ...) - the size, positioning and even the overall design of their L-1011s’ windshields varies from one release to the next release, only few are really spot-on, most are not getting beyond ‘acceptable’. Since the (negative) ‘diversity’ cannot be explained by technical issues or something like that, it is a pure weakness of accuracy and maybe motivation for better quality (which is even more disappointing since better quality and consistency would be absolutely possible).
Interesting at least you acknowledge that Inflight got the tailstripe right on the little and large thread on 200 scale forum which compares a 200 scale vs 400 scale same model. It also goes on to state the JC got it right too compared to the 400. Hmmmmm So I guess they can do it right...
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Interesting at least you acknowledge that Inflight got the tailstripe right on the little and large thread on 200 scale forum which compares a 200 scale vs 400 scale same model. It also goes on to state the JC got it right too compared to the 400. Hmmmmm So I guess they can do it right...
Actually, they cannot, Russ. You probably got it wrong since the matter discussed is about a different point here. They [the manufacturers] can do it right - which I said so - but they obviously cannot provide a certain standard (i.e. consistency of design and quality within a product line). As I said before, you can find a variety of e.g. different windshield designs for the same type of aircraft in the same scale of the same manufacturer.

Positioning is a matter of production, i.e. might be a technical issue or just slovenliness, but using different designs for something that should be absolutely identical cannot be explained (except for improvements of course - which would require that the ‘improved’ design is the new standard and not changed back and forth again).
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"Incredible. Each and every NG Models’ L-1011 looks absolutely perfect... and they are even getting ‘more perfect’ in case there’s anything to complain about."


Beg to differ. The NG Tristars are the best there are, but they're not perfect. Note in the first photo, the top of the cowl on the number 3 engine tilts rearward rather than slightly forward as it should. NG were made aware of this inaccuracy, but it remains across their entire line of L-1011s. As a collector, I seek perfection in the models I buy, admitting that absolute perfection does not exist. Doug

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Beg to differ. The NG Tristars are the best there are, but they're not perfect. Note in the first photo, the top of the cowl on the number 3 engine tilts rearward rather than slightly forward as it should. NG were made aware of this inaccuracy, but it remains across their entire line of L-1011s. As a collector, I seek perfection in the models I buy, admitting that absolute perfection does not exist. Doug
Doug,

Maybe I should stress that ‘perfection’ is an impossible-to-reach quality standard when we are talking about scale models, the smaller the scale, the more it is difficult - even Herpa’s Lufthansa Modell Edition in 1/200 scale came “only” close to perfection. But, I agree that a certain detail that was addressed should be improved as soon as possible - if it can be achieved economically, of course. NG Models is improving upon criticism and request - which is something I have never seen with any other scale model manufacturer, particularly not to the extent NG is listening to collectors’ input.

However and still, I was talking about NG’s ability to deliver a high standard and consistency of such. Which is what so many other manufacturers, even in 1/200 are lacking of; illustrated and proven by the given example of cockpit windshields.
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Beautiful photos. Unfortunately, my retailer was one of few who got the incorrect batches and I couldn't get myself to buy the incorrect model (for rarity reasons lol) so will be seeing mine late Jan 2020.
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Al, after seeing your great set of pictures I ordered this incredible model in a heartbeat.

The full 'British airways' titles of the Negus design seem to have been replaced with the 'British' titles in a relatively short period of time. I didn't find any Tristars with full titles after 1981.
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NG Models is improving upon criticism and request - which is something I have never seen with any other scale model manufacturer, particularly not to the extent NG is listening to collectors’ input.
So true, Daniel. They listen to the collectorate and if mistakes happen they apologise and make up for them.
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Al, after seeing your great set of pictures I ordered this incredible model in a heartbeat.

The full 'British airways' titles of the Negus design seem to have been replaced with the 'British' titles in a relatively short period of time. I didn't find any Tristars with full titles after 1981.
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British Airways made that small change from
‘British airways’ to just ‘British’ in 1980, so the full company name subsequently disappeared from the aircraft’s upper fuselage. Since the colour scheme remained unchanged, the transition was quite easy and did not take much time - hence few pictures with full ‘British airways’ titles after 1981.
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Great discussion! These are very very nice models. Looks great in your hangar, Al 👍👍These compliment the Big Bird Negus 747’s very well, which is what I was hoping for as I have now built up a fleet of both for the LHR diorama. Will be holding on to my pair of Gemini Negus -1’s as well, they are also a very good compliment to the overall fleet. Received my NG bunch yesterday; all the delivery c/s Negus -1’s are correct with full “British airways” titles, and they are stunning. The artwork and printing is spot-on...however, the pair of -200’s I received both have the printing errors - the two “•” are missing in “British” on one side. They are printed on the correct mould however. Will have to now arrange for the correct replacements, which we should see with the next round of releases.

On the fence about returning though as I might retain the dud ones for custom work, and decal them up as the two 1980 delivery examples with full “British airways” titles, which they wore for a very short period.
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Great discussion! These are very very nice models. Looks great in your hangar, Al 👍👍These compliment the Big Bird Negus 747’s very well, which is what I was hoping for as I have now built up a fleet of both for the LHR diorama. Will be holding on to my pair of Gemini Negus -1’s as well, they are also a very good compliment to the overall fleet. Received my NG bunch yesterday; all the delivery c/s Negus -1’s are correct with full “British airways” titles, and they are stunning. The artwork and printing is spot-on...however, the pair of -200’s I received both have the printing errors - the two “•” are missing in “British” on one side. They are printed on the correct mould however. Will have to now arrange for the correct replacements, which we should see with the next round of releases.

On the fence about returning though as I might retain the dud ones for custom work, and decal them up as the two 1980 delivery examples with full “British airways” titles, which they wore for a very short period.
I'm awaiting news of correctly printed re-stocks on 'British' as well. But I emailed Mr Moon the other day to see if he had any and apparently didn't know there was a problem ? So having inspected his stock he's now selling them at a cut down price of £24.99, Inc delivery. I've ordered one for just the same reasons, future custom or spare parts ship. But the again I might just 'fix' it with my blue Sharpie...
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Al, after seeing your great set of pictures I ordered this incredible model in a heartbeat.

The full 'British airways' titles of the Negus design seem to have been replaced with the 'British' titles in a relatively short period of time. I didn't find any Tristars with full titles after 1981.
Yes as said above the title was modified in 1981, giving the full 'British Airways'' titles a shelf life of 1974-1981. I first got into aviation around 1980 and remember the changeover. I hope you enjoy seeing these models for real, they are very pleasing.
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I'm awaiting news of correctly printed re-stocks on 'British' as well. But I emailed Mr Moon the other day to see if he had any and apparently didn't know there was a problem ? So having inspected his stock he's now selling them at a cut down price of £24.99, Inc delivery. I've ordered one for just the same reasons, future custom or spare parts ship. But the again I might just 'fix' it with my blue Sharpie...[IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
Looks like the communication has been patchy on this then. Retailers should have been able to return their faulty stock, or receive the corrected versions in lieu. I’ve seen Moon’s discounted price on ebay as well. A decent bargain for a fix/custom project, so I reckon that’s well worth it. If you have a steady hand and good eye, a Sharpie might just do the trick 👍
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Looks like the communication has been patchy on this then. Retailers should have been able to return their faulty stock, or receive the corrected versions in lieu. I’ve seen Moon’s discounted price on ebay as well. A decent bargain for a fix/custom project, so I reckon that’s well worth it. If you have a steady hand and good eye, a Sharpie might just do the trick 👍
My order at Waffle still says 'validated,' which means it hasn't shipped. That's fine. I would much rather wait for correct models. These are two high-priority NG L-1011's for me and I want them right.

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My order at Waffle still says 'validated,' which means it hasn't shipped. That's fine. I would much rather wait for correct models. These are two high-priority NG L-1011's for me and I want them right.

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Absolutely; me too. Looking forward to seeing the correct “British” -200’s in January. Very odd error to have been made, for the dots to be missing on only one side! Mine will be possibly going back, depending on whether or not a credit/discount can be given for them.
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"Incredible. Each and every NG Models’ L-1011 looks absolutely perfect... and they are even getting ‘more perfect’ in case there’s anything to complain about."


Beg to differ. The NG Tristars are the best there are, but they're not perfect. Note in the first photo, the top of the cowl on the number 3 engine tilts rearward rather than slightly forward as it should. NG were made aware of this inaccuracy, but it remains across their entire line of L-1011s. As a collector, I seek perfection in the models I buy, admitting that absolute perfection does not exist. Doug
Agree. I got their Delta L-1011 and a stunning model, EXCEPT the 1 and 3 engine nacelles. Inexcusable IMHO.
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Agree. I got their Delta L-1011 and a stunning model, EXCEPT the 1 and 3 engine nacelles. Inexcusable IMHO.
Doug is on the nail with this, and we’ve discussed it time and time again, and these observations were noted during the prototype stage, as we know. The #1 and #3 cowling profiles on all mine are pretty much flush. I distinctly recall that, on the sample mould which I inspected at the LGW Fair in April 2019, the engines had an incorrect outward cowl slant, which led me to believe that the engines had been accidentally mounted upside-down during the sample stage of production. This has obviously been remedied to a degree, but not to the point of a total correction of the error. Doug has also already mentioned the good old Dragon Wings examples, which indeed have the forward cowl slant 100% correct. They had nailed that detail way back in 1999 when the earliest ones came out. Hence the frustration with this; if they could do it, why not NG in 2019? Especially when they get all the other little details just right, with all the bells and whistles which are setting new standards in 1/400. I’m personally enjoying all their L-1011 releases immensely despite this. In the end, there will always be something to nag about in this hobby I guess. If we achieved 100% perfection, the hobby would never be the same again, and DAC would have lost it’s soul 😂

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I nearly bought one of these but i decided i'd rather wait and hope NG do a Gulf Air retro livery Tristar! I am not a big fan of this livery BA had at that time and it only looked good on their B747 and thats my view ok! Though NG have done a great job from what i can see,good clear pics and that will help anyone making their minds up if they want one!

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I think the Negus livery fitted many of British Airways' aircraft quite well, particularly the 747 and L-1011 but also the smaller members of the fleet, particularly the British jets (Trident, One-Eleven, VC-10). Back when Heathrow was somehow dusty and dirty.
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Waffle says NG models are coming soon....hoping including these!

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So who has their NG Negus BA TriStars? My order from my retailer of Nov. 14 still just says "validated."
I thought I saw somewhere that the re-tooled ones were going to ship out with the next batch of releases (so, end of the month or so) but I could be mistaken.
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I believe the amended models are currently shipping to retailers. Give it a week or so..
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Finally got round to picking my one up yesterday. Another great job by NG, she is lovely. Be great to get the amended one soon as well.
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Beautiful photos. Unfortunately, my retailer was one of few who got the incorrect batches and I couldn't get myself to buy the incorrect model (for rarity reasons lol) so will be seeing mine late Jan 2020.
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Old 01-19-2020, 06:24 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Thank you two, we are going to solve this issue.


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"Incredible. Each and every NG Models’ L-1011 looks absolutely perfect... and they are even getting ‘more perfect’ in case there’s anything to complain about."


Beg to differ. The NG Tristars are the best there are, but they're not perfect. Note in the first photo, the top of the cowl on the number 3 engine tilts rearward rather than slightly forward as it should. NG were made aware of this inaccuracy, but it remains across their entire line of L-1011s. As a collector, I seek perfection in the models I buy, admitting that absolute perfection does not exist. Doug


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Maybe I should stress that ‘perfection’ is an impossible-to-reach quality standard when we are talking about scale models, the smaller the scale, the more it is difficult - even Herpa’s Lufthansa Modell Edition in 1/200 scale came “only” close to perfection. But, I agree that a certain detail that was addressed should be improved as soon as possible - if it can be achieved economically, of course. NG Models is improving upon criticism and request - which is something I have never seen with any other scale model manufacturer, particularly not to the extent NG is listening to collectors’ input.

However and still, I was talking about NG’s ability to deliver a high standard and consistency of such. Which is what so many other manufacturers, even in 1/200 are lacking of; illustrated and proven by the given example of cockpit windshields.
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Doug is on the nail with this, and we’ve discussed it time and time again, and these observations were noted during the prototype stage, as we know. The #1 and #3 cowling profiles on all mine are pretty much flush. I distinctly recall that, on the sample mould which I inspected at the LGW Fair in April 2019, the engines had an incorrect outward cowl slant, which led me to believe that the engines had been accidentally mounted upside-down during the sample stage of production. This has obviously been remedied to a degree, but not to the point of a total correction of the error. Doug has also already mentioned the good old Dragon Wings examples, which indeed have the forward cowl slant 100% correct. They had nailed that detail way back in 1999 when the earliest ones came out. Hence the frustration with this; if they could do it, why not NG in 2019? Especially when they get all the other little details just right, with all the bells and whistles which are setting new standards in 1/400. I’m personally enjoying all their L-1011 releases immensely despite this. In the end, there will always be something to nag about in this hobby I guess. If we achieved 100% perfection, the hobby would never be the same again, and DAC would have lost it’s soul 😂

Happy New Year everyone; cannot believe we are starting the 2020’s already 😮🎉🥂🍻

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