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Old 11-11-2019, 11:19 AM   #1
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Default NG still hasn't fixed 787 gear issue

I got my Air New Zealand All-Blacks 787-9 from NG yesterday in hopes of replacing my Phoenix version of the same subject. The NG mould is quite a bit better than the PHX in several ways (wingbox and wing curvature in particular) but they still have not fixed the issue of the main gear being far too tall combined with the nose gear being a little short, which gives the model an awkward nose-down stance.

First, this shot of a 1:1 789 to show that the aircraft should sit essentially level with the ground.



I didn't get this photo perfectly level, but you can still see the difference in the stance of the PHX (left) compared to the NG (right).



Height difference at the nose. I still think NG is printing the cockpit windows too small as well.



Height difference at the tail is huge. It gives the engines on the NG better ground clearance, but otherwise this looks way off.



I hope NG can fix these issues soon, I'd really like to replace the Phoenix ones I have because I think the NG mould and printing overall is much better, but every time I look at one of these I can't get past the 'hot rod' stance.

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The 787-9 is actually supposed to have a very slight nose-down incidence, as shown in the plan-view.

Though, as you illustrated, the model's nose-down incidence is significantly more pronounced - well beyond being realistic. The actual thing is less than 1 degree nose-down.

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The 787-9 is actually supposed to have a very slight nose-down incidence, as shown in the plan-view.

Though, as you illustrated, the model's nose-down incidence is significantly more pronounced - well beyond being realistic. The actual thing is less than 1 degree nose-down.
Good info - I suspect that the 1:1 might vary within a degree depending on whether it was empty or not as well. Either way, it shouldn't be obvious at 1:400 scale.
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For all the customer feedback that NG takes into their models, they still have not got it right with this mould. I 100% agree that the main gear are too tall giving a "dragster" look. I also fully agree that the cockpit window printing seems too small, and this is made even more apparent when compared to the Phoenix 787 (though on the large side). This is where JC nailed their 787; the cockpit window printing and nose shape are spot on, but I think the oversized engines are what kills it for me. NG have the overall look nailed best with the 787, but the gear length and cockpit window size needs to be addressed soon I think.

NG are carving a path as the leader in 1:400, but they are far, far from perfect and I think we need to be a bit more honest with ourselves on how great they truly are. Their recent A330 releases look very strange in the nose section from pictures I have seen, and I am starting to receive more and more L1011s with loose or detached wings. Not a huge deal with a but of glue, but sometimes these loose pieces chip paint which leads to an even trickier job than a simple glue fix. Their 737s need some help with the size of their nose gear, and IMO their CRJ200's gear are also too tall.


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NG are carving a path as the leader in 1:400, but they are far, far from perfect and I think we need to be a bit more honest with ourselves on how great they truly are. Their recent A330 releases look very strange in the nose section from pictures I have seen, and I am starting to receive more and more L1011s with loose or detached wings. Not a huge deal with a but of glue, but sometimes these loose pieces chip paint which leads to an even trickier job than a simple glue fix. Their 737s need some help with the size of their nose gear, and IMO their CRJ200's gear are also too tall.


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They actually appear to be listening a lot less of recent. They have dialled down their engagement with the community quite a bit and don't post on the forum at all anymore it seems.

I agree this 787 looks inferior to the Phoenix in the ways Denny mentions. I haven't had issue with the A330s or L-1011s I've received but I agree NG are not the 2nd coming and they do anecdotally seem to be having some glue issues. The 737 nosegear seems variable and appears to be mainly a construction issue. Sometimes it is fine and sometimes it is not fitted well and looks too high.
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Very strange that NG are straying away from both the forum and collector feedback, my ANA 737 800's nose gear was places quite high. As mentioned in a post above the A330's nose is also quite off. Hoping that Ng is not slipping in quality as it is one of their biggest selling points.
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As mentioned in a post above the A330's nose is also quite off.
I don't at all agree about the A330 nose. I think it's pretty fantastic - if there are flaws they certainly aren't as glaringly obvious as the 787 gear.

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I don't at all agree about the A330 nose. I think it's pretty fantastic - if there are flaws they certainly aren't as glaringly obvious as the 787 gear.

Really? The Thomas Cook A330 seems to have a steep underside to its nose, though, I do agree it is perhaps not as big of an issue as the 787's steep angled nose gear.
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NG seem to do most of their talking via their Facebook and Instagram pages nowadays. But I would agree they are less communicative with the punters now for some reason. I've had the odd e-mail from them with little hints of what may be getting released in the future but nothing more than that of late.
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They actually appear to be listening a lot less of recent. They have dialled down their engagement with the community quite a bit and don't post on the forum at all anymore it seems.

I agree this 787 looks inferior to the Phoenix in the ways Denny mentions. I haven't had issue with the A330s or L-1011s I've received but I agree NG are not the 2nd coming and they do anecdotally seem to be having some glue issues. The 737 nosegear seems variable and appears to be mainly a construction issue. Sometimes it is fine and sometimes it is not fitted well and looks too high.
I've just sold my Phoenix ANZ 789 for a NG one. I hope I don't regret doing so!
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If I can add my two cents as far as the 787 goes, a United one just taxied past me and it is was in a nose down stance, I know it’s a little light since it used up all of its fuel during flight, but even a fully loaded plane still has a nose down stance, but I do agree the main gear is too tall on the model.
And the 737 does indeed seem to be hit n miss as far as the nose gear is concerned. ToddCB
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