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Old 10-17-2019, 03:12 AM   #1
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I was at Birmingham Airport (UK) last week, and saw an Antonov AN12 Ukrainian registered, one of several that apparently still regularly fly cargo around Europe.

It's quite a record that these are still flying 62 years after the first flight in 1957.

Over 1200 were built, including the Chinese production Y-8 version.

When you think of the aircraft produced in 1/400, along with the Tu134 (sorry but yes that old chestnut again), it must be the most under-represented or overdue aircraft type not to be produced in 1/400.

Key operators include Aeroflot (several schemes), CAAC of China (Y-8), LOT Polish Airlines, Balkan Bulgarian, Air Sofia, Air Ukraine, Antonov Airlines, Air Guinee, Egyptair, Ghana Airways, Iraqi Airways, Sri Lankan Airlines, Volare, Air Armenia, Air One (Mexico), plus a host of 2nd generation airlines in Russia and elsewhere. Not the greatest list but when you see the 'single operator' Guppy produced, then it gives you hope and dispels that argument.

There is little demand in North America I accept, which does put it at risk of less sales there, but as with the Tu134 and Tu114, European and Chinese collectors can continue the lobbying on behalf of collectors in this part of the region.

Herpa once gave us all hope with production of superb AN124 and 225 models, which really only had a couple of schemes to offer, and I gather they sold very well. NG Models may be about to produce a Tu134, which would be magic for the hobby, and understandably they would want to see how sales go with that before plunging into the same market again, whilst Aeroclassics won't touch these classics it seems, based on earlier sales. Retro Models understandably seem to have had enough after their Tu104 experience, but sales went well as far as I know. Other producers have little appetite for Russian types, though Phoenix once produced some interesting Tu154s. I can't see Gemini considering such a model which of course is their prerogative too.

In summary, the AN12, greatly unloved by some and under-appreciated by others, is so charismatic and such an important workhorse, now 60 long years in operation, whilst some modern aircraft are now being produced in 1/400 before even entering service!!

Just food for thought. Appreciate its not my money, but as a collector of all civil aviation types, its a type that is so long overdue, one of just a few to have been ignored totally.
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Yes, I'd love to have a few An-12s in 1:400 scale. Both in some of the classic liveries such as Aeroflot as well as some of the striking modern liveries worn by the current operators.
Off topic, it's a shame the TU-104 venture hasn't develop beyond the single CSA release.
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Well-articulated post, examining both sides of the argument. I agree with all your points.
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On 29 October there is also 60th anniversary of 1st flight of An-24 turboprop (maiden flight 29 OCT 1959). 1st pax T-prop built in more than 1000 examples. If added transport/special derivatives An-26/An-30/An-32 - in total more than 3200 examples were built plus Chinese Y7/MA60/MA600 copies (more than 200 in total). So quite successful families indeed. Today still in operations (in airlines service) is more than 80 An-24s.
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Unfortunately we lost one last month.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49931753
UR-CAH was a regular Birmingham visitor.
Personally I love them......
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As an American, I'd still buy any AN12 releases, but I realize I'm likely an anomaly in this regard. I usually find the 'obscure' subjects the most interesting.
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Thanks for your positive responses folks.
I know it gets a bit tiresome, but hey, where else can we express our model dreams (:-.
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Equally impressive as the C-130 Program.
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I'd certainly buy many of the AN-12's on your list if ever released in 1:400....and really hoping the TU-134 mould comes about too !

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Its got props, what's not to love?

I'd be in for sure, particularly the late 1980's "Aeroflot" *cough* VVS *cough* livery.


As usual Herpa has a mould in 1:200.
It seems that 1:200 has a much larger variety of types, particularly among older machines, than 1:400. What's up with that?

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I would buy a Herpa AN12 1/200 but they tend to go for very high prices. Same with AN24.

This has always been my gripe - that 1/200 seems to have a greater range of types, but as I would rightly be told - its not my money.
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aren't they still operational because most of the airlines that have them literally do not have any other choices
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On 29 October there is also 60th anniversary of 1st flight of An-24 turboprop (maiden flight 29 OCT 1959). 1st pax T-prop built in more than 1000 examples. If added transport/special derivatives An-26/An-30/An-32 - in total more than 3200 examples were built plus Chinese Y7/MA60/MA600 copies (more than 200 in total). So quite successful families indeed. Today still in operations (in airlines service) is more than 80 An-24s.
The An-24 is an absolute workhorse and one of my favourite aircraft types. I have been lucky enough to fly on several over the past 10 years with the likes of SCAT, Krasavia, Turukhan Airlines, Pskovavia, Sirius Aero (opf. Rusline), Polar Airlines, Alrosa and Motor Sich. An-26s of Genex, Krasavia and Kostroma Air Enterprise too.

Flying on them in the middle of winter is particularly enjoyable, with the heat coming from the heaters near your legs. I won't let this winter go by without some more An-24 action in Russia and/or Kazakhstan.
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I'd gladly take an Air Cess AN-12.

And on the topic of Soviet aircraft, I'd love more IL-18's. I'd fancy a Daallo IL-18.
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aren't they still operational because most of the airlines that have them literally do not have any other choices
In some cases I suppose its true, but they are venerable old workhorses. I would hope that being able to fly in UK airspace, they have to demonstrate a certain level of air worthiness. Same with operators I used to see operating DC-6's at Miami in the 1990s from Latin America. Although US operators also still used them too, for freight work.

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I have the 1/200 versions of the AN2 and AN24 and they are great models, but I would sell them if nice 1/400 versions were made. Space is a big issue for me since I collect other things like action figures.
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The An-12 was the Russian equivalent to the C-130 with many serving worldwide in military and civil roles. I would also buy several An-12s if made in 1/400. When I was in the RAF, we used to see An-12s at RAF Lyneham from the Iraqi, Indian and Ukraine Air Forces. Many lovely civilian schemes for the type too.
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I'd gladly take an Air Cess AN-12.

And on the topic of Soviet aircraft, I'd love more IL-18's. I'd fancy a Daallo IL-18.
You're an absolute sucker for some of the dodgy gems that have operated through the UAE in the past, aren't you?!

I was lucky enough to fly on a couple of scheduled IL-18s from Jeddah to Djibouti and Djibouti to Hargeisa a few years ago. UP-I1802 and UP-I1801 respectively, operated by Mega Air Company for Daallo Airlines. Both ex-Air Cess, I believe.

Here's one of them at Hargeisa before I flew back to Djibouti on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP8WMciuZ0Y
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You're an absolute sucker for some of the dodgy gems that have operated through the UAE in the past, aren't you?!

I was lucky enough to fly on a couple of scheduled IL-18s from Jeddah to Djibouti and Djibouti to Hargeisa a few years ago. UP-I1802 and UP-I1801 respectively, operated by Mega Air Company for Daallo Airlines. Both ex-Air Cess, I believe.

Here's one of them at Hargeisa before I flew back to Djibouti on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP8WMciuZ0Y
I was fortunate enough to go to Sharjah in 1998 and obtain one of those permits to walk around the ramp - wow! Within touching distance of many IL76s, a few IL-18s, AN12's, a couple of AN-8s, AN24s, a single AN124, several Tu154s and 134s, 707F's etc, including some Air Cess aircraft. Would love to know more about that airline. It was a truly superb place to visit with Ariana 727s, Ukraine Yak42s, African Intl 707s, but boy was it hot!!
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You're an absolute sucker for some of the dodgy gems that have operated through the UAE in the past, aren't you?!

I was lucky enough to fly on a couple of scheduled IL-18s from Jeddah to Djibouti and Djibouti to Hargeisa a few years ago. UP-I1802 and UP-I1801 respectively, operated by Mega Air Company for Daallo Airlines. Both ex-Air Cess, I believe.

Here's one of them at Hargeisa before I flew back to Djibouti on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP8WMciuZ0Y
Yeah, I've seen those videos. Must've been quite fun flying on em. Defo ex-Air Cess. You can tell from the livery.

I love weird sketchy airlines and even better, weird sketchy planes and weird sketchy airlines together. Heres a pair of ex-Leninets Scientific Research Institute Daallo IL-18's that I'd love to have in 1:400. Daallo never bothered to get rid of all the radar equipment on the plane from its previous life. I feel like NG is the only company crazy enough to even consider making something like this.



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I was fortunate enough to go to Sharjah in 1998 and obtain one of those permits to walk around the ramp
Man, the things I'd do to have a ramp tour around 90's SHJ. There were so many Soviet aircraft back then. Sadly nowadays there are barely any Soviet planes at SHJ other than the occasional IL-76. It's also really unfortunate that they have stopped ramp tours.
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This one flying for Cavok Air was a colourful visitor to Adelaide in October
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This one flying for Cavok Air was a colourful visitor to Adelaide in October
That's gorgeous. As many complaints as we hear about Eurowhite liveries, there ought to be much more demand for these kind of colorful schemes. So yeah, bring on the AN-12's!
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That Cavok Air was the scheme I saw at Birmingham, or very similar anyway.

The ramp tour at Sharjah was superb, you were given free reign just to walk around though given a clear map of areas were out of bounds. Only 2 things we couldn't photograph...............Ariana aircraft and the mangled up pile of a TU154 that had crashed their sadly. We accessed the ramp at 10am and had to leave by 4pm.

Just fantastic. Seeing 2 Air Cess Antonov An-8s was probably the highlight, but they also had a few AN-12's, AN24s, and IL18s, the latter which were operating PAX operations. At least a dozen IL76s were present of various operators, plus an AN124 & a Tu134. Quite a few Tu154s operating PAX operations - Air Daallo, Tajikistan, plus Air Ukraine who also operated a Yak42. Plus Hinduja 727Fs from India, and a few 707Fs such as Sky Air & Dolphin Air plus a passenger operating African International 707.

Sorry I'm just reminiscing but it was quite a superb day.

Then back to the hotel rooftop in Dubai to discreetly watch departures from Dubai International including Mahan Air IL76 & Iran Asseman 727s, Uni Air Yak40.
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and the mangled up pile of a TU154 that had crashed their sadly.
Tajikistan Flight 3183?


Must've been a blast seeing all those Soviet beauties up close.
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Must've been a blast seeing all those Soviet beauties up close.
Yes sadly it was a Tajikistan 154, I still have someone else's photo of the mangled-up pile of metal.

That aside, it was my best foreign trip ever except my early 90s days to Miami.
We spent 4 nights in Dubai before flying onto Hong Kong Kai Tak to spend 4 nights there before it closed.

Them were the days (:-
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Must have been awesome, An-8s are very rare birds!
I don't think I've ever seen one, even back in the days of the Soviet Union.
So about those photos... You know, the ones where you were allowed photography!
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Must have been awesome, An-8s are very rare birds!
I don't think I've ever seen one, even back in the days of the Soviet Union.
So about those photos... You know, the ones where you were allowed photography!
They are all 6 x 4 prints, kept in a photo album. Is it possible to share them, I'm I.T. mentally-deficient
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I often hear an An-12 rumbling overhead out of Prestwick, heading transatlantic via Keflavik. I can definetly say it's one of the most distinctive sounds in aviation, a deep bassy rumble that can be heard for miles. I'd love a model of this in 1:400 !
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I often hear an An-12 rumbling overhead out of Prestwick, heading transatlantic via Keflavik. I can definetly say it's one of the most distinctive sounds in aviation, a deep bassy rumble that can be heard for miles. I'd love a model of this in 1:400 !
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Photos from Sharjah 1998: - Photoshot of 6 x 4 album pages so very poor quality but you get the gist.(:-

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Photos from Sharjah 1998: - Photoshot of 6 x 4 album pages so very poor quality but you get the gist.(:-
these are golden photos... I envy you for catching the Transcharter an124. Definitely my favorite livery on the 124. And those Air Cess IL-18's...

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Thanks both, I'm such a fan of the prop and early jet era, and notably of anything Russian.
Glad my poor photo attempts on here are of some interest.
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The gist is good enough! Great photos, great memories!

The An-8 has always been a particular favourite of mine, partly because they were so elusive and rare. They were something that I always wanted to see IRL, but am pretty sure I never did. If only we had digital cameras back in those days!
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The gist is good enough! Great photos, great memories!

The An-8 has always been a particular favourite of mine, partly because they were so elusive and rare. They were something that I always wanted to see IRL, but am pretty sure I never did. If only we had digital cameras back in those days!
I was surprised the AN-8s were being used, one was in apparent good nick, the Santa Cruz Imperial looked a little tired.

But that was an amazing day. Thank you again for your kind words!
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