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Homer 06-15-2019 11:30 AM

NG Blowout sale ??? Already ?
 
Just noticed both 1/400 & 1/200 NG models being discounted 40% even releases from 2 months ago and even Delta and AA. This to me as a consumer having paid $43.95 and $53.95 for the same models is alarming. I can see models from 5-6 months ago that don’t sell being discounted but not 2 months ago. I guess I will wait from now on and only buy the ones which I feel are must haves and just wait for a Blowout to get the secondary ones.
I was told NG makes very limited runs so not sure why Delta and AA and few others are still available.
If anyone wants some it’s not hard to find whose doing the blowout 🙂
Go get them

Boeing 707-320C 06-15-2019 11:38 AM

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Not sure what was expected sales-wise despite the superb quality.

jcahea 06-15-2019 12:06 PM

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Just look at the secondary market on plane sales! Manufacturers keep flooding the market with numerous releases month after month! You can most likely find the plane you want at a lower than retail price from when it was first released.

Homer 06-15-2019 12:31 PM

That’s the whole point. If these can be sold at $35 then do it from beginning maybe more models will sell rather then seat there collecting dust.

ELY707 06-15-2019 12:34 PM

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Here's the question of questions.....does anyone know what is the production run for NG Models?

jcahea 06-15-2019 12:49 PM

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Don't know. It used to be that Mfgs. would post production numbers. AC used to do it for each release on their site, Inflight200 on their site and on cards, Skyjets on cards, JETX on the belly of the plane, Gemini Selects on the box of which 500 were made, Gemini used to do 2,500 in 1:400, and later on this was said to be reduced to 750 (maybe Russ can confirm). Unfortunately, this trend stopped when the market began to be flooded!

Homer, I think retailers try to capitalize upon release to get the most bang for their buck to balance out income from later sales. This would happen at the retailer level as the mfg. is selling to the retailers at wholesale with a suggested retail price.

The hot ones sell out and the duds linger or the once hot ones get done by someone else with improved moulds taking the resale value out of the once hot seller!

Homer 06-15-2019 01:18 PM

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The Hot ones sell out. I don't know how much hotter then Delta and AA 757's you can get?? Even those 2 are at $28???
I was told the initial releases which came in metal boxes were under 90 each made. After that i am not sure if production increased??

Perhaps NG that posts on this forum can clear up some of this because as i have been buying their beauties i am going to now be very selective and order 2-3 upon pre sale and not 6 or 7.

NG please share on this matter :sad:

Lightsnack87 06-15-2019 01:29 PM

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I agree, it's very annoying to see such deep discounts on some of these models. As Boeing 707-320C says, the normal MSRP on these is much higher and that could be part of the reason why we see this sale.

While everyone knows the models are good, buy more than three at a time and you're spending over 120 USDs. I would imagine that even on a good sales day, worldwide, you don't see more than a few dozen come off store shelves. That being said, there are a number of NG models that ARE NOT on this list and most likely are NOT on this list because they were made in small numbers and were sold off very quickly. Don't forget about market saturation, not just for particular models but market strain specifically on how much 1/400 collectors worldwide are willing to spend.

In looking at many of what waffle has for sale, a lot of it is from the past 6 months or so. In my opinion this means people still LOVE the NG product, but are having a hard time keeping up with monthly releases at this price point.

I don't think that this is a reason for concern for NG, because I think they have successfully established themselves. At this point they simply need to continue to innovate and selling of extra stick quickly should provide the capital to do so. I see this sale as a gift, take advantage while you can!

Ribeye 06-15-2019 01:51 PM

All of them say pre-order too, even ones from months ago. I wonder if that means there is a second run of ones already released or if that is a mistake.

Lightsnack87 06-15-2019 02:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ribeye (Post 2702412)
All of them say pre-order too, even ones from months ago. I wonder if that means there is a second run of ones already released or if that is a mistake.

Maybe, but I'd say it would be more likely that several of their (NG) more popular releases would be featured here (Honeywell, Beluga XL, some of the "limited" BA releases) if that were the case. The indication of a "Pre-order" likely means waffle is communicating with the manufacturer directly about their potential over stock and will place on large order with NG once all collectors have had their chance to order.

Boeing 707-320C 06-15-2019 03:11 PM

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It would be interesting to see sales figures of all releases, so worldwide we can understand demand and supply.

Inevitably, we to a degree see things from our own perspective based on where we live.

Certain owners of certain firms are very emotive, but actually I like that because it shows real passion for the hobby.

Homer 06-15-2019 04:14 PM

Here’s a thought. If these 757’s can be sold for $28 then maybe they should just sell for $35 from the start not to piss off people who pay $45. Obviously there’s room for profit at $35

Transpac787 06-15-2019 04:30 PM

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The most likely explanation is this is excess manufacturer inventory in China. Inventory that Waffle agreed to buy in bulk, for a discount.

It would explain both the “pre-order” status, as well as the deeply discounted prices.

aklein707 06-15-2019 05:43 PM

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If there's that many leftovers, then maybe their offerings aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread after all. Reading the DAC forum, that's the impression given, but then again, there's only about 8 to 10 following the Pied Piper.

Transpac787 06-15-2019 05:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aklein707 (Post 2702488)
If there's that many leftovers, then maybe their offerings aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread after all.

To play the devilís advocate, Waffle has had Aeroclassics blowout sales too.

shandaken 06-15-2019 07:23 PM

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Something’s brewing, either production numbers are fudged, or these aren’t selling as well as thought. Could really be the over saturation of the 1/400 market.

C141*Lifter 06-15-2019 07:33 PM

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Sweet! A couple of 1/200 CRJs I have no problem forking over $35 each but passed on at $55.

Harvey

RStretton 06-15-2019 10:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Transpac787 (Post 2702494)
To play the devilís advocate, Waffle has had Aeroclassics blowout sales too.

And checking his Collection Sale you'll see more than ten 2019 Aeroclassics in there suggesting they aren't necessarily collection sale models at all. Just excess stock he's picked up at discount.

Still agreed a little annoying to see models you just paid full price for at such a discount. Then again as others have said tempting to pick up some that were passed over first time around.

crownvic 06-15-2019 10:41 PM

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Its okay nearly every model he has for sale in the NG blowout sale section, he has for sale on his ebay website for almost twice the price... that should comfort everyone..

aklein707 06-16-2019 01:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Transpac787 (Post 2702494)
To play the devil’s advocate, Waffle has had Aeroclassics blowout sales too.

True, but AeroClassics has been around for 21 years and released over 3,000 different models. Not all of them were a success, and those eventually went to Blowout sales! These guys have been around for under a year; big difference!!


p.s. Just checked the DIMA database, and AeroClassics is just 20 models shy of producing 4,000 different models. WOW, that's impressive!!

Transpac787 06-16-2019 03:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aklein707 (Post 2702586)
True, but AeroClassics has been around for 21 years and released over 3,000 different models. Not all of them were a success, and those eventually went to Blowout sales! These guys have been around for under a year; big difference!!


p.s. Just checked the DIMA database, and AeroClassics is just 20 models shy of producing 4,000 different models. WOW, that's impressive!!

Nah, GJ has you beat.

I also just checked the database, and theyíve produced more than 4,000 different Emirates A380ís, alone.

ToddCB 06-16-2019 03:59 AM

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I think part of NG’s problem in having leftover stock at their factory is lack of a distribution network that compares to the other companies. I think it will take them longer to get their network really swinging. I talk to friends about diecast and many still have never heard of NG Models. And there is basically only two distributors in the US, someone said there was a third, but I’ve been unable to find it. I suspect Panda will have the same issues , especially for their liveries that aren’t Chinese based. But I did buy some NG’s that I had passed on originally for a very happy discount. ToddCB

Big Al 06-16-2019 04:53 AM

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So a model dealer famous for his 'blowout sales' is having another one and we're saying it's because NG models are not selling ? :)

ELY707 06-16-2019 10:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Al (Post 2702598)
So a model dealer famous for his 'blowout sales' is having another one and we're saying it's because NG models are not selling ? :)

There are actually 2 retailers having the same sale except that the other retailer is also offering free shipping to the 48 states as well. NG Models are selling, but not as anticipated. I know of only 3 retailers in North America selling the brand. Maybe if they spread to more retailers, they won't be stuck with so much overstock and hopefully prices will drop. I highly doubt these 2 retailers are selling at a loss.

Big Al 06-16-2019 10:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aklein707 (Post 2702586)
True, but AeroClassics has been around for 21 years and released over 3,000 different models. Not all of them were a success, and those eventually went to Blowout sales! These guys have been around for under a year; big difference!!


p.s. Just checked the DIMA database, and AeroClassics is just 20 models shy of producing 4,000 different models. WOW, that's impressive!!

21 years and many 'blowout sales' later you mean ? :D

[email protected] 06-16-2019 12:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ELY707 (Post 2702626)
There are actually 2 retailers having the same sale except that the other retailer is also offering free shipping to the 48 states as well. NG Models are selling, but not as anticipated. I know of only 3 retailers in North America selling the brand. Maybe if they spread to more retailers, they won't be stuck with so much overstock and hopefully prices will drop. I highly doubt these 2 retailers are selling at a loss.

Who is the other retailer offering free shipping.

shandaken 06-16-2019 09:51 PM

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Maybe they need to raise cash to finance the development of new moulds?

jmmccarthy2002 06-16-2019 10:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 2702678)
Who is the other retailer offering free shipping.

Another US retailer. It is by email invite only, though.

Homer 06-17-2019 01:17 AM

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Regardless of what they needed the $$$ for is not relevant. You don't screw your loyal followers by offering the models released 2 weeks ago @ $43.95 for now $28 :evil:

Very POOR business practice. If any other manufacturer does it same applies to them in my book!

AGAIN! I have NO issues with releases from 5 months ago but from 2 weeks or a month ago ?????? SERIOUSLY!

NG you have no comments????

You do have the best 757 on the market. I am not knocking your product just the business practice behind it

Kitty Hawk 1903 06-17-2019 01:38 AM

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I'm not sure what the solution as a buyer is to this? NG has pumped out a huge number of 757's. Maybe some are sitting in a factory not distributed yet? How many different Northwest/Republic combinations were made? They even did the one that had one yellow Royal Brunei cowl. I actually like several of the models they have released.

I may take a crack at a few of them for $29. I would be frustrated if I dished out full price 2-3 weeks ago. NG's stuff isn't old enough to be shelf warmers yet. IMO.

Transpac787 06-17-2019 01:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Homer (Post 2702798)
Regardless of what they needed the $$$ for is not relevant. You don't screw your loyal followers by offering the models released 2 weeks ago @ $43.95 for now $28 :evil:

Very POOR business practice. If any other manufacturer does it same applies to them in my book!

AGAIN! I have NO issues with releases from 5 months ago but from 2 weeks or a month ago ?????? SERIOUSLY!

NG you have no comments????

I guess I don't understand why you're so bent out of shape over this.

Sure, it's kind of annoying to pay a higher price, only for a lower one to be offered a few weeks later. But, to be fair, no one held a gun to your head to make you pay the $43.95 price. You mentally resolved that price was one you were willing to pay for the product you wanted, and you clicked the "place order" button of your own free will.

Yes, I understand you did not have the foresight or knowledge to know that a cheaper price would be offered only days later. But, that's just the nature of consumer markets.

You know what else was annoying?? When I paid $2.75 a gallon for gas yesterday, and today it's now $2.65. I didn't find it to be "Very POOR business practice", nor did I demand comment from the station I bought it from. Again, it's just the nature of consumer markets. Prices can fluctuate... you agreed to buy it at $43.95.

ToddCB 06-17-2019 02:18 AM

TransPac, I’m with you on this one. The models are very expensive, but i resided to the fact that’s what I need to pay for them. When I purchased my planes I was full aware of the high cost and knew I could afford them. When the prices were lowered, I didn’t get mad, but picked up a few that I had previously skipped over. Your analogy of buying gas at the pump was perfectly stated. Also during this sale- I saw several Aeroclassics, GeminiJets, and Phoenix as well.... not just NG...

C141*Lifter 06-17-2019 02:18 AM

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And....for the history books....is this the point where the consumers turn on the diecast model manufacturer (in this case NG) and start bitching about every tiny miniscule detail and whine about everything because they got "fukked" over pricing once? Is the goodwill really that lost? Really?

No regrets over paying the normal $55 for a 1/200 scale CRJ-200 I really wanted. Or the $75 I paid for the 1/200 scale CRJ-200 because I thought I didn't want it when it was released then realized I wanted it after it was completely sold out. $65 for the plain vanilla Landor 757-200 in the secondary market because I didn't jump on it when it was first released.

NG Models, ignore all of these butt-hurt people that really can't afford this hobby. Nobody was forced to pay the normal price like Transpac787 suggested, they paid because they thought it was a fair price. On the contrary, imagine if a discount sale was never offered. Then people will complain that NG doesn't offer any bargain sales. You just can't win with people who financially can't afford this hobby. Oh, a suggestion to NG with lots of potential blowback at me for suggesting this, don't do the obscure and niche hybrid liveries (like the Northwest 757 hybrid with one weird Brunei engine cowling) as most of us really don't give a hoot about such releases. Such releases will only result in discount sales that will only anger the customers like it did here. If you're going to do such obscure liveries, release like just 30 of them and charge $65 or whatever.

That Qantas 737-800 Yanayani whatever that a few on this forum are saying they will pay much more for is a good example of just releasing a limited 30 copies of and charging a high price to those that just have to have that model, because there are many of us that just don't care about such a release. Produce a good number of mainstream airliners, and a very limited number of obscure stuff that a very limited number of collectors will jump on for even a high price. Discount sale requirement gone! How good is that?!!!

Harvey

Homer 06-17-2019 02:28 AM

You all obviously are missing the point!
Paying for gas 10 cents more is not 40% less then the day before.
Also, I have no issue with moving inventory that’s seating there. But not within 2 weeks of delivering the same releases.
You want to blow out a model release 4 months ago for $10 I don’t give a damn. I have a problem with it if it was 2 weeks earlier.
And for your info I can afford these things very easily so $$ is not the point!

JC does semi annual blowout as well but not of last months releases.

C141*Lifter 06-17-2019 02:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Homer (Post 2702818)
You all obviously are missing the point!
Paying for gas 10 cents more is not 40% less then the day before.
Also, I have no issue with moving inventory thatís seating there. But not within 2 weeks of delivering the same releases.
You want to blow out a model release 4 months ago for $10 I donít give a damn. I have a problem with it if it was 2 weeks earlier.
And for your info I can afford these things very easily so $$ is not the point!

JC does semi annual blowout as well but not of last months releases.

I'm going to guess that NG is in the process of "normalizing" the number of each model they release. Mainstream models probably around or less than the same numbers and weird/obscure hybrid liveries in much more limited numbers or just not produced at all. My guess is there won't be another NG discount sale like this again.

Harvey

aklein707 06-17-2019 03:44 AM

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Sorry Harvey, but I think you've missed his point completely.

AeroClassics has had many a Blow-out sale in the 20+ year history. We've even had our famous "Stimulus Sales" at California shows in the 2009-2015 era to piss off Liberals. But those models we blew out were years old, and dead inventory. We would never blow-out things we just released a month earlier. Such actions are not conducive to repeat business or customer loyalty. (Business 101)

Boeing 707-320C 06-17-2019 05:12 AM

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I suppose NG Models are still feeling their way around this industry. Steep learning curbs and all that.

I do have sympathy with Homer's view here..........there is a difference between offering a model much cheaper 2 weeks after release, and selling unsold stock down the line. More than anything though, I would have thought its bad business practice, it seems to me to be an effective way to devalue ones own product. People will not now perhaps buy at the release price, unless its a high demand product. It makes sense on financial grounds to delay purchase, a pattern that NG have set themselves.

I don't think the comparison to fuel is quite fair or appropriate........though of course the principle is the same. But we know that crude oil prices fluctuate a lot, irrespective of demand and supply. With hobby products, dramatic price swings are unusual, especially so soon after release.

All in all, this suggests that NG have not achieved the sales levels expected, though I accept that its a very hard business economy to interpret unless you already have years of experience. And your key competitor, with long experience, is unlikely to help you with that. Even then though, its a risk-economy of course. And only the best survive.

Big Al 06-17-2019 05:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Homer (Post 2702798)
Regardless of what they needed the $$$ for is not relevant. You don't screw your loyal followers by offering the models released 2 weeks ago @ $43.95 for now $28 :evil:

Very POOR business practice. If any other manufacturer does it same applies to them in my book!

AGAIN! I have NO issues with releases from 5 months ago but from 2 weeks or a month ago ?????? SERIOUSLY!

NG you have no comments????

You do have the best 757 on the market. I am not knocking your product just the business practice behind it

Are any other retailers offering these prices ? I can't see any. Why isn't your questioning aimed at Waffles who (as said already) has these blowout sales all the time. Do you understand how Waffle operates and how he puts these deals together ? Have you seen his regular JC Wings blowout deals ? I bought a new 4K TV set recently, great sale price too. Within two weeks the price went up again. A month later it was cheaper than I had paid, It happens...

C141*Lifter 06-17-2019 06:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aklein707 (Post 2702832)
Sorry Harvey, but I think you've missed his point completely.

AeroClassics has had many a Blow-out sale in the 20+ year history. We've even had our famous "Stimulus Sales" at California shows in the 2009-2015 era to piss off Liberals. But those models we blew out were years old, and dead inventory. We would never blow-out things we just released a month earlier. Such actions are not conducive to repeat business or customer loyalty. (Business 101)

"Such actions are not conducive to repeat business or customer loyalty?" Well, I guess I'm the insane one here violating Business 101 as this sale does not affect whether I buy from NG again or not. NG's CRJ-200 blows GJ's out of the water any day, and IMHO that's all that matters. If NG produces the livery I'm looking for, I'll buy it whether there was a sale yesterday or not. I think this sale is doing exactly as intended: Getting me to reconsider purchasing two models I skipped previously.

I'd say when it comes to Airbuses, you have some loyalty. I'll get your Airbuses over GJ's or Phoenix's any day (ooh, is that customer loyalty?). But I have a hard time choosing your Airbuses when having to choose between yours and HYJL, NG, or that brand named after a black and white bear from China (S*&t, I'm disloyal!). You may think antennas are oversized on these models, but I like them!

Sell what customers want (Business 101). Figure out what customers want (the next thing we want after antennas are actual lights on wing tips, MLG, and fuselage) (Psychology 101). Produce good quality products (Operations Management 101). Produce the right number of products at the appropriate price point (Economics 101). Get Mata Hari to cough up timely hints each month (Marketing 101). Take constructive criticism kindly and handle libel, defamation and smears with a heavy hand (Public Relations 101). Produce a C-141B (Make Harvey Happy 101).

Harvey

Big Al 06-17-2019 07:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by C141*Lifter (Post 2702814)

NG Models, ignore all of these butt-hurt people that really can't afford this hobby.

Harvey

And there we have the crux of the matter. LOL

jcahea 06-17-2019 01:23 PM

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LOL Harvey! That is some good "101" stuff. LOL That is also known as "Nutshell 101"

aklein707 06-17-2019 02:51 PM

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Nice one John!! Harvey is right in most 101 points, however, the black&white bear is a non starter for me as far as tolerance. If those scumbags stole my IP (Crime & Punishment 101) they should NOT be supported in any way shape or form, no matter what they produce. (Justice 101).

I wish Harvey would get his C-141 some day soon. (Theology 101)

IflyHA 06-17-2019 03:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aklein707 (Post 2702930)
Nice one John!! Harvey is right in most 101 points, however, the black&white bear is a non starter for me as far as tolerance. If those scumbags stole my IP (Crime & Punishment 101) they should NOT be supported in any way shape or form, no matter what they produce. (Justice 101).

I wish Harvey would get his C-141 some day soon. (Theology 101)


Insert plug for Hawaiian DC-10 (Polished Politics 101)

C141*Lifter 06-17-2019 05:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aklein707 (Post 2702930)

I wish Harvey would get his C-141 some day soon. (Theology 101)

Good one!!LOL

Harvey

jcahea 06-17-2019 05:59 PM

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Yep...I bet the behind the scenes of this business is a 101 S#%t show Andrew!

Harvey, I want a C-141 too and used to see them occasionally in Taiwan between 72 and 74.

Ended up getting one of the Skyclassics 1:200 versions! She is a beauty!


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