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Old 06-13-2019, 04:42 PM   #1
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Here is my opinion of the existing and released active Tristar moulds side by side. Both have good points and less good points.

In a no doubt vain attempt to deflect the tidal wave of criticism coming from the usual suspects read this disclaimer:
a) This is my honest opinion and I believe in freedom of speech
b) If you don't care about the models and just want to have 'fun' then don't read this - simple as that. I'm not making you
c) Yes I have got a free model or two on occasion. Mainly from JC Wings. It has had no impact on what I say in reviews and anyone who says it has is a liar
d) No doubt the manufacturers may improve the moulds. This doesn't invalidate the comments in this review and it is highly unlikely they will make significant changes to them. If they do subsequently I will report that, but I can't review what I haven't seen can I?
e) Nobody appointed me chief reviewer or anything else and I don't consider myself to be that. However I run a site which does reviews. Live with it.
f) I find it curious that the same people who say I have no influence spend a lot of time abusing me personally and trying to shut me down. They rarely argue the points in the reviews though - funny that.

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https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/m...gs-gemini-jets

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The too short nose gear is the thing that bugs me the most about these. Other than the 500 series wings debacle, I'm reasonably happy with them. Having seen and handled the forthcoming NG samples at LGW2019, I'm keen to see some finished product.
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Read your article throughly, I think you presented it in a very diplomatic way. By stating your observations and the scaling chart, ultimately it’s left up to the collector to decide on what they want to purchase. With more and more internet sales and less brick n mortar shops, the collectors including myself are simply buying blindly. So I really like these reviews and find them to be a very valuable tool when I’m spending over $50 per plane after shipping and taxes. An expensive hobby to say the least. Thank you for taking your time and creativity to do this comparison review. ToddCB
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Read your article throughly, I think you presented it in a very diplomatic way. By stating your observations and the scaling chart, ultimately it’s left up to the collector to decide on what they want to purchase. With more and more internet sales and less brick n mortar shops, the collectors including myself are simply buying blindly. So I really like these reviews and find them to be a very valuable tool when I’m spending over $50 per plane after shipping and taxes. An expensive hobby to say the least. Thank you for taking your time and creativity to do this comparison review. ToddCB
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I've always loved your reviews and tbh, it's great to have them and I consider them very worthwhile and helpful. Anyone who has to criticise you in what I personally consider is an excellent job every time, is just plain and simply.....SAD!!! Carry on the great work mate!
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I do hope that potential critics read your very fair and reasonable disclaimers.

This is a fair, nuanced, and thoughtful review. Both moulds are serviceable and I have examples of both. But neither is the definitive L-1011-1 mould that 1:400 is looking for.

The bloated no. 2 engine and s-duct on the Lockness really stands out to me. Even if mould improvements are more costly than gear changes, that duct should be tweaked.

I won't avoid either mould either, but in 2019 it is reasonable to expect better. As Todd notes, models are getting costly. AC has shown us what's possible with their DC-10 and DC-9 moulds, as has NG with their 757. JC and AC should keep tweaking these L-1011's.

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The feature most are struggling to capture is the almost-dolphin like nose / cockpit.
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The feature most are struggling to capture is the almost-dolphin like nose / cockpit.
This is very true. No one has ever got that quite right (yet) and it's such a key feature. It's the 'face' and 'personality' of the aircraft, and it is very distinctive, along with the large cockpit windows. It's sets the L-1011 apart; a truly innovative and unique aircraft which has proved to be quite the enigma to replicate!

Agree with everyone else - a fair, carefully balanced review, pointing out all the main areas for improvement; thank you Richard.




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Agree with everyone else - a fair, carefully balanced review, pointing out all the main areas for improvement; thank you Richard.
I'll second this. Thanks, Richard.
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Easy for people, who have absolutely no financial risk or investment in this business, (yes, it's a business), to make their so-called expert analysis, when they have absolutely no idea how to implement their nitpicks without bankrupting the company targeted in the anal retentive synopsis.
I still don't know what exactly their objective is? To take the fun out of the hobby by insinuating that everything has faults? In fact, nothing is perfect, so what's the point? To make themselves important? Nah... I don't think so. The important ones are those who poured their blood, sweat, and tears, not to mention, a boatload of money, into this business, and not those self proclaimed experts who just nitpick everything to death, pissing us all off collectively, and sucking the fun out of the hobby for most collectors.
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This forum hosts both producers and collectors. AeroClassics used to be the one of the best, if not the best manufacturer, you could bank on it. Recent releases would seem to me, to fall short of what AC used to stand for. And as collectors, we are free to appraise, evaluate, and comment on the models we may or may not wish to purchase, and yes, we do rely on published images. It is a fun hobby, but an expensive one, and with the number of new releases, and especially, with duplicate and competing moulds we must compare and analyze. That's the other side of the business. Doug
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Easy for people, who have absolutely no financial risk or investment in this business, (yes, it's a business), to make their so-called expert analysis, when they have absolutely no idea how to implement their nitpicks without bankrupting the company targeted in the anal retentive synopsis.
I still don't know what exactly their objective is? To take the fun out of the hobby by insinuating that everything has faults? In fact, nothing is perfect, so what's the point? To make themselves important? Nah... I don't think so. The important ones are those who poured their blood, sweat, and tears, not to mention, a boatload of money, into this business, and not those self proclaimed experts who just nitpick everything to death, pissing us all off collectively, and sucking the fun out of the hobby for most collectors.
Aeroclassics has always been a high quality manufacturer and many of the excellent moulds have been appreciated and praised by the collectorate...and rightly so. I particularly like the Boeing 737, the DC-9, the DC-8, the DC-10, the A310, the A320 and the latest Boeing 767 releases. It's a great product portfolio.

However, there are just a few moulds that do no meet the standards you've come to expect from Aeroclassics. It's sad but to simply ignore it is no option. And criticising one particular mould or model does in no way diminish what Aeroclassics has contributed to this hobby.

PS: I have spent thousands of dollars on 1/400 models so claiming I haven't financially invested in this hobby is totally unfair.
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The important ones are those who poured their blood, sweat, and tears, not to mention, a boatload of money, into this business
And surely not the customers, right? Man you sound like a crazy multi level marketing cat lady on boomerbook.
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Whatever the pro's and cons, it is surely an economic risk for 3 manufacturers to produce the same model within a short period of time, especially when its already been done reasonably well and as an airliner that was in relative terms, quite a poor seller. Beautiful though it is.

Probably only going to be one winner, or at minimum two..........with the first release possibly selling quite well. Its an increased risk because you probably know its going to be closely scrutinised against competitors products. Not inferring any criticism here, just a layman's observation.
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PS: I have spent thousands of dollars on 1/400 models so claiming I haven't financially invested in this hobby is totally unfair.

This is just so true. I think all of us have! My modest collection of 200-odd models comes to nearly £9,000. And yes. Most of these are Aeroclassics.



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I'd like to see the manufacturers concentrate more on the landing gear detail. This to me is what makes the look different between toy-like and a collectible. Can't wait to see NG's mould.
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Aeroclassics has always been a high quality manufacturer and many of the excellent moulds have been appreciated and praised by the collectorate...and rightly so. I particularly like the Boeing 737, the DC-9, the DC-8, the DC-10, the A310, the A320 and the latest Boeing 767 releases. It's a great product portfolio.

However, there are just a few moulds that do no meet the standards you've come to expect from Aeroclassics. It's sad but to simply ignore it is no option. And criticising one particular mould or model does in no way diminish what Aeroclassics has contributed to this hobby.

PS: I have spent thousands of dollars on 1/400 models so claiming I haven't financially invested in this hobby is totally unfair.
Please do not misinterpret my remarks!! I am in no way criticizing you, or any other collector for that matter. I am criticizing those who think they have the right to tell anyone what is good, or what is bad. There are no appointed experts. I think everyone has eyes and a brain to process what they are seeing, combined with their own tastes and standards. We as a group, do not need to be told that something is 0.002 mm off. Who the F cares!! This is 1:400 scale, not the real thing. It doesn't fly, and doesn't need an FAA or CAA inspection certificate. If it looks great on your display shelf or airport diorama, that's what this hobby is all about. Some people are sucking the fun out of it with their endless nitpicking, and chronic whining. If some of you want to whine, I'll recommend you a good vineyard.
Personally, I love those in this hobby who add a certain enjoyment or flair; Martin with his DUS diorama, Gavin with his PER diorama, Jack with his HNL dioramas, Adrian with his picturesque X-mas cards, etc. etc.

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And surely not the customers, right? Man you sound like a crazy multi level marketing cat lady on boomerbook.
Go wank off you morsel of cat turd. I'm sure you can write a testimonial to the greatness of North Korea and the Kim family!! You are the type I am referring to, who is NOT a customer, nor an enthusiast. You're nothing but a sick troll living a miserable life. How about taking your misery and pathetic existence elsewhere!
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This forum hosts both producers and collectors. AeroClassics used to be the one of the best, if not the best manufacturer, you could bank on it. Recent releases would seem to me, to fall short of what AC used to stand for. And as collectors, we are free to appraise, evaluate, and comment on the models we may or may not wish to purchase, and yes, we do rely on published images. It is a fun hobby, but an expensive one, and with the number of new releases, and especially, with duplicate and competing moulds we must compare and analyze. That's the other side of the business. Doug
Fair statement Doug, but as of today, there are still no published images of the latest AC round, and yet the so-called experts are claiming certain brands to be better than other brands. That is completely ludicrous and moronic.
When the Lochness monster sprouted it's first Tristar, there were a few issues, mainly the cockpit windows. They have been corrected.
So why must people continue to whine?

Thanks for your comments again Doug, appreciated!
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Well said Andrew! When displayed who notices all this stuff! Do collectors really hold a plane and stare at it with laser like eyesight! Get a life people and enjoy the hobby for what they are...a CLOSE representation of the real ones!
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I can’t believe I’m jumping in here. First, I just shouldn’t...I’m as knowledge as a door knob. And second, I’m experienced in this hobby as a cicada is to daylight. However, I have spent over $10k, probably closer or in the range of $20k—$30k, on this hobby, so my money goes somewhere..

The reviews are appreciated. And the manufacturers retorts and opinions are welcomed. By me, at least. Like the OP said, Freedom of Speech supporter.

It’s too bad collectors attack collectors, and manufacturer reps attack collectors. Some manufacturers express how much investment they’ve put into these products, and behave like it’s their divine right that nobody criticize their hard work. I can understand the sentiment and frustration, but I’ll also say, the companies are in fact getting paid, right?! I mean.. they’re not doing this for charity.. And if they’re not seeing the return, than stop doing it. Your choice. I’d rather enjoy the hobby, or not be in it, instead of always being made to feel like favors are being dealt my way, when in fact I’m actually PAYING for ownership of these models and exercising my Freedom of Speech, free trade, rights about them (well... other whiner collectors are.. not me.. I’m a door knob).
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Go wank off you morsel of cat turd. I'm sure you can write a testimonial to the greatness of North Korea and the Kim family!! You are the type I am referring to, who is NOT a customer, nor an enthusiast. You're nothing but a sick troll living a miserable life. How about taking your misery and pathetic existence elsewhere!
Well I’m certainly not one of your customers. I appreciate the work of Richard the “nitpicker” and I suppose some collectors’ standards are just higher than you are interested or capable of producing as of late.
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I can’t believe I’m jumping in here. First, I just shouldn’t...I’m as knowledge as a door knob. And second, I’m experienced in this hobby as a cicada is to daylight. However, I have spent over $10k, probably closer or in the range of $20k—$30k, on this hobby, so my money goes somewhere..

The reviews are appreciated. And the manufacturers retorts and opinions are welcomed. By me, at least. Like the OP said, Freedom of Speech supporter.

It’s too bad collectors attack collectors, and manufacturer reps attack collectors. Some manufacturers express how much investment they’ve put into these products, and behave like it’s their divine right that nobody criticize their hard work. I can understand the sentiment and frustration, but I’ll also say, the companies are in fact getting paid, right?! I mean.. they’re not doing this for charity.. And if they’re not seeing the return, than stop doing it. Your choice. I’d rather enjoy the hobby, or not be in it, instead of always being made to feel like favors are being dealt my way, when in fact I’m actually PAYING for ownership of these models and exercising my Freedom of Speech, free trade, rights about them (well... other whiner collectors are.. not me.. I’m a door knob).
Interesting post Mr. Doorknob. I'm a firm believer in free speech as well, but free speech is a two way street, and when people make moronic statements (not you!!!!) they should not be surprised when they get called out on it.
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Well I’m certainly not one of your customers. I appreciate the work of Richard the “nitpicker” and I suppose some collectors’ standards are just higher than you are interested or capable of producing as of late.
Those you refer to will not be happy with anything; it's been proven time and again. Nice try arschloch.
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You can always rely on Mr Klein to come out with some absolute belters of insults!


For me, I like reading 1/400 reviews that John Champs and Richard do, mostly because of the pictures so I can get a good idea at what I'm buying beforehand, rather than the actual worded review of the pros and cons, because most of the time they don't really matter unless you inspect them close up (unless its a terrible mould like the PHX 747 or horrific bad colour match), you're not going to see the slightly off coloured parts or lumpy wheels or chipped engine rim if its on display after all. I say buy what you like
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Exactly! And while I agree about the photo comparison only without words, PLEASE for those doing reviews, do the same livery comparison photos with the plane/airframe placing them in the same position (not nose to nose, tail to tail, etc.). One looking at the photo can compare (FOR THEMSELVES) better when the same livery and same position of 2 planes are shown in a photo!

You don't take a photo of 2 babes on the beach for comparison of their cans or trunk, but then show two F#$king pictures, one with one facing one way and one facing the other and vice versa! It's bad enough that the bikinis may be different!
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and another thing! If you think I am nitpicking the presentation (not the quality) of the photo...I am!
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Old 06-15-2019, 04:11 PM   #29
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and a third thing! If you come back at me with that the other Mfg doesn't have the same livery, what in the hell are you comparing then! I can hear it now, "I am comparing the mould"! Great, good on ya, but I can't tell without something painted, printed, decaled or whatever the F%$king method is how good the mould is without something on it and preferably the same damned airline in the same damned position!

You 400 guys are driving me to book a flight to the DR so I can drink from the mini bar!
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and a 4th thing! (normally only do 3). Different liveries accentuate certain parts of an airframe on the real thing and on a model!
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I'd stay away from the DR John, but we can have a good stiff drink together in Sept. at the Newark show, and both live to talk about it!
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Dr. John is a great fella, and I hope to lift one with him before the grim reaper comes to call. Matter of fact, I'll buy a round whenever this wild and crazy bunch meets down the trail. We're not all cut from the same cloth, but damn, we enjoy the same hobby. Great bunch, Doug
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I am criticizing those who think they have the right to tell anyone what is good, or what is bad. There are no appointed experts. I think everyone has eyes and a brain to process what they are seeing, combined with their own tastes and standards. We as a group, do not need to be told that something is 0.002 mm off. Who the F cares!!

Some people are sucking the fun out of it with their endless nitpicking, and chronic whining.
I see you failed to read or understand these points from the disclaimer:

b) If you don't care about the models and just want to have 'fun' then don't read this - simple as that. I'm not making you

d) No doubt the manufacturers may improve the moulds. This doesn't invalidate the comments in this review and it is highly unlikely they will make significant changes to them. If they do subsequently I will report that, but I can't review what I haven't seen can I?

e) Nobody appointed me chief reviewer or anything else and I don't consider myself to be that. However I run a site which does reviews. Live with it.

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Old 06-15-2019, 06:41 PM   #34
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Interesting post Mr. Doorknob. I'm a firm believer in free speech as well, but free speech is a two way street, and when people make moronic statements (not you!!!!) they should not be surprised when they get called out on it.
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Sounds good Andrew and Doug! I'll get the second round! Yeah I better stay away from the DR! If I made it out alive, i'd probably come home suffering from something else or get that unwanted father's day card 16 to 18 years down the road!

RStretton, please consider my suggestions re the pictures! I don't have the mental capacity anymore to click back and forth between pics, liveries, sides, angles, dangles, what have you!

All in good fun fellas! Gotta laugh...gotta laugh! Here's to keeping things light! Happy collecting!
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