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As with a lot of things in life, it seems that people focus only on the criticisms and never remember the praise. And they are way too quick to assume ill-intent, when the reality is that criticism can come from a place of good, of wanting to help everyone reach their best. But ultimately, I am my own arbiter of what I want to buy, and I think most of us are the same way.

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I think we're grown ups and can make our own decisions as to what to buy. In fact several people have said on this and other threads that they'll wait and see the new moulds come to light first before deciding what to buy.

Does Richard do nitpicking, maybe to some, but to others it's welcome. I enjoy the comparisons he produces, but I also make up my own mind as to whether the criticisms or praise are justified. The other thing I'll say is that he praises AC a lot, both on here and FB forums, just as he does other manufacturers when they deserve it.
Well said that man! Everyone has different standards. My main priority is to have the livery right! I hate printing errors like cheatlines printed too high or missing details. However, it's all about nostalgia and having a replica of your favourite plane. I enjoy Richard's reviews and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but at the end of the day if it looks right to me, I will buy it.
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Thanks Aeroclassics for the 767-200F DHL N469AX please release next the A300-600RF german rego from DHL-EAT-LEIPZIG
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I was just browsing some auctions on ebay, and noticed one seller has some of the June Aeroclassics releases up. Not all of the L1011's, but a few.

Most look good, though I noticed the forward cargo door on the Hawaiian is way, way too high. Unless that cargo door partially opened into the cabin on the real thing, it's definitely incorrect.

As best as I can tell, the ATA and BA didn't suffer from the same misprint issue. But for those diehard fans, maybe best to wait until your retailers release more detailed photos of them to tell for sure.

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The DHL 767-200 and American A321neo, on the other hand, didn't fare as well as the new L1011's. They have some rather profound errors, that are impossible to miss.

The DHL 762 is freighter on the port side, and passenger jet on the starboard side. Don't know how the heck that one happened. That's a fairly major QC error. In the total off-chance the real thing had unplugged windows on the starboard side, I checked A.net for recent photos. Looks like the real thing is an actual freighter.... no unpainted/unplugged windows.

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The last major error, that's at least immediately visible, is on the AA A321neo. For one, the registration is printed as N400N. The real thing is N400AN. For two, the door configuration was incorrectly printed as 8 main doors. The real thing has only 6 main doors, plus 2 overwing exits. I'm not sure how that error was made... artwork design must have been done using A321ceo as a reference, instead of the actual A321neo.

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To be clear, I didn't make these posts to bash on AC or anything. Only posting the first photos of the actual products, announced from some time ago.

I had planned on buying several, but unfortunately it looks like I might have to rethink all those now, given the numerous (and rather significant) errors.
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No pics of the Britannia 767?
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No pics of the Britannia 767?
No pics from that seller, at least. The only other June releases they had posted were the Spirit A321 and JetBlue A320, both of which appeared to be correctly-done, at quick glance.
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The last major error, that's at least immediately visible, is on the AA A321neo. For one, the registration is printed as N400N. The real thing is N400AN. For two, the door configuration was incorrectly printed as 8 main doors. The real thing has only 6 main doors, plus 2 overwing exits. I'm not sure how that error was made... artwork design must have been done using A321ceo as a reference, instead of the actual A321neo.
Unfortunately that's the level we have come to expect recently from Aeroclassics.
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The Tristar's actually look very nice, from what I can tell from these photos. The cockpit looks fairly accurate to me, though would like to see better images.
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Found one DHL 767 freighter with unplugged windows, but not sure if other side was plugged (seems unlikely)

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To be fair there are pictures of N769AX in DHL colors with unplugged windows.



But looks like this was before the main deck cargo door was added.

So in reality, if there were windows on both sides it would be correct. Likely photos of the aircraft at different times were used.



Looks like once the cargo door was added, all the windows were plugged. Going off the date of the picture, it was February 2010.

As for the American...... HOW?!?!? Laziness is the only explanation.
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The last major error, that's at least immediately visible, is on the AA A321neo. For one, the registration is printed as N400N. The real thing is N400AN. For two, the door configuration was incorrectly printed as 8 main doors. The real thing has only 6 main doors, plus 2 overwing exits. I'm not sure how that error was made... artwork design must have been done using A321ceo as a reference, instead of the actual A321neo.
Looks like I'll be ordering the Gemini one.
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Not to bash Aeroclassics as over half my collection are these models, but what exactly is going on? This is slowly becoming more and more common for these errors.. I just don't get it
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Some more info on DHL 767-200 N769AX.

Link to Airliners.net photo of N769AX with unplugged starboard windows, in 2009.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/DHL-...8BM9IuiA%3D%3D

Link to Airliners.net photo of N679AX in 2010 at TLV for conversion, port windows appear to be plugged.

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Not sure if the aircraft ever had port side plugged and starboard not plugged, though. Could Aeroclassics factory staff have gotten photos from different times of each side?

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The DHL 767-200 and American A321neo, on the other hand, didn't fare as well as the new L1011's. They have some rather profound errors, that are impossible to miss.

The DHL 762 is freighter on the port side, and passenger jet on the starboard side. Don't know how the heck that one happened. That's a fairly major QC error. In the total off-chance the real thing had unplugged windows on the starboard side, I checked A.net for recent photos. Looks like the real thing is an actual freighter.... no unpainted/unplugged windows.
Richard Stretton proofed that artwork, so please ask him that question.

I guess the one who so quickly criticizes the work of others isn't so perfect himself!!
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Unfortunately that's the level we have come to expect recently from Aeroclassics.
Go fukk yourself!!

Perhaps the person responsible for checking the artwork should chime in.
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Richard Stretton proofed that artwork, so please ask him that question.

I guess the one who so quickly criticizes the work of others isn't so perfect himself!!
Thanks Andrew. I did indeed and it was indeed my mistake to not spot it. Then again I was hoping that seeing as I was checking almost every model for you and as I was an unpaid volunteer someone at your company had an ounce of sense and I wasn't the only thing in the way of this sort of error. Y'know I have a real full time job, a family and my own website to run? How many errors was I picking up though and do you really want to discuss this on a forum?

If you can point our where I suggested I was perfect (or where this is in anyway my work) then that's good otherwise to coin your favourite phrase you can STFU

Sorry guys. I tried to pickup on all the mistakes Aeroclassics factory was making but there were so many some slipped through . In all seriousness I can confirm that rechecking the sheet Jim is correct and his guess at how the error was made is spot on. For each model art sheet Aeroclassics use only two photo images as the source (one for each side) and it seems nobody checks other photo evidence. They just accept the photos they are given. There have been plenty of other instances were the images of either side didn't match.

Anyway Andrew hasn't been returning my messages since I dared to suggest his L-1011s weren't perfect and has instead been preferring to abuse me on DAC so I can only assume that I won't be reviewing any future artwork? That's a shame. I wish AC no particular ill will but what can I say you can't act one way in private and then another in public.

The AA A321neo never came past me so that one is not my mistake. There's probably about half a month's releases still to come I did review and after that...
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So how much longer before a full set of official pics are released on this thread? Hardly anyone is going to order without seeing them and here we are nearly at the end of June???
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All this drama and posting has certainly made up for a lack of models / photos.

Is a lack of photos the way things are going now? Because of the scrutiny?
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There is a pic of the Aero Peru/Britannia 767 on eBay. It looks fantastic. I'd love a few Piedmont bare metals in real polished bare metal!
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Now you're talking! PIEDMONTS!
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There have been plenty of other instances were the images of either side didn't match.
The United DC-10-10 Saul Bass with large titles from some months ago! Still kinda salty about that one. A release I would have loved, ended up having to pass on because of such a significant error.
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The United DC-10-10 Saul Bass with large titles from some months ago! Still kinda salty about that one. A release I would have loved, ended up having to pass on because of such a significant error.
What was wrong with that one?

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What was wrong with that one?
The DC-10-30 was correct. The DC-10-10 was only half correct; the starboard side correctly showed that of a Dash-10, where the port side was that of a Dash-30. It's a small, yet very distinct error. Made by, I assume, slapdash reference photos and not realizing the intricacies in the different variants.

United's DC-10-10's were all originally delivered with below-deck galleys, but beginning in the early-to-mid 80's were all converted to have their galleys on deck. As United began acquiring used DC-10-30's in the mid 80's, United acquired only those with below-deck galleys. Thus leading to a difference in configuration; the DC-10-10 held 28F/259Y, the DC-10-30 held 38F/260Y.

The DC-10-10 had a significant number of windows blocked forward of doors 2LR, with none blocked aft of 2LR. The DC-10-30, on the other hand, had no windows blocked forward of 2LR, but with a few blocked aft. This is because of the difference in galley and cabin configurations between the two. Differences pointed out in the attached photos.

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The starboard side on both models is correctly-rendered. The port side, however, is correct for the Dash-30, but not the Dash-10. The Dash-10 was given a Dash-30 port side.

Some might not care at all, but for me... I couldn't buy a United DC-10 that was basically a -10/-30 hybrid, depending on what side you looked at. Huge bummer, honestly, as I would have loved to have bought both.

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The starboard side on both models is correctly-rendered. The port side, however, is correct for the Dash-30, but not the Dash-10. The Dash-10 was given a Dash-30 port side.

Some might not care at all, but for me... I couldn't buy a United DC-10 that was basically a -10/-30 hybrid, depending on what side you looked at. Huge bummer, honestly, as I would have loved to have bought both.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. Whew! I thought there was something significant like this DHL 767. I'm one of those that can live with this error on my UA DC-10-10.

The DHL 767, however, that is huge. So, there was a mistake on the art review. But is there no one on the factory line that could have done a "Hey, wait a minute, is this right?" I'm guessing factory line workers just follow orders without question or they just don't care enough to raise the potential issue.

In this situation, I'd be putting a "2 in 1" sticker on the box highlighting the ability to show different configurations depending on how you display the model (anyone remember that fantasy KLM/Air France split livery 747-400 by Dragon Wings?). How else can you make this situation any better at this point?

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There are photos of a few of them on eBay now, although mostly from one side only and not the best photos. The Britannia B762 looks good.
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BA TriStar now on Ebay.................

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The last major error, that's at least immediately visible, is on the AA A321neo. For one, the registration is printed as N400N. The real thing is N400AN. For two, the door configuration was incorrectly printed as 8 main doors. The real thing has only 6 main doors, plus 2 overwing exits. I'm not sure how that error was made... artwork design must have been done using A321ceo as a reference, instead of the actual A321neo.
Ouch, I don't really care about the registration number but the incorrect door configuration is pretty obvious. Maybe we'll get a re-release with a different N number?
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Ouch, I don't really care about the registration number but the incorrect door configuration is pretty obvious. Maybe we'll get a re-release with a different N number?
A re-release would be nice, I would order it.
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The DHL 767, however, that is huge. So, there was a mistake on the art review. But is there no one on the factory line that could have done a "Hey, wait a minute, is this right?" I'm guessing factory line workers just follow orders without question or they just don't care enough to raise the potential issue.

In this situation, I'd be putting a "2 in 1" sticker on the box highlighting the ability to show different configurations depending on how you display the model (anyone remember that fantasy KLM/Air France split livery 747-400 by Dragon Wings?). How else can you make this situation any better at this point?

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Your guess in the first paragraph is 100% correct. I am dealing with pure stupidity, which is why I have trusted people to assist with proofing artwork. When they miss it too, we get these screw-ups. Since I can not be in the factory 24/7, I need to put my trust in others.

Your second paragraph is an EXCELLENT idea, and I will go forward using it.

The error on the AA A321N is 100% mine, due to lack of info and photos at the time the model was planned. The incorrect reg. was supplied by the dealer requesting this model, who will also go unnamed at this time. Since this isn't the first time an incorrect registration is used on a new model (other brands not to be named have done it numerous times before). The artists conceptual drawings on the news of this aircraft were incorrect, so this model represents that concept, and not the actual aircraft. It wouldn't be the first time in this hobby that such an occurrence has taken place either. Otherwise, there is nothing wrong with the model. It is obviously not meant for the "rivet counters", but the other 95+% of this hobby will welcome it.

Harvey, instead of the chronic whining of others, you have some positive ideas in your feedback, which is highly appreciated. Thank-you very much for your refreshing post!!
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The error on the AA A321N is 100% mine, due to lack of info and photos at the time the model was planned. The incorrect reg. was supplied by the dealer requesting this model, who will also go unnamed at this time. Since this isn't the first time an incorrect registration is used on a new model (other brands not to be named have done it numerous times before). The artists conceptual drawings on the news of this aircraft were incorrect, so this model represents that concept, and not the actual aircraft. It wouldn't be the first time in this hobby that such an occurrence has taken place either. Otherwise, there is nothing wrong with the model. It is obviously not meant for the "rivet counters", but the other 95+% of this hobby will welcome it.
I had already pre-ordered the plane, rather than pay a restocking fee, I went ahead and kept the order, should arrive on Monday.
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If you are not a rivet counter Michael, then you will be pleased with the model.
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Andrew, don't you love when someone half admits it's their fault for a screw up when something goes wrong with all the caveats! Either do it or don't. You screw up, don't throw all the excuses in your explanation! One would think he just did it intentionally so he could criticize it later!

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OMG, and I thought it couldn't get worse.
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