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Old 04-30-2019, 12:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi All,

New to this Forum and only recently started collecting 1/400 Scale Aircrafts.

Have a quick query, lately I have noticed that some of the paint details on my models have rubbed off slightly. I have actually completely lost one B787 because of this. Now I usually store my models in the box but take it out a lot for taking photos etc for my Instagram account.

Is it because I am touching the models with my bare hands therefore sweat and oil ends up rubbing off the paint and if so how should I handle the models in future?

Sorry if it has been repeated, I tried looking through the forum and most are only about putting them out of sunlight which I am.

Just a bit concerned, already have 20 models but if I keep losing models I might stop but then who does?

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Old 04-30-2019, 03:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Weird, I have models feom multiple brands, held them in my hands a couple of times to make room for other models, but they still look brand new. What models are you talking about?
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Never had this problem either and handle them when needed for cleaning. Usually do that with a make-up blusher brush.
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Weird, I have models feom multiple brands, held them in my hands a couple of times to make room for other models, but they still look brand new. What models are you talking about?
Well I have a few, the one right now is a JC Wings B777-300ER. I tend to hold the models by the tail so the Registration are almost gone now like smudged in some way. I dont know why this is.

Must note that I live in Malaysia so its a hot and Humid. The bookshelf is in a lounge of some sort but doesn't get any air or anything. Could it be Humidity at play?
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Never had this problem either and handle them when needed for cleaning. Usually do that with a make-up blusher brush.
Yeah I haven't had any problems for like 1 year until recently. Could it be Humidity at play?

Im now resorting to only handling them with a thin cotton fabric/glove to make sure I dont damage it further.

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My half does the model maintenance.
If they don't shine, she gets punished severely.
She's also in charge of model orders.
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My half does the model maintenance.
If they don't shine, she gets punished severely.
She's also in charge of model orders.
Anyway I can get her advice? 🤔🤔
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I've often wondered if handling them and the transfer of 'bodily products' might have an effect in the long term.
I've only recently settled down long-term enough to be able to display a few of my models mostly, at present, my latest acquisitions. I've been collecting since the early 2000s and the bulk of my collection is in storage and few have ever been out of their boxes except for initial inspection. That will change now and I have bought a box of thin white cotton gloves to wear when handling my models to avoid any damage.
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That will change now and I have bought a box of thin white cotton gloves to wear when handling my models to avoid any damage.

Excellent idea, and what was your source for the cotton gloves? Thanx, Doug
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.....what was your source for the cotton gloves?
I've actually had them for several years, Doug, and never used them before. I got them from a hardware store in Oman where I was living at the time and happened to see them when I was there for something more normal like a screwdriver or whatever. Thought they would be useful for handling my models but never thought that so much time would pass until I did.


I've just googled 'white cotton gloves' and this result came up:

https://www.walmart.com/browse/healt...571007_1424843
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This is a really irritating problem that is all too familiar...another area to look at is the packaging itself. Check the plastic cradle that the model is sitting in - it could be rubbing against it at certain points causing a phenomenon known as 'cradle rash' - the Big Bird 747's are notorious for it; mainly at the rear fuselage/tail area where those really annoying smudge marks can be found at the sides, erasing part of the registration, and on the underside, where parts of the cheatline can be rubbed off, causing the model to look like it's had a recent case of 'tail strike'. I have solved this issue by using thin foam sheets, cut to size and placed at all the key areas under the model in the cradle in order to protect it better. It works! I've replaced all the thin plastic sheets with these, also cutting a '+' in sections of foam placed under the nosegear, so it can poke through where applicable. I have noticed that some manufacturers - Aeroclassics being one - have begun to use these foam sheets in their packaging in place of the plastic ones recently; they are much more effective.


I use 'Maniac Mesh', thin foam sheets made by a brand called Framar, a product normally used by hairdressers when doing hair colouring (my wife is a hairstylist), and it has worked really well!
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I've often wondered if handling them and the transfer of 'bodily products' might have an effect in the long term.
I've only recently settled down long-term enough to be able to display a few of my models mostly, at present, my latest acquisitions. I've been collecting since the early 2000s and the bulk of my collection is in storage and few have ever been out of their boxes except for initial inspection. That will change now and I have bought a box of thin white cotton gloves to wear when handling my models to avoid any damage.
Yeap! I have just bought myself a pair of Jewellery inspection gloves. Should work well. I mean they use them on Gold surely its fine for the models!
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This is a really irritating problem that is all too familiar...another area to look at is the packaging itself. Check the plastic cradle that the model is sitting in - it could be rubbing against it at certain points causing a phenomenon known as 'cradle rash' - the Big Bird 747's are notorious for it; mainly at the rear fuselage/tail area where those really annoying smudge marks can be found at the sides, erasing part of the registration, and on the underside, where parts of the cheatline can be rubbed off, causing the model to look like it's had a recent case of 'tail strike'. I have solved this issue by using thin foam sheets, cut to size and placed at all the key areas under the model in the cradle in order to protect it better. It works! I've replaced all the thin plastic sheets with these, also cutting a '+' in sections of foam placed under the nosegear, so it can poke through where applicable. I have noticed that some manufacturers - Aeroclassics being one - have begun to use these foam sheets in their packaging in place of the plastic ones recently; they are much more effective.


I use 'Maniac Mesh', thin foam sheets made by a brand called Framar, a product normally used by hairdressers when doing hair colouring (my wife is a hairstylist), and it has worked really well!
Ahh At least Im not going crazy thinking im the only one. I have come to the conclusion that it may be a combination of things that's doing this. I say my hands which are always greasy, the pressure of when Im holding it and humidity. I am going to try and be more careful with my models now with gloves and all.

Should I replace all the plastic liner in the box with non acid paper too? Or are they fine?
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Another cotton glove user here. Climate isn't much of a concern here in the UK and my models do not get handled much at all but I do use gloves when it comes to it.

If you keep them in the boxes, could it be the plastic packaging rubbing or reacting?
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Another cotton glove user here. Climate isn't much of a concern here in the UK and my models do not get handled much at all but I do use gloves when it comes to it.

If you keep them in the boxes, could it be the plastic packaging rubbing or reacting?
Ohh I don't know to be honest. I am fairly new to the diecast world so not too sure?
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I've just googled 'white cotton gloves' and this result came up:

https://www.walmart.com/browse/healt...571007_1424843

Thanks, Dave. Good old WallyWorld - done deal. Now, if they'd just carry 1/400 diecast airliners... Doug
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Make sure to delicately touch models with a bare metal finish for example old American Airlines livery. Alcohol can easily wipe off paint if you used a cloth with even a tiny bit of alcohol to clean your models but after owning over a 100 models now I’ve never seen this problem even once before and some models are already 20 years old
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I am touching the models with my bare hands therefore sweat and oil ends up rubbing off the paint and if so how should I handle the models in future?
I use cotton gloves if that helps, i use them a lot when i also handle plastic models, the ones that you build yourself.. i believe you have oily hands, see your hands have pores called sebaceous glands that produce sebum which is the cause of the oily hands you experience, everybody has them trust me.. in your case they produce to much of them, therefor the excessive oily hands but just what i mentioned use the cotton gloves, it really works most of the time!
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Not sure if can see it but the Registration is completely gone basically. I usually hold the model by the tail when moving it around so maybe me not being delicate enough and also bare hands which I never really thought about...
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Should I replace all the plastic liner in the box with non acid paper too? Or are they fine?
You could use acid-free paper too if you wish; I've just used the foam sheets to replace all the plastic liners in mine and it has been very effective
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I suspect that the printing quality could also be an issue on the model perhaps, because I've never experienced tampo printed details rubbing off on any of my models just by simply handling them. Enamel paint should withstand that; maybe they're using some kind of cheaper paint to print these details with. I have some old diecast toy cars which even have pad printed details on them - handled those all the time back in the day with my grubby little hands, they have chipped paint etc. but the printed details are all still there - just as they were then!
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I have not experienced this in 10 years of handling with bare hands. I do also have cotton gloves, but mainly for the glass doors on my cabinets which I don't want to get fingerprints all over.

I actually have had more issues when I have used the gloves to handle the models, because the gloves are more liable to get caught on antennas and cause you to fumble the model. I prefer to have all the dexterity of my hands when I am handling them. YMMV...
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I have not experienced this in 10 years of handling with bare hands. I do also have cotton gloves, but mainly for the glass doors on my cabinets which I don't want to get fingerprints all over.

I actually have had more issues when I have used the gloves to handle the models, because the gloves are more liable to get caught on antennas and cause you to fumble the model. I prefer to have all the dexterity of my hands when I am handling them. YMMV...

...yeah and there's also a greater chance of accidentally dropping them. I've used cotton gloves sometimes as well but have absolutely no grip at all when handling them. Don't bother with doing that anymore, I think it's pointless myself.
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I suspect that the printing quality could also be an issue on the model perhaps, because I've never experienced tampo printed details rubbing off on any of my models just by simply handling them. Enamel paint should withstand that; maybe they're using some kind of cheaper paint to print these details with. I have some old diecast toy cars which even have pad printed details on them - handled those all the time back in the day with my grubby little hands, they have chipped paint etc. but the printed details are all still there - just as they were then!
Im not sure either. I mean its JC Wings so I don't know of the quality. Would water or anything like that affect it?
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Use canned or compressed air. Dust can be the only thing on the model. Hold in palm and use the air.
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Im not sure either. I mean its JC Wings so I don't know of the quality. Would water or anything like that affect it?
I wouldn't have thought so. Enamel paint should withstand any water contact. It's oil-based paint; very tough. Solvents i.e thinners/white spirit/acetone etc. are the things that can do damage to this type of paint.
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Im not sure either. I mean its JC Wings so I don't know of the quality. Would water or anything like that affect it?
I wouldn't have thought so. Enamel paint should withstand any water contact. It's oil-based paint; very tough. Solvents i.e thinners/white spirit/acetone etc. are the things that can do damaged to this type of
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Oh that makes sense. Either way, I will be much more careful now. With Gloves and all
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