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Old 04-14-2019, 04:20 PM   #1
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I've seen that there have been quite a few threads started that ask the community what they like/do/want in terms of models, and id like to ask you all what would be the top 5 moulds you'd like to be produced? Could range from improved moulds to entirely new or anything else you'd like.



My top 5 would be (in no specific order);
1. 767-300
2. A330-900neo
3. ATR 72
4. A340-600
5. ERJ-195/190


Whats yours?
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In no particular order:

1. New Tu-154 moulds for the M and earlier variants, without seams.
2. DC-9-10.
3. New B747-100/200 mould.
4. Tu-134
5. New B707-320/420 (JT3 turbojet/RR Conway) mould.
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3. ATR 72
5. ERJ-195/190
Do you not feel like the Gemini/JC moulds for these are acceptable? They seem pretty serviceable to me.

Mine would be:

1. Tu134
2. SSJ-100
3. DC-9-10
4. Yak-42
5. 737-300/400/500
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My top 5 would be (in no specific order);
1. 767-300
2. A330-900neo
3. ATR 72
4. A340-600
5. ERJ-195/190


Whats yours?
With all due respect all of these have great moulds already aside from the A330neo which is about to get new moulds anyway. What is the point in asking for moulds that are already great?

The rate of new mould production recently has been very high. It is perhaps time for the manufacturers to actually use the moulds they have and for us the collectors to calm down a bit.

Having said that any list without a DC-9-10 or MD80 on it I struggle to take seriously.
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My top moulds would be
MD-80 series
737-300/400
727-100/200 ‘a definitive mould”
DC-9-10 doubt we’ll ever see a top notch model of this plane, but you never know.
And that’s it for me, so only 4 of the 5 ...
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I'd be after some that have not actually been made yet. For variety.


1. Tupolev 114 Rossiya (obviously)
2. Tupolev 134 rubin/groza
3. Yakovlev 40
4. Antonov 12
5. Antonov 24


I don't believe a DASH-8-300 has been done yet either, it is the only one missing as the 100/200 & Q400 have been done by the GJ/JC stable. Sorry no MD/DC here, I'd need to get to 7 or 8 for them.
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Very interesting question. My TOP5 (now that the Tristars are in the pipeline):

1. Boeing 747-100/200/300 (by NG Models)
2. Boeing 747SP (by NG Models)
3. MD-80 (by NG Models or Aeroclassics)
4. Fokker 28 (long version) (by Aeroclassics)
5. McDonnell Douglas DC-8-70 (by Aeroclassics)

A new Boeing 767-300 would also be fine because NG Models and Aeroclassics are the only manufacturers that actually care for our wishes. And I want a 767-300 in LTU süd colours really badly. In addition more turbo props like the Embraer 120 would be nice.
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1. MD-80
2. 727-200
3. Tu-134
4. 747-100/200
5. 747SP
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1. 747-400
2. 747-100/200/300
3. 747SP
4. 747-8
5. 737-100/200

I’ve seen all the 747 moulds. Some are great some are not. NG/Panda/any manufacturer I forgot, please we need a new 747 1:400 mould in general.

Gemini - quality seems to be going down lately

Phoenix - too crap

JC/BB3 - too slow

Av400/Witty/Apollo - missing in action

Dragon Wings - ceased production

I missed a couple but they all used the moulds of manufacturers listed above. I’d certainly have to declare myself bankrupt if a 747-400 1:400 from NG got released. Their L1011 mould shows just how perfect they can ace a nose so I have high expectations for their 747 nose if they ever make a mould for it
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Old 04-15-2019, 04:38 AM   #10
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Tu134
Antonov 12
Tu114
Boeing 707-320/420
Ilyushin IL14

I know the last one is not a goer but I just love the dinky-looking thing.
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Here's the ones, that would be the most deserving IMO in approx. order of priority:

1. TU-134
2. B737-300/400/500
3. MD-80 series (including the shorter -87 variant)
4. AN-12
5. F-28 Mk.4000

Narrowly missing out on my list was the Yak-42, but i'd be glad to see that too with so many colourschemes and operators seen in Western Europe since the early 1990's further to the break up of the USSR.
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With all due respect all of these have great moulds already aside from the A330neo which is about to get new moulds anyway. What is the point in asking for moulds that are already great?

The rate of new mould production recently has been very high. It is perhaps time for the manufacturers to actually use the moulds they have and for us the collectors to calm down a bit.

Having said that any list without a DC-9-10 or MD80 on it I struggle to take seriously.

Well, the main reason I haven't got those aircraft on the list is that I simply don't want/don't care about older airliners, it's not in my collecting criteria, but I understand that others want it and I respect that. I know that they have already been produced but id like a better mould to them, its very much my own opinion, and im not asking for them, just wanting to see what others would like.
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Do you not feel like the Gemini/JC moulds for these are acceptable? They seem pretty serviceable to me.

Mine would be:

1. Tu134
2. SSJ-100
3. DC-9-10
4. Yak-42
5. 737-300/400/500

I don't think they're too bad but they're not great, and I would like a better mould that could be used more often, such as wing moulds on ATR could be changed?
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My top 5 moulds would be:

(1) Boeing 737-300 (new mould)
(2) Boeing 737-700 (new mould)
(3) McDonnell Douglas MD-11 (improved mould)
(4) Boeing 747-400 (improved mould)
(5) Airbus A340-200/300 (completely new mould)
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1. Hands down, no question, Boeing 747-100/200, 300, SP, and 400. Preferably by NG models. AC doesn't seem interested in getting the BB moulds back from their imprisonment by JC, so those moulds should be considered lost.

2. Hands down, no question second, MD-80 series.

After that, everything else is much less important. But I would suggest:

3. DC-9-10

4. 727-100

5. 737-300

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Tu-134
an-12
an-24/26
an-22
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Tu-134
an-12
an-24/26
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yak-42
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My choices would be:

1. B727-100/200 (I wish AC would fix that ghastly looking tail pipe on the #2 engine)
2. B737-100/200
3. DC9-10
4. C141 Starlifter
5. B747-100/200
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727-100
DHC-7
DHC-8
Fairchild Metro
EMB-110

I realize some of these would be incredibly small, but I'd still buy them!!!
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yeah, DC-9-10 too, forgot about that one!
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With all due respect all of these have great moulds already aside from the A330neo which is about to get new moulds anyway. What is the point in asking for moulds that are already great?

The rate of new mould production recently has been very high. It is perhaps time for the manufacturers to actually use the moulds they have and for us the collectors to calm down a bit.

Having said that any list without a DC-9-10 or MD80 on it I struggle to take seriously.
Oh come on Richard, you of all people know how subpar some of the OP's mould suggestions are! Let's take a closer look..

1. 767-300: The only two manufacturers are GJ/JC and Phoenix. I haven't seen the PHX mould in a while, and quite frankly, it wasn't ever that good to start with. Oddly positioned engines coupled with lousy QC on landing gear made it hard to continue to buy them. Sure, the GJ/JC mould is the better of the two, but even that one is outdated. It is harder and harder to purchase cradle mounted wings when we are starting to see NG produce wings as thin as a needle. Not to mention that the engines are this cross between the PW and GE. GJ have never bothered to create both, and still have not gone the distance to update them. If there were at least correct engines, the cradle mounted wings wouldn't bother me as much.

4. A340-600: Again, we have the GJ and PHX mould.. Phoenix used to have it somewhat right, but again, I cannot tell you the last PHX model I purchased that didnt have something wrong. Cockpit printing has gone awry, which we all know is one of the main components of accuracy. Gemini again are using outdated moulds. It's the same story as the 767, with the thick cradle mounted wings and old engine design.

5. ERJ-195/190: This is without a doubt one of the worst moulds we currently have in the hobby, in both 400 scale and 200 scale. The wings are located too low. They should have been placed higher up the fuselage. With that major error, the engines hang too low to the ground, and make the model look clunky. For the 190/195, the main gear are not spaced properly apart, and are mounted too closely together. The 190/195 have wide-set gear, which JC/GJ did not notice in production. The second worst offense of the 190/195 is the incorrect horizontal stabilizers. The 170/1175 have smaller, stubbier horizontal stabilizers. The 190/195 have a different shape to theirs (think 737 old generation vs new generation horizontal stabilizers) GJ/JC did not notice this major detail as well, leading to a mould that is nothing but expensive scrap metal. I really wish they would retool this mould, as it is one of my favorite planes that did not get proper treatment during the development stage.



With that being said, my top 5 are ones that either don't yet exist, or do, but are in need of a better replacement.

1. MD80 Family: Again, where did Gemini go wrong in this one? *nose section*
2. TU-134
3. 747 Family
4. 727-100/200
5. MD-11

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EMB-110

I realize some of these would be incredibly small, but I'd still buy them!!!
I got a 3D printed 1:400 Bandit and it is indeed tiny. (Sidenote: anyone want to take on making a custom Royale Airlines one for me? ) So is the Brasilia.

I think the manufacturers have shied away from these somewhat because the perception is they can't charge as much for tiny aircraft vs a mainline/widebody one. The mould probably costs about the same to develop, and the extra metal for the bigger ones is probably negligible cost difference. So they focus on bigger ones with more margin.
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Oh come on Richard, you of all people know how subpar some of the OP's mould suggestions are! Let's take a closer look..

1. 767-300: The only two manufacturers are GJ/JC and Phoenix. I haven't seen the PHX mould in a while, and quite frankly, it wasn't ever that good to start with. Oddly positioned engines coupled with lousy QC on landing gear made it hard to continue to buy them. Sure, the GJ/JC mould is the better of the two, but even that one is outdated. It is harder and harder to purchase cradle mounted wings when we are starting to see NG produce wings as thin as a needle. Not to mention that the engines are this cross between the PW and GE. GJ have never bothered to create both, and still have not gone the distance to update them. If there were at least correct engines, the cradle mounted wings wouldn't bother me as much.

4. A340-600: Again, we have the GJ and PHX mould.. Phoenix used to have it somewhat right, but again, I cannot tell you the last PHX model I purchased that didnt have something wrong. Cockpit printing has gone awry, which we all know is one of the main components of accuracy. Gemini again are using outdated moulds. It's the same story as the 767, with the thick cradle mounted wings and old engine design.

5. ERJ-195/190: This is without a doubt one of the worst moulds we currently have in the hobby, in both 400 scale and 200 scale. The wings are located too low. They should have been placed higher up the fuselage. With that major error, the engines hang too low to the ground, and make the model look clunky. For the 190/195, the main gear are not spaced properly apart, and are mounted too closely together. The 190/195 have wide-set gear, which JC/GJ did not notice in production. The second worst offense of the 190/195 is the incorrect horizontal stabilizers. The 170/1175 have smaller, stubbier horizontal stabilizers. The 190/195 have a different shape to theirs (think 737 old generation vs new generation horizontal stabilizers) GJ/JC did not notice this major detail as well, leading to a mould that is nothing but expensive scrap metal. I really wish they would retool this mould, as it is one of my favorite planes that did not get proper treatment during the development stage.



With that being said, my top 5 are ones that either don't yet exist, or do, but are in need of a better replacement.

1. MD80 Family: Again, where did Gemini go wrong in this one? *nose section*
2. TU-134
3. 747 Family
4. 727-100/200
5. MD-11
I guess what I'm saying is few moulds are perfect but do the 767, A346 and E-190 (let alone 737-200 and A340-200/300) really warrant being that high on anyone's top 5. No they don't objectively. Plus there have been plenty of releases at least of the 767 and A346. I'm not a massive fan of Phoenix but really their A340-600s are some of their best models.

Of your list the top 3 are good candidates but really would you replace all your 727s with a new mould (didn't I just see you pick up 3 AC 727-200s)? I doubt it and I doubt I would either. The moulds are pretty decent albeit all have some issues I agree. The majority of airlines have already been made with nice models.

The MD-11 also has pretty decent representation and moulds - at least from JC/Gemini.

My issue really is this type of thread has limited value since people really don't quantify why they think their moulds are deserving. I mean an AN-12 really! By all means people can give their suggestions but if I were a manufacturer looking at this thread I'd really not give it much importance.
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My issue really is this type of thread has limited value since people really don't quantify why they think their moulds are deserving. I mean an AN-12 really! By all means people can give their suggestions but if I were a manufacturer looking at this thread I'd really not give it much importance.
What have you got against the AN-12 Richard?

Over 900 built, also licensed in China as the Y-8. Fairly wide-spreadly seen or used in Europe, Africa, India, and China.

I could understand if I'd suggested the An-8, where there were as few built as something like the Beluga. Its still present in operation today I think having flown the skies for around 60 years, & it is a mould that has never been produced, like many Russian aircraft.

I accept as time passes, such models become more and more unlikely, especially as there will be negligible demand from the US, and we will simply increasingly see an outpouring of what many see (rightly or wrongly) as dull, modern twin-jets. But that is not what the thread is asking, its asks what you personally want to see. It doesn't mean I am demanding it, I don't even expect it sadly for the reason highlighted above.

Just as I failed to initially explain why I wanted to see it produced, you failed to explain why you don't want it produced, you just rather ridiculed it. Just personal opinion? 4 people in this thread have stated they want it produced, and their opinion is just as valid as yours my friend.
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Mine are: ( FIRST AND FOREMOST) Boeing 747SP ( NG*/ JC)

Boeing 747-400 revised and improved mould (NG* or JC.) JC's Korean Airlines 748 was excellent. Hopefully they can do a 744 equally as good.

Boeing 767-300 ( so many more airlines to do,especially cargo variants). Phoenix also made tractor tyres which are so out of scale.

MD-11* ( Gemini's was quite good in my opinion,but like usual just came to a grinding halt). Many other airlines that could've been done, never got made.

Airbus A340-500/600* ( JC or AC). Phoenix absolutely killed this model with their s*** cockpits. SAA a perfect example of this.

* denotes special reference to the fact that if any manufacturer should look at these options, it should be NG. I've left the 763 out as I think JC nailed this mould and hopefully they can make more.
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If you go through the different posts the classic 747 and the 747SP are high on almost everybody's list and that's a very fair and justified request. I don't see your problem, Richard.
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If you go through the different posts the classic 747 and the 747SP are high on almost everybody's list and that's a very fair and justified request. I don't see your problem, Richard.
I've been banging on for a new 747SP to be done since dinosaurs roamed the planet!!
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I have done some counting and the TOP5 of all entries so far look quite realistic to me:

1: Boeing 747-100/200/300/400/SP: 14 (4 of those for the 747SP, 3 for the -400)
2. Tupolev TU-134: 8
3. McDonnell Douglas DC-9-10: 6
4. McDonnell Douglas MD-80: 6
5. Boeing 727-100/200: 6
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I've been banging on for a new 747SP to be done since dinosaurs roamed the planet!!
So do I. Long overdue.
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Thanks everyone for backing up my thread, I didn't create it to convince manufacturers to produce newer moulds, I simply wanted to see what other people wanted and how it stacked up to my own PERSONAL wish list. You can't really say my wishlist is wrong or incorrect because it is after all what I want. Both my wishlist and others deserve equal attention, even if you don't think some of them warrant a new mould.
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What have you got against the AN-12 Richard?
Personally I haven't got anything against an AN-12 and I'd buy one if it were available but you'd have to be mad to think it is really a viable mould in 1:400. There may have been lots made but they were mainly military and even then operated by the sort of second rate Air Forces that nobody is going to pay for in any numbers. In the civil arena outside of Aeroflot and CAAC (maybe LOT) they were operated by nobody of any consequence.

Why would that aircraft deserve to be in a top 5 moulds to be made list. It is:

a) a seriously niche type (and hardly a looker to boot)
b) mainly a freighter (and they don't sell as well as pax airliners)
c) operated by almost nobody of importance ever
d) a propliner - and as much as I love em they don't sell well

If we can't get an MD-80 or TU-134 made why in almighty's name do you think an AN-12 supersedes them? That is my point. This thread asked what people want to get made, which is the same as asking a manufacturer to make it. Asking for a manufacturer other than Herpa (who seem to like to waste $$) to make an AN-12 is financially crazy.

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Thanks everyone for backing up my thread, I didn't create it to convince manufacturers to produce newer moulds, I simply wanted to see what other people wanted and how it stacked up to my own PERSONAL wish list. You can't really say my wishlist is wrong or incorrect because it is after all what I want. Both my wishlist and others deserve equal attention, even if you don't think some of them warrant a new mould.
I haven't got a lot against wishlists and you can post what you like, but this thread is hardly unique or original (do a search). I can say your wishlist is wrong based on the fact it makes little actual sense. Just because you want it doesn't make it right. Likewise my views aren't right either just because I say they are but at the least I attempt to back my arguments up with some rationale. Everyone's wishlists simply don't deserve equal attention. Sorry this isn't Facebook, it's a discussion forum.

Ciderman's approach to counting wishes makes some sense and I never said a 747 didn't make sense (although it could be easily argued more jumbos are not the top priority, at least a decent argument can be made for them).
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Personally I haven't got anything against an AN-12 and I'd buy one if it were available but you'd have to be mad to think it is really a viable mould in 1:400. There may have been lots made but they were mainly military and even then operated by the sort of second rate Air Forces that nobody is going to pay for in any numbers. In the civil arena outside of Aeroflot and CAAC (maybe LOT) they were operated by nobody of any consequence.

Why would that aircraft deserve to be in a top 5 moulds to be made list. It is:

a) a seriously niche type (and hardly a looker to boot)
b) mainly a freighter (and they don't sell as well as pax airliners)
c) operated by almost nobody of importance ever
d) a propliner - and as much as I love em they don't sell well

If we can't get an MD-80 or TU-134 made why in almighty's name do you think an AN-12 supersedes them? That is my point. This thread asked what people want to get made, which is the same as asking a manufacturer to make it. Asking for a manufacturer other than Herpa (who seem to like to waste $$) to make an AN-12 is financially crazy.



I haven't got a lot against wishlists and you can post what you like, but this thread is hardly unique or original (do a search). I can say your wishlist is wrong based on the fact it makes little actual sense. Just because you want it doesn't make it right. Likewise my views aren't right either just because I say they are but at the least I attempt to back my arguments up with some rationale. Everyone's wishlists simply don't deserve equal attention. Sorry this isn't Facebook, it's a discussion forum.

Ciderman's approach to counting wishes makes some sense and I never said a 747 didn't make sense (although it could be easily argued more jumbos are not the top priority, at least a decent argument can be made for them).

You're probably right, an AN12 won't get produced, as I also acknowledged, but again the thread question quite clearly was what moulds would you like to see produced.

But by that assessment, nor would a Beluga (I know we use this example frequently) - there is only one operator that I am aware of, and I'm sure it only gets seen on certain set routes / countries.

So that gives hope for an airliner like the AN12 that was operated by Aeroflot, CAAC, Balkan, LOT, Iraqi Airways, Sri Lankan Airlines, Air Guinee, Volare, Uzbekistan and a host of other 2nd generation Russian airlines.

I'm not suggesting producers must do it, I am stating what I would like to see produced. I'm sure producers know what will and won't sell. Or do they?
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I haven't got a lot against wishlists and you can post what you like, but this thread is hardly unique or original (do a search). I can say your wishlist is wrong based on the fact it makes little actual sense. Just because you want it doesn't make it right. Likewise my views aren't right either just because I say they are but at the least I attempt to back my arguments up with some rationale. Everyone's wishlists simply don't deserve equal attention. Sorry this isn't Facebook, it's a discussion forum.

Ciderman's approach to counting wishes makes some sense and I never said a 747 didn't make sense (although it could be easily argued more jumbos are not the top priority, at least a decent argument can be made for them).

If you'd like me to back up my list then sure.


767-300 - like others have said, only GJ/JC and PHX have moulds, and they certainly aren't great. Id prefer a mould that's superior to the two already in use and used on a regular basis to satisfy the collectors.
A330-900neo - I know JC and PHX have announced these but I have a hunch the JC won't see fruition for a while and PHX being the king of average they won't be great. However, if they are good then id replace this with a 737-300
ATR-72 - a bit like the 767-300, Id like a good mould to be used on a regular basis and produce European/Asian airlines.
A340-600 - me being me, liking big modern airliners. Love to get my hands on an Etihad and Virgin examples.
ERJ-195 - Pretty much everywhere on the world, but the only ones to seem to be produced are NA examples, so many other airlines that can be produced like Flybe, HOP!, BA Cityflyer, Finnair, Lufthansa Cityline, KLM etc etc.


I didn't expect this to become such an issue. Is one not allowed to have a view without it being critiqued and told that it's wrong.
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I understand where Richard is coming from.

I would add that if you're going to start a thread, as you would in any case where substantial research was done, cite some examples that can be used as a topic of debate. I don't particularly mind threads like these too often. More so lately simply because we're now going on roughly 20 years of this being a widely followed hobby. Therefore, there are more moulds, and versions of moulds than ever before. So, on that note, old examples of threads like these are potentially out of date and obsolete because they only are considerate of what's available at the time. How many new 1/400 moulds have we seen in the last 6-12 months, by my count, on a rough count at least 10-15 moulds, mould variations, and mould improvements with apparently more to come.

I frankly would have to put quite some thought into a meaningful list. There are certain components like, top 5 that exist that could be improved. Top 5 that don't exist. Top 5 that a particular manufacture I'd want to see make etc. At this point, while quality is improving, I personally care more about what's being made, be made well rather than asking for more on top of the boom in 1/400 moulds we've already gotten. A good quandary, but the thread could certainly use a little more scope.
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I mean an AN-12 really!
The AN-12 mould already exists in other scales so it's not beyond the realms of possibility to be considered for 1:400; there seems to be interest....here at least. Aeroclassics produced a 1:400 IL-18 mould, which would seem to be niche too, and it has been made at multiple scales by various manufacturers.... so i wouldn't say an An-12 is an outrageous wish.


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I haven't got a lot against wishlists and you can post what you like, but this thread is hardly unique or original (do a search). I can say your wishlist is wrong based on the fact it makes little actual sense. Just because you want it doesn't make it right. Likewise my views aren't right either just because I say they are but at the least I attempt to back my arguments up with some rationale. Everyone's wishlists simply don't deserve equal attention. Sorry this isn't Facebook, it's a discussion forum.

Ciderman's approach to counting wishes makes some sense and I never said a 747 didn't make sense (although it could be easily argued more jumbos are not the top priority, at least a decent argument can be made for them).
I still don't understand how a wishlist could possibly be 'wrong' and why some wishlists would not deserve our attention. Of course some include rather unlikely subjects for they are what they are: personal wishlists.

At the end of day you see that it's not the obscure moulds, which are most wanted but those which are long overdue (such as a new classic 747, the MD-80 or the short DC-9).

Let's keep the discussion open-minded and enjoy the great input from the collectorate.

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I still don't understand how a wishlist could possibly be 'wrong' and why some wishlists would not deserve our attention. Of course some include rather unlikely subjects for they are what they are: personal wishlists.

At the end of day you see that it's not the obscure moulds, which are most wanted but those which are long overdue (such as a new classic 747, the MD-80 or the short DC-9).

Let's keep the discussion open-minded and enjoy the great input from the collectorate.

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All for that Martin, but if it is a case of let's hear everyone's opinion and not comment on it then this is Facebook and not a discussion forum. It is naive to think that people putting down there top 5s aren't lobbying for them (mainly from a certain manufacturer who frequents the forum and people think will solve all the world's problems it seems). That's fine but if you are going to ante up you should be able to discuss why. After all it IS a competition to get new moulds made and there are winners and losers.

The NG Beluga XL is a nice model but is a great example of a mould that really shouldn't get made. Now we have two of the things and still no TU-134, MD-80 or new 747 etc.

There have been people lobbying for other one-off moulds to NG and it is frankly a bit annoying.

As for the 767-300 there have not been only 2 moulds made for it - there have been 7! See https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/boeing-767-300.html

Most are perfectly decent, albeit not NG 757 quality I admit - but what is? If that is your argument then you could use it to get every single aircraft type made again. In addition:

a) Most worthwhile 767-300s have been made (often multiple times)
b) They aren't hard to find on the seconds market
c) There are few new operators except for cargo operators (which again don't sell well)

NG have already wasted resource making a new (very nice) but ultimately of little real need A330-200/300.

By all means if you want a VS A340-600 lobby to get one made but don't lobby to get a whole new mould made just for one release - that's silly. Again there are plenty of under-used moulds out there. It doesn't necessarily mean a new mould is required - they are separate issues.
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All for that Martin, but if it is a case of let's hear everyone's opinion and not comment on it then this is Facebook and not a discussion forum. It is naive to think that people putting down there top 5s aren't lobbying for them (mainly from a certain manufacturer who frequents the forum and people think will solve all the world's problems it seems). That's fine but if you are going to ante up you should be able to discuss why. After all it IS a competition to get new moulds made and there are winners and losers.

The NG Beluga XL is a nice model but is a great example of a mould that really shouldn't get made. Now we have two of the things and still no TU-134, MD-80 or new 747 etc.

There have been people lobbying for other one-off moulds to NG and it is frankly a bit annoying.

As for the 767-300 there have not been only 2 moulds made for it - there have been 7! See https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/boeing-767-300.html

Most are perfectly decent, albeit not NG 757 quality I admit - but what is? If that is your argument then you could use it to get every single aircraft type made again. In addition:

a) Most worthwhile 767-300s have been made (often multiple times)
b) They aren't hard to find on the seconds market
c) There are few new operators except for cargo operators (which again don't sell well)

NG have already wasted resource making a new (very nice) but ultimately of little real need A330-200/300.

By all means if you want a VS A340-600 lobby to get one made but don't lobby to get a whole new mould made just for one release - that's silly. Again there are plenty of under-used moulds out there. It doesn't necessarily mean a new mould is required - they are separate issues.
Sorry Richard I don't mean to call you out, but you don't want moulds that have already been done repeatedly (I happen to agree with you), and you don't want some moulds that have never been done?

That doesn't really leave much (:-
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Sorry Richard I don't mean to call you out, but you don't want moulds that have already been done repeatedly (I happen to agree with you), and you don't want some moulds that have never been done?

That doesn't really leave much (:-
There's a middle ground there mate and it doesn't feature a 767-300 or an AN-12 I'm afraid. As nice as both of them would be in a world with endless resources.

I actually covered this topic back in July 2017: https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/m...1400-scale-pt1

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My top 22 with some reasons why were:

22. Vickers VC.1 Viking
21. Tupolev TU-114
20. Airspeed Ambassador
19. Antonov 24
18. Yakovlev Yak-42
17. Avro York
16. Tupolev TU-204
15. Boeing 737-600
14. Shorts 330
13. Tupolev TU-104
12. Sukhoi Superjet 100
11. Lockheed L-1049 Super Constellation (no radar)
10. Lockheed Tristar 500
09. Embraer EMB-120 Brasilia
08. McDonnell Douglas MD-87
07. Boeing 707-320/420
06. de Havilland Canada DHC-7
05. Martin 4-0-4
04. Boeing 720 (turbojet)
03. Tupolev TU-134
02. Boeing 707-120/220
01. Douglas DC-9-10

In the intervening period we have got a TU-104, 737-600 and L-1011-500. So maybe an AN-12 would now get into the top 22?

Note that 747s don't feature as they are in the 'Most underused existing moulds' series I did. In hindsight I think a standard MD-80 should be high on the top 22 needed moulds lists - back then I was holding out for Gemini to improve and use their mould. Same could now be said for the CV-580 sadly
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Richard, I have been listening to the same arguments from fellow collectors since the days of Schabak about what mould should be done and which shouldn't. And some arguments have their merits.

But ultimately it isn't our call. Everyone of us can suggest their ideas and it's up to the manufacturers to decide which mould they are going to make.

That being said I'm fully with you that a new A330 wasn't needed. However, I'm not so sure if it turns out to be a waste of resources on NG's part. Maybe you can squeeze much more money out of the seventh (or so) A330 mould than for example out of a Martin 4-0-4 from your list.

It's basically not our problem and I have always liked the idea that a mixture of old and new planes fits the collectorate best (although I would probably never buy something as modern as an A330 neo).

I can also understand why a lot of people here see the need for new moulds of planes already decently done. Take the 767-300 for example. There are great moulds around but there are only two companies replicating liveries from the past on a regular basis: NG Models and Aeroclassics. And none of these two has access to a 767-300 mould (anymore). The same is true for the 747. The Apollo mould is excellent but obviously hidden in the storage rooms of a remote Chinese factory that was closed years ago.

And last but not least: We joined the hobby early on and could get our hands on many of the now sought after releases from Big Bird and Aeroclassics. Others couldn't. So while we may be focussing on the remaing gaps in the 1/400 portfolio the latecomers might appreciate a Pan Am 747 on an excellent mould with an acceptable price tag.
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Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder and wishlists are a matter of taste. So from your TOP22 there are some requests I would fully back (e.g. MD-87) but there are others which I find as obscure as an AN-12 (e.g. Avro York).

Let's make this hobby work for everyone and in that respect you're doing a great job with your newsletter and your website. Thumbs up!

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These threads always get hilariously contentious. I've been one to rock the boat quite a bit previously, in these threads. So, I'll do my best to refrain from doing so again, this time around.


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1. Boeing 747-100/200/300 (by NG Models)
2. Boeing 747SP (by NG Models)
3. MD-80 (by NG Models or Aeroclassics)
4. Fokker 28 (long version) (by Aeroclassics)
5. McDonnell Douglas DC-8-70 (by Aeroclassics)
A list after my own heart!! I even echo the sentiment about "now that TriStars are in the pipeline".

*Nearly* perfect. I'd make only one change:

1. 747-100/200
2. 747SP
3. MD80
4. DC9-10
5. DC-8-70

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2. 727-200
3. Tu-134
4. 747-100/200
5. 747SP
Another fine list. I actually rather like the GJ 727-200 mould, but it was nearly extinct - at least until GJ decided to release the rather bizarre Mexican Federal Police. Still tons of prominent liveries to be done, even in the large quantities that GJ makes.

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2. 747-100/200/300
3. 747SP
4. 747-8
5. 737-100/200
I share your enthusiasm for the 747, but I'm not sure I completely agree the 747-400 should be at the top of the list. While it's my own personal favorite of the entire line, I'd probably put it slightly lower:

1. 747-100/200
2. 747SP
3. 747-400

But, I'd still love a 'definitive mould' of any 747, especially one seeing releases not just of contemporary liveries. So, if a 747-400 showed up first, I wouldn't complain one bit.


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I can say your wishlist is wrong based on the fact it makes little actual sense. Just because you want it doesn't make it right. Likewise my views aren't right either just because I say they are but at the least I attempt to back my arguments up with some rationale. Everyone's wishlists simply don't deserve equal attention. Sorry this isn't Facebook, it's a discussion forum.
I agree with this point, entirely.

I'm pointing fingers at no one, so this is not at all a personal affront to anyone. But, Rich has a strong point. You can have whatever view you want on what mould(s) should be made, but you should also be able to back it up. If your only rationale is "because it's my wish-list, why can't it be equal to yours??", that's not a particularly compelling argument. Appeals to logic, will almost always prevail over appeals to emotion:

"Because it has a proven sales record, has prominent livery options for all geographic regions, and has sustainable release options for at least 3 years", or...

"Because I want it, and my opinion is just as valid!"

The second argument will always fall short.


However. While I personally still contend the Tu-134 doesn't remotely offer the revenue potential of other alternatives, I'm always baffled by the shear number of people on the forum that request it. I could well be proven wrong, about its popularity and sales potential. I have no doubt your prominent liveries would sell well.... Aeroflot, Interflug, etc. I think the main issue there, is quickly running out of the proverbial low-hanging-fruit.
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Richard, I have been listening to the same arguments from fellow collectors since the days of Schabak about what mould should be done and which shouldn't. And some arguments have their merits.

But ultimately it isn't our call. Everyone of us can suggest their ideas and it's up to the manufacturers to decide which mould they are going to make.

That being said I'm fully with you that a new A330 wasn't needed. However, I'm not so sure if it turns out to be a waste of resources on NG's part. Maybe you can squeeze much more money out of the seventh (or so) A330 mould than for example out of a Martin 4-0-4 from your list.

It's basically not our problem and I have always liked the idea that a mixture of old and new planes fits the collectorate best (although I would probably never buy something as modern as an A330 neo).

I can also understand why a lot of people here see the need for new moulds of planes already decently done. Take the 767-300 for example. There are great moulds around but there are only two companies replicating liveries from the past on a regular basis: NG Models and Aeroclassics. And none of these two has access to a 767-300 mould (anymore). The same is true for the 747. The Apollo mould is excellent but obviously hidden in the storage rooms of a remote Chinese factory that was closed years ago.

And last but not least: We joined the hobby early on and could get our hands on many of the now sought after releases from Big Bird and Aeroclassics. Others couldn't. So while we may be focussing on the remaing gaps in the 1/400 portfolio the latecomers might appreciate a Pan Am 747 on an excellent mould with an acceptable price tag.
Ah Schabaks. I still have over 1700 of them. You are right of course and I am sure NG will make plenty of $$ off their A330.

I also joined late (2010ish) but aside from the BigBird 747s picking up most models hasn't proven too difficult.

I'm not against a 767-300, or indeed any of the suggestions on their own, but I can't see how they can be in a top 5.

I apologise for sounding grumpy but I stand by my points.
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Old 04-18-2019, 12:55 AM   #46
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There's a middle ground there mate and it doesn't feature a 767-300 or an AN-12 I'm afraid. As nice as both of them would be in a world with endless resources.

I actually covered this topic back in July 2017: https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/m...1400-scale-pt1

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https://www.yesterdaysairlines.com/m...1400-scale-pt2

My top 22 with some reasons why were:

22. Vickers VC.1 Viking
21. Tupolev TU-114
20. Airspeed Ambassador
19. Antonov 24
18. Yakovlev Yak-42
17. Avro York
16. Tupolev TU-204
15. Boeing 737-600
14. Shorts 330
13. Tupolev TU-104
12. Sukhoi Superjet 100
11. Lockheed L-1049 Super Constellation (no radar)
10. Lockheed Tristar 500
09. Embraer EMB-120 Brasilia
08. McDonnell Douglas MD-87
07. Boeing 707-320/420
06. de Havilland Canada DHC-7
05. Martin 4-0-4
04. Boeing 720 (turbojet)
03. Tupolev TU-134
02. Boeing 707-120/220
01. Douglas DC-9-10

In the intervening period we have got a TU-104, 737-600 and L-1011-500. So maybe an AN-12 would now get into the top 22?

Note that 747s don't feature as they are in the 'Most underused existing moulds' series I did. In hindsight I think a standard MD-80 should be high on the top 22 needed moulds lists - back then I was holding out for Gemini to improve and use their mould. Same could now be said for the CV-580 sadly
I love that list but would argue still, that it is crazy that you perceive an AN12 as far less obscure and bizarre than some on that list. At least 8 in fact. Though I would snap up everyone of them. But if you think that an AN12 has no chance of being produced, that would sadly but definitely apply for several on that list.

Oh well, its all opinions and I do value yours despite disagreeing strongly.
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Ah Schabaks. I still have over 1700 of them. You are right of course and I am sure NG will make plenty of $$ off their A330.

I also joined late (2010ish) but aside from the BigBird 747s picking up most models hasn't proven too difficult.

I'm not against a 767-300, or indeed any of the suggestions on their own, but I can't see how they can be in a top 5.

I apologise for sounding grumpy but I stand by my points.
I still have my 600 something Schabaks stored in their boxes along with my custom LinoJets. Those were the days.

I started collecting Schabaks in the late 1980s and made the switch to 1/400 in the late 1990s. So I got most of the sought after Big Bird and Aeroclassics models I wanted then (and could afford) but today I regret having missed out on some of them (like the Varig 747-300, the TWA jumbo jets or the Adria Airways DC-9).

The 767-300 didn't make it into my TOP5 either. However, if any manufacturer came up with one in LTU süd colours I would replace my custom in a heartbreak.
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Nice topic.
While I can see the need for improving some moulds that have plenty of examples available, I lean towards things that have not been done or done in large numbers.

1) DH Dash 7 (Rio, Air Wisconsin, etc...)
2) MD-80
3) 727-100 (Because I still need that Air Atlanta, Air1, and Frontier Horizon!)
4) DC-9-10
5) Shorts 330 (Oh for Mississippi Valley Airlines and Simmons!)
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