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Old 03-01-2019, 10:39 PM   #1
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Well after Richard's scathing (but spot on) review of the GJ PanAm L-1011-500 I was dreading receiving my BA L-1011-1 to be honest. I'm definitely wanting to replace the old BlueBox models and I probably should have just waited for the NG/potential AC examples, but curiosity got the better of me, I guess.

I think that Gemini have done OK with this one, however. It seems like they've updated the gear since the recent Cathay examples released by JC - and the United -500 - at least this is the first time I can remember seeing the correct forward angle on the main gear doors.





The wings and fairings of course are actually correct for the longer -1 model. The titles are nicely printed and the blue belly line seems to be in the correct place all around.

But, the wings still have the same problem that Richard noted on the -500 - they are bent down when they should have much more dihedral.



Let's compare to the old BlueBox, shall we...

The strange thing is that the new GJ initially looks to be at a much better height than the JC Cathay or GJ's United -500 was, so again, I originally thought the gear was different. (BB on left, GJ on right)



However, there is a pronounced difference at the other end:



GJ's printing and colors are superior to the BB, the main gear looks better, but I think once again it is overall too short.

The cockpit printing is thankfully better than the horrific PanAm example - I'm not sure that it totally captures the L-1011 look but it's also better than the BB as seen here. The engine fans are more realistic as well.



Overall I think it's a better effort than any of the other recent GJ L-1011 releases. I will still be reserving most of my money for other manufacturers as soon as their L-1011's hit the market, but this one isn't immediately going on Ebay like my United and Cathay ones did (thankfully I didn't even purchase the PanAm).
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Good stuff. The Tristar 1 is a lot better than the Tristar 500 and they've done a decent job on the printing. Still not a fan of the new gear though.
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Thanks for the comparison pics, denny. That doesn't actually look that bad at all! The printing is excellent, pretty much spot-on. Colours are good too. "British" titles look great. It might be sitting a tad low but, at the same time, all the BBX TriStars sat way too high. The original AV400 Saudia release would make a good comparison with the older style gear, which I wish they had kept. I think that one sat about right. Still looking forward to the NGs of course but this will be an add to my collection, I fleet-build all the BA Red Tails so this will come in handy.
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The Tristar 1 is a lot better than the Tristar 500 and they've done a decent job on the printing.

Gemini continues to 'amble in the right direction' with this release, getting better, but still not up to par with new quality standards established by NGModels, Panda et al. I'm in a holding pattern, waiting on still better releases... Doug

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Nice reviews guys...I'm thinking I'm going to take the bait on this one also
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The original AV400 Saudia release would make a good comparison with the older style gear, which I wish they had kept. I think that one sat about right.
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I'm gonna say these 2 are quite on par with each other (and recant my earlier statement about the angle of the main gear doors - the AV400 gets that right as well). GJ's cockpit printing looks better than the AV. They both have the weird split pylon which is somewhat prototypical but doesn't look great at this scale. I wish I'd done a comparison with the JC Cathay and the Saudia before getting rid of the Cathay, to see what the height difference was there, but in this comparison I'd say if the Saudia is about right, then so is the BA. (I'm not sure, in looking at 1:1 pics I still think the real thing sits a little higher - the BB just appears to have 'highwaters' on because the gear doors are too short).
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With all the reviews of the Pan Am leaning toward the negative, it sure sold out quickly!
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With all the reviews of the Pan Am leaning toward the negative, it sure sold out quickly!
By what measure? It's still available at 3 different retailers that I just checked, and all over Ebay, to the point I had to cancel my saved search for the original 1999 one because it was so polluted by listings for the new one.
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At distributor level Denny!
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taking into consideration the quality level NG produce and quite it big chance they would produce tristar soon, it is still worth to wait! ebay will be flooded with GJ tristar I bet.
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I'm gonna say these 2 are quite on par with each other (and recant my earlier statement about the angle of the main gear doors - the AV400 gets that right as well). GJ's cockpit printing looks better than the AV. They both have the weird split pylon which is somewhat prototypical but doesn't look great at this scale. I wish I'd done a comparison with the JC Cathay and the Saudia before getting rid of the Cathay, to see what the height difference was there, but in this comparison I'd say if the Saudia is about right, then so is the BA. (I'm not sure, in looking at 1:1 pics I still think the real thing sits a little higher - the BB just appears to have 'highwaters' on because the gear doors are too short).

That's awesome Denny - thanks a lot for supplying the additional comparison photos Much appreciated...Well, there we go. They match up very closely, and are pretty much uniform in height. The JC Cathay definitely sits way too low, lower than the AV400. So, it's good they've fixed that up at least. The BA definitely looks much better with the revised gears and measures up very well here, I agree that the cockpit printing is improved too. You could be right about the 1:1 height; I know what you mean, but I would say even if the height is not a 100% match to the real deal, that these are still way better than the BBX effort; those just never sat quite right for me amongst the rest of my collection, thus never became a part of it proper.



It's still down to NG (and AC possibly) to finally nail this subject once and for all in 1:400.
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At distributor level Denny!

Indeed, GJ have already made their money on that one.
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taking into consideration the quality level NG produce and quite it big chance they would produce tristar soon, it is still worth to wait! ebay will be flooded with GJ tristar I bet.

NG are sure to produce a quality TriStar mould, and there is every chance Aeroclassics might offer something too; either way, I hope it will be the definitive answer in 1:400.
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Thank you for the review, Denny, and the comparison photos. The cockpit windows and window line are definitely better than the Pan Am. But I'll still wait for NG and AC.

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Might be useful to know what model tristar NG might be going to do. This GJ is a tristar 1 so will have to be integrated into the BB BA tristar 200s in spite of the similar dimensions of the 1:1 version.
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Thanks for your review Denny. I have one of these on order with ARD and you have saved me having to go and physically inspect it, as there were doubts about making a purchase.
I will definately acquire this and hopefully NG and/or Aeroclassics will do these with 'Briish Airways' and 'British Airtours' titles in Negus and Landor schemes.
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Thanks for your review Denny. I have one of these on order with ARD and you have saved me having to go and physically inspect it, as there were doubts about making a purchase.
I will definately acquire this and hopefully NG and/or Aeroclassics will do these with 'Briish Airways' and 'British Airtours' titles in Negus and Landor schemes.

And hopefully a Caledonian L1011-385-1 and British Airtours -200 and -500, I have the model Adrian, well worth the investment!


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Might be useful to know what model tristar NG might be going to do. This GJ is a tristar 1 so will have to be integrated into the BB BA tristar 200s in spite of the similar dimensions of the 1:1 version.
They will have all three major variants; -1, -100/200, and -500
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A list of some of the BA Negus Red Tail "British Airways" - "British" variants that could be done/redone for the TriStar in 1:400:



1. L-1011-1 - "British Airways" titles, "TriStar" on #2 engine intake (original 1974 c/s - minus names) - registrations between G-BBAE - G-BBAJ & G-BEAK - G-BEAM

(1 done by Blue Box - needs to be redone)


2. L-1011-1 - "British" titles, "TriStar" on #2 engine intake (1980-81 revised titles c/s - with names) - registrations as above

(1 now done by GJ, future NG/AC version welcome too)


3. L-1011-2 - "British Airways" titles, "TriStar200" on #2 engine intake (original 1974 c/s - minus names) - registrations G-BGBB & G-BGBC only*

(none have been done)

* The next one, G-BHBL, which was delivered on 29.09.1980, had revised "British" titles & was named "The Red Ensign Rose" from the outset


4. L-1011-2 - "British" titles, "TriStar200" on #2 engine intake (1980-81 revised titles c/s - with names) - registrations G-BGBB - G-BGBC & G-BHBL - BHBO

(1 done by Blue Box - needs to be redone)


5. L-1011-2 - "British" titles, "TriStar" on #2 engine intake (1980-81 revised titles c/s - with names) - registrations G-BHBP & G-BHBR only*

(none have been done)

* These two were unique, in that they were only -200 series TriStars minus the red "200" on #2 intake


6. L-1011-500 - "British Airways" titles, "TriStar500" on #2 engine intake (original 1974 c/s - with names) - registrations G-BFCA & G-BFCF only*

(none have been done)

*As far as I know, these two Dash 500s were unique, in that they were delivered with the original "British Airways" titles and carried names from the outset


7. L-1011-500 - "British Airways" titles, "TriStar500" on #2 engine intake (original 1974 c/s - minus names) - registrations G-BFCB - G-BFCE only*

(none have been done)


* The first 4 Dash 500s, G-BFCB, G-BFCC, G-BFCD & G-BFCE, delivered to BA between April - July 1979, were not named initially with full BA titles


8. L-1011-500 - "British" titles, "TriStar500" on #2 engine intake (1980-81 revised title c/s - with names) - registrations G-BFCA - G-BFCF

(none have been done)






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...continued:


"British Airtours"

9. L-1011-1 - "British Airtours" titles, "TriStar" on #2 engine intake (Negus c/s - with names) - registrations G-BBAE, G-BBAI, G-BBAJ, G-BEAL, G-BEAM only*

(1 done by Blue Box - needs to be redone)

* G-BEAK was leased to British Airtours for a brief period in 1987 only, in Landor c/s


10. L-1011-2 - "British Airtours" titles, "TriStar" on #2 engine intake (Negus c/s - with names) - registrations G-BHBP & G-BHBR

(none have been done)

This variant would also be interesting:

11. L-1011-2 - "British" titles with "British Airtours" tail, "TriStar" on #2 engine intake (1980-81 revised titles c/s - British Airtours hybrid, with name) - registration G-BBAJ

Ref: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/43480964015


12. L-1011-500 - "British Airtours" titles, "TriStar500" on #2 engine intake (Negus c/s - with name) - registration G-BFCB

(none have been done)

...phew! I think that's it. Seriously speaking, I don't expect to see all these versions produced, but it gives an idea as to how much variety existed within the aircraft/livery type.

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MAy I also add my thanks for your review Denny, very much appreciated and especially the further comparison to the Saudia. I really wish I had purchased that one, I still hunt it every now and again....
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