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Old 02-25-2019, 02:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have previously reviewed the standard length Tristar that JC Wings (and now Gemini) are using and even though they have damaged the original mould's quality with some bad undercarriage it isn't a complete trainwreck.

The same cannot be said for the new Tristar 500, which bears little resemblance to a Tristar 500 at all and that's before you look at the printing and build quality. This model scores the worst of any I have reviewed over the past three years, it is truly that bad. In fact it is easily beaten by the 20 year old Dragon model of the same livery.

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Thank you for the thorough review. My only prior impression of the new mould was made from seeing various photos, as I haven’t bought any of the GJ TriStars. So it was nice to see an in-depth look at it.

Honestly, it’s too bad. I was hopeful that GJ may be getting more into doing classic releases, again. But with a garbage new L1011 mould, poor sales will probably make them only retrench back into doing their typical 320/737/350/787 releases.
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Thank you for the thorough review. My only prior impression of the new mould was made from seeing various photos, as I haven’t bought any of the GJ TriStars. So it was nice to see an in-depth look at it.

Honestly, it’s too bad. I was hopeful that GJ may be getting more into doing classic releases, again. But with a garbage new L1011 mould, poor sales will probably make them only retrench back into doing their typical 320/737/350/787 releases.
Sadly I understand it has sold really well! Most people apparently don't know or care what they are buying...
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This is what happens when you rush a model into production! I can wait for a better version. I am sure those that bought it are unaware of its faults and don't care!
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Wow that was some review, glad I waited to hear all the things wrong with this particular model before I purchased one myself.

I can see myself spending days looking up past reviews, I've never come across such an extensive list of reviews, you sir are a credit to this hobby.
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Good review of a sad subject, a paperweight. What baffles me is your reference to good sales for this model. I think most of us are currently holding off a bit with our purchases, awaiting the release of NG Models L-1011s, which may well set a new standard, and initiate an expensive buying spree... Keep 'em flying, Doug
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Very interesting, in-depth review, thank you, it's pretty bad when you look at it closely like this, going beyond just the obvious flaws and looking at all the other details that are incorrect as well. I did cave in and buy the damned thing (I knew it had issues), impatience and curiosity got the better of me, but I'll be stopping right there and wait for NG (and possibly AC) to give us something better, like everyone else is doing. So, you'll have to add me to the list of gits that aided the sales figures on this one.
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So, you'll have to add me to the list of gits that aided the sales figures on this one.
ha ha well I bought one too! I'm not against Gemini making L-1011s as long as they do a decent job of it
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Great review. I shall hold off as well. For now, I'm glad I have the Gemini 1:200 Pan Am.

Crazy how they did a good job on that yet fubar'd the new one.
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I can see myself spending days looking up past reviews, I've never come across such an extensive list of reviews, you sir are a credit to this hobby.
I had the pleasure of meeting Rich and his family when I traveled to NZ a few months ago, and I made sure to tell his wife that we all really appreciate the time and effort he spends on contributing to our hobby, so hopefully that's helped keep him out of the doghouse.
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ha ha well I bought one too! I'm not against Gemini making L-1011s as long as they do a decent job of it

Yes indeed Likewise, me neither, and I really wish they had done, because the more quality choice we have, the better. After all the errors with it, the straw that broke the camel's back was the cockpit - that head-on photo you put up in your review tells it all.
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Great review. I shall hold off as well. For now, I'm glad I have the Gemini 1:200 Pan Am.

Crazy how they did a good job on that yet fubar'd the new one.

I reckon on balance, Gemini take 1:200 way more seriously than 1:400 these days in terms of the accuracy.


P.S very nice display there!
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Thanks. I have more Pan Am models in 1:400 then I do in 1:200. So I look forward to a great rendition in the smaller scale down the road.
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Thanks. I have more Pan Am models in 1:400 then I do in 1:200. So I look forward to a great rendition in the smaller scale down the road.

Very welcome. Yeah I only collect 1:400 myself and the L-1011s have been seriously lacking. I'm really hanging for the big reveal from NG and possibly AC too
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Thank you Richard for all your reviews - you are saving many people's $$$ being wrongly spend.
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I figured the Gemini Pan Am L-1011 wouldn't be NG quality, but I didn't think it would be this bad. The way-too-high cheatline and atrocious high cockpit windows kill it for me, but details like the awful concave tail front and the wrong wing roots--with correct color painted over!--are especially not acceptable in 2019.

Looking forward to NG and Aeroclassics TriStars, and saving my money for them!

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And what's up with that Frisbee Fairing on the #2?! It's arched the wrong way!
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And what's up with that Frisbee Fairing on the #2?! It's arched the wrong way!
Indeed it is. I mention that in the review. It really is amateur hour on this model and mould in general.
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Therin is the irony. Because their 1:200 is killer. So bring it on AC or NG.
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I reckon on balance, Gemini take 1:200 way more seriously than 1:400 these days in terms of the accuracy.


P.S very nice display there!
I totally agree here and it's so blatantly obvious when you compare th detail in both scales. Despite what BS might come outta GJ's mouths when challenged about this, they have the potential to put effort into and doing a good model ( 1/400) and yet...
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I totally agree here and it's so blatantly obvious when you compare th detail in both scales. Despite what BS might come outta GJ's mouths when challenged about this, they have the potential to put effort into and doing a good model ( 1/400) and yet...
The story's a never ending one!!

Exactly. It really is a never-ending story, also look at how NG and other manufacturer's have raised the bar in 1/400 in the last few years, Gemini could do the same if they really wanted to, but instead invest most of their energy in 1/200 these days. It's frustrating when you know what can be acheived in 1/400 today, they should either make the commitment to do it 100% or not at all, and be honest about it.
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exactly, if you compare the quality NG bring on the market (others like Panda as well) then you seriously start thinking what to buy. I would rather wait and pay more for top quality than collecting "everything". We should really vote with our wallet! I am proud to be NG sponsor by buying their amazing quality models …..not even talking about the way they communicate with the collectors, another level!
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Well, Gemini should grab it’s antique mould off the archives and use it instead of this really horrible effort!

Just like AeroClassics‘ recent United/Pan Am hybrid L-1011 release, this is just... dreadful!

Have had both models in my hands now and am wondering... how can something like this happen to renowned 1/400 trademarks?
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barison82: "I reckon on balance, Gemini take 1:200 way more seriously than 1:400 these days in terms of the accuracy."

Might it be that the profit margin on 1/200 models is higher? I suspect that it is, although the 1/400 NGM Tristars are selling at a premium. Gemini can produce a quality 1/400 scale airliner, but their quality is inconsistent. Who's watching the barn? Doug
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It looks as much like a Tristar as their 707 looks like a 707.
In other words, not very much sadly.

I can see that cockpit windows are difficult at 1/400 scale but I think when you get this wrong, more than anything else it loses any similarity.
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I'd rather pay a hefty near fifty quid for a decent NG model that looks like the real thing,only 400 times smaller,than pay a relatively expensive price for a crappy Gemini attempt of a Tristar model. That's my executive decision!
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That’s why I ended up with a Gemini 1:200 Tristar 500.
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That’s why I ended up with a Gemini 1:200 Tristar 500.

Same here...

some may claim that no model is perfect, well the GJ200 Pan Am L1011 sure is!
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Well, Gemini should grab it’s antique mould off the archives and use it instead of this really horrible effort!
Just like AeroClassics‘ recent United/Pan Am hybrid L-1011 release, this is just... dreadful! Have had both models in my hands now and am wondering... how can something like this happen to renowned 1/400 trademarks?
Aeroclassics' factory, by AC's own admission, has had issues for some time now. Their old moulds are generally outstanding, and I love buying those models, when the research and colors are close enough. (Colors too dark is a common problem.) Of the new moulds, only the 767-200 is kind of good, but it's not great. It could still use refining--e.g. finer wings, stabs.

Gemini mostly seems to care about high-volume contemporary stuff in 1:400. Their recent 1:400 L-1011's I've seen, appear to have been a not-top-quality effort to fend off competition. I haven't bought any.

Like Vitek, I vote with my wallet. NG has raised the bar and makes outstanding 1:400 models. Their sheer refinement and print quality are amazing. NG costs somewhat more, but the competition isn't cheap, either. I now generally wait for NG to do L-1011's and 757-200's I want. This hobby has gotten expensive, and I want good models for my money.

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Well, Gemini should grab it’s antique mould off the archives and use it instead of this really horrible effort!

Just like AeroClassics‘ recent United/Pan Am hybrid L-1011 release, this is just... dreadful!

Have had both models in my hands now and am wondering... how can something like this happen to renowned 1/400 trademarks?

The thing that I can't stand is the complacency and complete disregard for the intelligence of the collector that has been demonstrated by both AC and Gemini of late.

Once NG came along they both scrambled to pump out subpar 757s and L-1011s - both moulds that we had been requesting for many years - in the hope that we would just ignore the fact that they were no good. Further, they expected us to snatch them up out of an expected, yet illusory brand loyalty.

I feel sorry for those newbies who don't know better but there's a lot of established and insightful collectors in this forum who won't fall for these tactics.
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Whoever does the pad printing, surely it's not rocket science to see the CENTRE of the fuselage to get the window cheatline in the right place? Why do so many models have it printed too high??? This is dreadful!
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Whoever does the pad printing, surely it's not rocket science to see the CENTRE of the fuselage to get the window cheatline in the right place? Who do so many models have it printed too high??? This is dreadful!
It seems IF200 can't get this right either. i wanted this model so bad, but the window line is just terrible!
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Rich, perhaps putting the Bluebox Tristar 500 and this new Gemini side by side to see which one is better? The Bluebox isn't decent but should be better than this dreadful new Gemini.

Such a shame. The old Gemini Tristar is way better.
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Rich, perhaps putting the Bluebox Tristar 500 and this new Gemini side by side to see which one is better? The Bluebox isn't decent but should be better than this dreadful new Gemini.

Such a shame. The old Gemini Tristar is way better.
Basically all the Tristar 500s are rubbish except for the Dragon Wings and NG Models ones. To be honest talking too much about this gets me more trouble than I can be bothered with. In this case you guys all have eyes. You don't need me to point out the awfulness. This Gemini effort isn't even the worst Pan Am Tristar 500 this year...
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To my mind this is one of the most attractive aircraft produced during the jetliner era. I'm referring to the real aircraft, not this model.


I have only just seen Richards review and imagine he was being kind by not giving it a score of 15 or less. This airframe has challenged model makers since day one. I have a couple of nice DW releases representing Sri Lankan and Pan Am from many years ago, however until the recent NG releases, there has been nothing since that has adequately replicated this beautiful looking airliner.


Made by collectors for collectors. I really don't think so.


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Aeroclassics' factory, by AC's own admission, has had issues for some time now. Their old moulds are generally outstanding, and I love buying those models, when the research and colors are close enough. (Colors too dark is a common problem.) Of the new moulds, only the 767-200 is kind of good, but it's not great. It could still use refining--e.g. finer wings, stabs.

Gemini mostly seems to care about high-volume contemporary stuff in 1:400. Their recent 1:400 L-1011's I've seen, appear to have been a not-top-quality effort to fend off competition. I haven't bought any.

Like Vitek, I vote with my wallet. NG has raised the bar and makes outstanding 1:400 models. Their sheer refinement and print quality are amazing. NG costs somewhat more, but the competition isn't cheap, either. I now generally wait for NG to do L-1011's and 757-200's I want. This hobby has gotten expensive, and I want good models for my money.

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I have only just seen Richards review and imagine he was being kind by not giving it a score of 15 or less. This airframe has challenged model makers since day one. I have a couple of nice DW releases representing Sri Lankan and Pan Am from many years ago, however until the recent NG releases, there has been nothing since that has adequately replicated this beautiful looking airliner.
Thinking the same. I have been collecting 1/400 scale models from the very beginning, starting with Gemini’s first release, the Royal Air Force L-1011, back in 1999 or so. Since then, many manufacturers (or brands) have released a variety of L-1011 moulds. To my mind, out of the pool of TriStar releases, the original Gemini moulds of the long-body as well as the short-body L-1011 were very good, whereas the short-body TriStar 500 was outpaced by far by DragonWings’ mould. DragonWings also made a mould of the long-body TriStar 1, but did not utilize it as they could have done; this one was on level with the competition. Ridiculously, some collectors and fools out of the business ‘criticized’ DragonWings for having plastic parts (which allowed finer shapes and better details, by the way), mainly used for wings and horizontal stabs. On the other hand, Gemini’s L-1011 mould a had that disturbing seam in the rear fuselage since they had a two-parts mould.

Various brands flooded the market, particularly Aviation400 and BlueBox, with moulds inferior to the mentioned pioneers. Compared to AV400 & Co., however, the latest Gemini and AeroClassics L-1011 moulds are - as simple as it is - pure rubbish and an insult to any collector. Time and necessity to improve, is all I can say!

NG Models is setting new standards and I am doubtful the competition will be able to catch up.


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Made by collectors for collectors. I really don't think so.
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