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Old 06-04-2017, 11:53 PM   #1
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It's great to see new moulds in this scale and with my interest in Chinese aviation this one's pretty exciting. Produced for Skywings by Panda Models it's a fabulous little mould and the ARJ21's story is a cautionary one to anybody thinking of making civil airliners. Nonetheless I don't doubt within my lifetime China will be a force to be reckoned with:

Fledgling Phoenix: The COMAC ARJ21 - Yesterday's Airlines

Chengdu Airlines COAC ARJ21-700 B-3321 by rstretton, on Flickr
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Thank you very much for this, Richard. I love anything thatís very new, like Comac, Mitsubishi, Irkut MC-21 etc. Iíve seen the attached ARJ21 in house livery by Panda which is a little pricey, but do you know where I could find your Chengdu Airlines version to buy?

Iíve just posted about another alleged 1:400 version, but I doubt it really is:
http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/1-200-scale-model-aircraft/288402-what-scale-comac-arj21.html

Also, how did you know so soon that this model was available? Iím wondering how to find out when the Irkut MS/MC-21 will be released, and also any of the Indian Regional Jets (HAL/NAL). I got a cheap Mitsubishi MRJ90 from Ebay. Any advice very gratefully received. Best Wishes,
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The Chengdu is by Panda as well. I find out about their releases by keeping an eye on the Skywings taobao shop mainly. That's also where I buy from. It seems when Panda make a new mould with limited potential the models are typically more expensive than their standard stuff. They recently made a Comac C919 for example.

Since their focus is on China most of the time I doubt they'll make an MRJ or MC-21 but you never know.
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The Chengdu is by Panda as well. I find out about their releases by keeping an eye on the Skywings taobao shop mainly. That's also where I buy from. It seems when Panda make a new mould with limited potential the models are typically more expensive than their standard stuff. They recently made a Comac C919 for example.

Since their focus is on China most of the time I doubt they'll make an MRJ or MC-21 but you never know.

Do you have a link to their taobao shop?
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Wow, that is really interesting to know, thank you, Richard.
I just Googled their shop and found the model below on the following link (as well as your model too):
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=561129998801


It looks like including delivery it's roughly £40 from Taobao or £60 from Ebay!
Even Ebay has its pitfalls, but they're easily manageable. Apart from the language barrier, what's are the worst pitfalls you've encountered with Taobao?

By the way, Birdy, because I can't search in Chinese, I found these items on Google by typing Taobao + the name of the model, but it did require a bit of fiddling to get the right search results.
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Do they have language options, such as English? I can't read Chinese, am missing out on these stuff on taobao. Help!
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There are several Chinese websites that sell Chinese-made models, e.g. Panda, cheaper than Ebay, Amazon etc. Wingsworld.cn is another one. As they have a client-base of around a billion people, I suppose there is no need to translate their websites. Only a few hundred million people speak English, so to them maybe itís only a Ďminorí language!

The first time I tried one of these websites, I contacted one of my Ebay sellers that Iíd bought from before who buys from China and posts through Shenzhen or Hong Kong, and asked him to buy it for me and sell it through Ebay. I think I paid him something like £20 to do that.

However in Chrome, there is usually a button in the top right-hand corner to translate the page into pigeon-English ó see attached. So thatís great if you can find the right page in the first place, but you canít search in English, only Chinese. To do that, I search in Google like this: ďtaobao.com Panda 737Ē for example, but keep the search criteria VERY simple, and if you donít get want you want first time, keep adjusting the search phrase.

Itís questionnable whether you are ďmissing out on these stuff on taobaoĒ; yes they are often cheaper than Ebay, but sometimes the difference is only a few pounds when you take into account the extra postage charges, and then customs fees. Iíve read a few reviews of these sites saying that the service is appalling at best, and sometimes non-existent. Having dealt with companies in communist countries before, Iíve often found that they honestly believe that customers are a nuisance, as they often get paid the same whether they sell or not. Several buyers from these sites have said that emails are never replied to, so a purchases could be a bit of a gamble. I also find it can take ages getting the right search criteria and then trying to guess whether itís really the model that I want.

This maybe explains the rise of websites which will buy from Chinese websites on your behalf, e.g. taobao-agent.com, tb-focus.com
I would say that some of the main things to bear in mind is that we use a language which is alien to these companies ó and even Google translate has difficulty with, and our culture of Ďthe customer is kingí is alien too.
Before handing over any money directly, Iíve recently made about a dozen enquires to some websites, like ĎIs it plastic or metal? Does it have a display stand? How long will delivery take to England? Can I pay by PayPal? What size is it?í So far only one out of ten has replied, and only after chasing them, so Iíve been content to pay extra to more reliable sellers.
Maybe ask RStretton? I think he said that he buys from taobabo.
Anyone else got any experience?
Caveat emptor!
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I use a third party website called https://www.engtaobao.com/ who make it possible to buy through taobao without knowing any Mandarin. They act as a middleman and do the postage outside China. It is reliable (I've even had a refund once) but they obviously take a bit of a cut. It can get expensive especially if buying only one model.

There are eBay sellers though in the UK, China and Australia.

If you are searching on taobao itself it tends to make sense to use the aircraft rego as that is usually not in Mandarin
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I use a third party website called https://www.engtaobao.com/ who make it possible to buy through taobao without knowing any Mandarin. They act as a middleman and do the postage outside China. It is reliable (I've even had a refund once) but they obviously take a bit of a cut. It can get expensive especially if buying only one model.

There are eBay sellers though in the UK, China and Australia.

If you are searching on taobao itself it tends to make sense to use the aircraft rego as that is usually not in Mandarin
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There are several Chinese websites that sell Chinese-made models, e.g. Panda, cheaper than Ebay, Amazon etc. Wingsworld.cn is another one. As they have a client-base of around a billion people, I suppose there is no need to translate their websites. Only a few hundred million people speak English, so to them maybe itís only a Ďminorí language!

The first time I tried one of these websites, I contacted one of my Ebay sellers that Iíd bought from before who buys from China and posts through Shenzhen or Hong Kong, and asked him to buy it for me and sell it through Ebay. I think I paid him something like £20 to do that.

However in Chrome, there is usually a button in the top right-hand corner to translate the page into pigeon-English ó see attached. So thatís great if you can find the right page in the first place, but you canít search in English, only Chinese. To do that, I search in Google like this: ďtaobao.com Panda 737Ē for example, but keep the search criteria VERY simple, and if you donít get want you want first time, keep adjusting the search phrase.

Itís questionnable whether you are ďmissing out on these stuff on taobaoĒ; yes they are often cheaper than Ebay, but sometimes the difference is only a few pounds when you take into account the extra postage charges, and then customs fees. Iíve read a few reviews of these sites saying that the service is appalling at best, and sometimes non-existent. Having dealt with companies in communist countries before, Iíve often found that they honestly believe that customers are a nuisance, as they often get paid the same whether they sell or not. Several buyers from these sites have said that emails are never replied to, so a purchases could be a bit of a gamble. I also find it can take ages getting the right search criteria and then trying to guess whether itís really the model that I want.

This maybe explains the rise of websites which will buy from Chinese websites on your behalf, e.g. taobao-agent.com, tb-focus.com
I would say that some of the main things to bear in mind is that we use a language which is alien to these companies ó and even Google translate has difficulty with, and our culture of Ďthe customer is kingí is alien too.
Before handing over any money directly, Iíve recently made about a dozen enquires to some websites, like ĎIs it plastic or metal? Does it have a display stand? How long will delivery take to England? Can I pay by PayPal? What size is it?í So far only one out of ten has replied, and only after chasing them, so Iíve been content to pay extra to more reliable sellers.
Maybe ask RStretton? I think he said that he buys from taobabo.
Anyone else got any experience?
Caveat emptor!
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