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Hi all,

This is my first post on the DAC forum although I've been lurking for a good while now. I'm quite a private person by nature but thought it was time to open up my shell, say hello and share a bit of background as to my interest in 1:400 scale aircraft models, for anyone who might want to know

I'm from London and have lived here all my life. It has changed quite a bit in the last few years, with constant redevelopment altering it's character substantially, and one area of London in particular that has changed considerably is it's main airport, London Heathrow...

Back in my teenage years (mid-late 1990s) I was at the beginning of my interest in commercial aviation and would go on regular 'adventures' to the Spectator's Viewing Gallery at Terminal 2 with some mates from school by way of the Piccadilly Line, all the way from East Finchley in North London, on weekends during the warm summer months, and spend all day there watching the comings and goings of many classic airliners, taking photos and visiting the gift shop, wishing I could afford the amazingly detailed metal planes in the glass cabinets. We'd also visit all the terminals and collect loads of timetables from all the different airlines. I still hadn't flown yet and found the whole environment fascinating and exciting, hoping that one day I'd be a passenger too, flying off to some exotic destination.

Little did I know then that I was catching LHR in the final years of it's added to but near-original 1950s infrastructure; 9-11 would bring about the closure of the viewing platforms and the following years would see a whole host of major redevelopment - a new Terminal 5 built, the demolition of the original control tower (a very recognisable landmark) and the radar mast, demolition of most of the original terminal buildings including Terminal 2, it's closed viewing platforms & Queen's Building - it's become a very different airport from the one I knew then, and I'm glad I caught it when I did and have all those fond memories and photos, because the atmosphere was quite special then.

At that time when I was getting into airliners I had some old books from the early 80s which showed all the old liveries of the major carriers, and I really liked them. From then to now, my favorite era of commercial aviation remains as the mid 1970s - mid 1980s. In particular I really liked the old Negus 'Red Tail' livery of British Airways, and all the old British-built aircraft the airline had used alongside TriStars and 747s, but back in 1996 there weren't any 1:400 scale models available of some of those aircraft, both in the Negus livery of BA or in retro liveries of other world airlines, that I knew of, apart from old Airfix model kits (I did improvise a 1:144 scale Airfix 747-136 model I built a few years later and hand-painted the BA Red Tail livery on it, complete with silver bottom!)

I did collect some of the Wooster brand and other similar make plastic snap-together models though as some of these were done in retro schemes, old Pan Am and Twin-Globe TWA 747s, Laker Airways DC-10 etc. They were the only ones I could afford anyway at the time! This was my first experience buying and collecting models, before I could afford to ascend to the diecast 1:400 ones.

So it was a dream come true many years later, when I accidentally discovered Big Bird & Aeroclassics models on a trip to Uxbridge to visit the Aviation Retail Direct shop, in 2007. By this time my interest had become dormant and I'd thrown all the old plastic models out during a house move. I knew nothing of the current models that were being made or of the brands available etc. until I got talking to a friend at work who happened to have a major interest in aircraft and model collecting, and invited me to go with him to this shop.

That's when it really started - 1:400 scale collecting began with the discovery of a BA Negus 747 with 'British' titles, and then I went crazy! I found quite a large number of retro-liveried 747s and soon learnt about Big Bird, Aeroclassics, Gemini and all the other names, and the very limited releases that were available, and from 2007 to now I've been slowly building up a collection of commercial airliners from the 70s-80s. I still have a long way to go though. I plan to build an accurate 1:400 scale model of Heathrow Airport as it would have appeared then, out of plasticard, and the collection I'm building up is to accurately reflect LHR's traffic from that period also, hence a large Negus-liveried British Airways fleet

I do want to mention a couple of users on here whose collections have really blown me away and inspired me, those of RStretton (and his amazing Yesterday's Airlines blog, fantastic stuff, right up my street), BWI-ROCman and Jaketheone46 - where I learnt all about waffle collectibles and realised how I had missed out bigtime!!

I share all the sentiments expressed regarding the present difficulties in collecting retro 1:400 airliners of this era, with most of the models being produced in exceptionally limited quantities, now very hard to find and in most cases, very expensive, with ridiculous prices on ebay - much to my disappointment. We must be in the small percentage group of collectors!

Anyway I've gone on quite a bit (months of silence now a torrent lol), but looking forward to hopefully getting a bit more involved in the hobby through this forum and meeting new people...

Cheers and Best Wishes for the New Year

Alex

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Welcome to the wonderful world of 1/400, and you will find; as I did; how addictive it can be. I dont post much either but enjoy reading. I've been collecting these aeroplanes for maybe 3 or 4 years.. and have 165 in total now; plus a few of the Corgi 1/144, and an old resin / fibreglass Tristar demo which i think is about 1/200.
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Welcome to the forum Alex. Glad you like my site. You've actually been collecting for longer than I have!

How many models do you have? I assume you picked up the recent Aeroclassics KLM A310, which must be perfect for your LHR period. I've been tempted to make a model of the old T2 European gates at LHR myself.
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Welcome to the wonderful world of 1/400, and you will find; as I did; how addictive it can be. I dont post much either but enjoy reading. I've been collecting these aeroplanes for maybe 3 or 4 years.. and have 165 in total now; plus a few of the Corgi 1/144, and an old resin / fibreglass Tristar demo which i think is about 1/200.
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Thanks a lot Andy, addictive it certainly is! Yes I've been the same - reading loads and finding out a hell of a lot, but not saying much. Wow 165 is quite a lot - I don't think I've got enough room for that many (I've got other hobbies taking up space too lol) The resin/fibreglass TriStar demo sounds unusual. Thanks for the link regarding the LHR tower - I'll check that out!
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Welcome to the forum Alex. Glad you like my site. You've actually been collecting for longer than I have!

How many models do you have? I assume you picked up the recent Aeroclassics KLM A310, which must be perfect for your LHR period. I've been tempted to make a model of the old T2 European gates at LHR myself.
Many thanks Richard - yes I think it's fantastic, telling the story of each aircraft's history through each model you collect, and love all the retro airline logos It's funny because I've been collecting for many years but because of my specific area of interest, it's been very hard building it up.

I have 47 models so far - 2 are 1:200 scale: a BA Negus TriStar and a BA Negus 747-136, two of my favourite planes in my all-time favourite livery. I've added most of them to the collection list, however some recent releases don't seem to be on the database yet (e.g 2015 release Gemini Pan Am 747-100)

Lol believe it or not I've yet to add any Airbus planes to my fleet - I've been concentrating too much on classic 747s! I'll have to look that up - I'd need an A300 as well, plus 767s, 757s and DC-10s, which I also don't have in 1:400 scale yet

Yes the T2 gate at LHR evokes some classic memories, like rows of Trident 1s, 2s and 3s all lined up...I might have a crack at the massive BA hangar while I'm at it!

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I've just picked up the LHR tower, it looks really good! They've got the BOAC hangar as well, brilliant site, thanks again for the link
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Many thanks Richard - yes I think it's fantastic, telling the story of each aircraft's history through each model you collect, and love all the retro airline logos It's funny because I've been collecting for many years but because of my specific area of interest, it's been very hard building it up.

I have 46 models so far - 2 are 1:200 scale: a BA Negus TriStar and a BA Negus 747-136, two of my favourite planes in my all-time favourite livery. I've added most of them to the collection list, however some recent releases don't seem to be on the database yet (e.g 2015 release Gemini Pan Am 747-100)

Lol believe it or not I've yet to add any Airbus planes to my fleet - I've been concentrating too much on classic 747s! I'll have to look that up - I'd need an A300 as well, plus 767s, 757s and DC-10s, which I also don't have in 1:400 scale yet

Yes the T2 gate at LHR evokes some classic memories, like rows of Trident 1s, 2s and 3s all lined up...I might have a crack at the massive BA hangar while I'm at it!
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Blimey I'm learning all the time! The resources seem endless. Thanks a lot, this looks very good actually. I'll have to register here as well
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My collection is on the Dima site.. it is easy to use..
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Welcome!! I hope you have a good time here. I would like to say I collect 1/200 but I guess 1/400 is a nice scale too. Have a wonderful time.
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Welcome to the site, I am sure you will find it very rewarding.

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Welcome, Alex! I envy the time and years you had with Heathrow in the 70's and 80's. Would love to have seen all those BA Negus planes...including the Concorde!! Thank you for your kind words about my collection! I estimate my mostly-1:400 model collection to be around 650 right now.

My love of airliners started in the early 1970's, when I wasn't even five years old. My first flying memories, believe it or not, are from when I was three, in 1971. My parents took us on a flying trip from hometown Rochester NY, to Washington, DC, on United 737's. I remember seeing a UA 737 from the top of the Washington Monument!

I spent my childhood in Rochester seeing Mohawk and its successor Allegheny, American, and United. Then came Deregulation when I was 11, then our three-airline airport suddenly had 10-15 carriers at a time! I saw ORD on family trips to see relatives around Chicago, and was always so excited to see colorful Braniff, which didn't come to Western New York. I saw my first 747 at age six at ORD, a UA Friend Ship. A family trip to Los Angeles in 1979 allowed me to see local-carrier greats like Hughes Airwest and PSA, and exotic Air New Zealand and Avianca.

I've never been to London (yet!), but did get to Europe in the 80's, a high school exchange trip to Germany in 1984. As an American, it was fun to see 727's, DC-9's, and 737's in European-airline colors, and see exotics like an Iraqi Airways 747. I visited the airline offices at FRA and collected a massive trove of timetables, most of which remain in my big timetable collection today!

I discovered Waffle Collectibles at this site by accident five years ago or so, when I mentioned that I needed replacement Dragon stands, and Michael contacted me and offered to send me some. I've been buying from Waffle ever since, both new and collection-sale models. A lot of my Aeroclassics and Big Bird 747's and DC-10's have come from his collection sales. There isn't a better model shop out there!!

In honor of your arrival, here's a photo of a new display shelf I built during the Christmas break this past week. I use bookcases (the books have been moved to out-of-room bookcases ) to display many of my models. A homemade plexiglas shelf can increase shelf space by around 40 percent. This one is to expand my 80's section.

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Hello Daniel - thanks a lot! 1/200 is a fantastic and impressive looking scale, I have two of my favourite airliners in 1/200 - an L-1011 TriStar & a 747-136. But it's way too big for me to make up a serious collection, 1:400 is just right
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Hi Bob, many thanks - it's a fantastic resource with so many knowledgable people involved with it. I can't stop reading!

I just figured that out with DiMA - and saved a lot of time

P.S I see that you're from Down Under. My missus is from Brisbane and we go out there every year to visit. Love the classic Quantas 747Bs!

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Welcome, Alex! I envy the time and years you had with Heathrow in the 70's and 80's. Would love to have seen all those BA Negus planes...including the Concorde!! Thank you for your kind words about my collection! I estimate my mostly-1:400 model collection to be around 650 right now.

My love of airliners started in the early 1970's, when I wasn't even five years old. My first flying memories, believe it or not, are from when I was three, in 1971. My parents took us on a flying trip from hometown Rochester NY, to Washington, DC, on United 737's. I remember seeing a UA 737 from the top of the Washington Monument!

I spent my childhood in Rochester seeing Mohawk and its successor Allegheny, American, and United. Then came Deregulation when I was 11, then our three-airline airport suddenly had 10-15 carriers at a time! I saw ORD on family trips to see relatives around Chicago, and was always so excited to see colorful Braniff, which didn't come to Western New York. I saw my first 747 at age six at ORD, a UA Friend Ship. A family trip to Los Angeles in 1979 allowed me to see local-carrier greats like Hughes Airwest and PSA, and exotic Air New Zealand and Avianca.

I've never been to London (yet!), but did get to Europe in the 80's, a high school exchange trip to Germany in 1984. As an American, it was fun to see 727's, DC-9's, and 737's in European-airline colors, and see exotics like an Iraqi Airways 747. I visited the airline offices at FRA and collected a massive trove of timetables, most of which remain in my big timetable collection today!

I discovered Waffle Collectibles at this site by accident five years ago or so, when I mentioned that I needed replacement Dragon stands, and Michael contacted me and offered to send me some. I've been buying from Waffle ever since, both new and collection-sale models. A lot of my Aeroclassics and Big Bird 747's and DC-10's have come from his collection sales. There isn't a better model shop out there!!

In honor of your arrival, here's a photo of a new display shelf I built during the Christmas break this past week. I use bookcases (the books have been moved to out-of-room bookcases ) to display many of my models. A homemade plexiglas shelf can increase shelf space by around 40 percent. This one is to expand my 80's section.

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Hello Jim

Wow what awesome memories - thanks so much for taking the time to share them. That's one hell of a collection you have there! My collection is very modest in comparison, due to space limitations, but also because of modelling a specific location and era.

I envy those times at LHR too as I wasn't around then - it was the mid/late 1990s that I was visiting ! BA Landor was just about to disappear, so I caught that, and Concorde, but not the Negus era. I was born in 1982! The 70s-80s just happens to be my favourite period, even though it was before my time

You have some great memories of Deregulation in the US airline industry, and mention some classic national carriers. It certainly added a huge mount of variety for the spotter! Braniff had some amazing colours, very unique actually.

It's funny because I can't remember when I saw my first 747 - I just grew up with them flying over London. Where I lived in North London, there was a regular flight path from LHR and I always remember the growl/whistle of the P&W JT9Ds as 747s passed overhead. I'd watch them from my balcony during the summer months. We had visits from the Goodyear Blimp 'Europa N2A' as well! That I do remember seeing for the first time, you just couldn't miss it, and it terrified me - those are my earliest memories, from 1984-1985. It made a lot of noise.

Awesome how you visited Germany in 1984 - when it was still East & West - what an interesting time. Great you've kept hold of all your old timetables. I have some old airline tickets that I've found - Brtish Airways, Air New Zealand and British Caledonian, all from 1974!

Hopefully you'll visit London one day - it's an amazing city with an incredible history. It played host to 2 World Wars; it suffered the first ever aerial bombardment in human history - the Zeppelin raids of 1915-1917! Then the Luftwaffe in 1940-41, with the Blitz. Survived the Great Fire in 1666. A tough old place if anything! I would like to see more of the USA - I've only visited New York City & Washington D.C so far.

Funny because like yourself, I discovered Waffle by accident too, and it's great how you were able to build your collection up like that. Hopefully I'll be able to pick up something from that guy in the near future, slowly but surely I'm finding those rare birds!

What a fantastic job on that display case - very impressive! Thanks for sharing I have all my models packed away at the moment in their boxes - I'm waiting until I can build my airport scene, then I will display them all on that hopefully - it's just the space, or lack of it!

Best wishes

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Welcome aboard Alex, I enjoyed reading your introduction and about how you got into aviation and models as a youngster. I have to say that your story is remarkably similar to my own, hanging about my own local airport (Glasgow) picking up timetables, baggage tags, watching the comings and goings, hoping to fly some day, to some exotic land etc. I too am a big British Airways Negus era fan and can recall watching all the Tridents, BAC 1-11's, HS 748's, Viscounts and being there for the first 757 touchdown in '83.

In 1984 a friend and me saved up and went on a spotters coach tour that took us to Luton, Farnborough air show, some air bases and a whole day at HEATHROW ! WOW, what a place it was back then, I marvelled at all the heavies, nothing like GLA at all. I especially enjoyed the Negus tailed 747's Tristars and Concorde. I was amazed that you could look out into the distance to see plane after plane lining up for finals. I've been at Heathrow many times since then as both enthusiast or passenger, but it just doesn't have that magic I experienced as a kid anymore.

So a bit like yourself, I used to build Airfix kits back in the day, then as teenage years arrived, grew out of the hobby and into more traditional teenage pursuits, "birds n' booze" etc ;-) All of my amassed model collection got either given away or tossed out in the bin. (damn)

Years later in my early 30's I took an Aer Lingus flight from Dubin to Los Angeles and decided I'd like a little memento of the trip, so upon return I looked up the internet for a model and ended up with the just released Gemini Jets A330-200, with the highly appropriate reg EI-LAX. Then I got another model from the aviation shop at MAN whilst hanging about for a connecting flight. Then it just grew and grew, and 14 years later I've got hundreds of the little buggers !

My collection is largely based around classic BA, lots of Aer Lingus, British Caledonian, other UK operators and a good dose of ad-hoc stuff that takes my fancy too.

You might be interested in this little BA history thread I put together on here nearly three years ago to mark the 1974-2014 40th anniversary of the creation of British Airways.

http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...h-airways.html

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Welcome aboard Alex, I enjoyed reading your introduction and about how you got into aviation and models as a youngster. I have to say that your story is remarkably similar to my own, hanging about my own local airport (Glasgow) picking up timetables, baggage tags, watching the comings and goings, hoping to fly some day, to some exotic land etc. I too am a big British Airways Negus era fan and can recall watching all the Tridents, BAC 1-11's, HS 748's, Viscounts and being there for the first 757 touchdown in '83.

In 1984 a friend and me saved up and went on a spotters coach tour that took us to Luton, Farnborough air show, some air bases and a whole day at HEATHROW ! WOW, what a place it was back then, I marvelled at all the heavies, nothing like GLA at all. I especially enjoyed the Negus tailed 747's Tristars and Concorde. I was amazed that you could look out into the distance to see plane after plane lining up for finals. I've been at Heathrow many times since then as both enthusiast or passenger, but it just doesn't have that magic I experienced as a kid anymore.

So a bit like yourself, I used to build Airfix kits back in the day, then as teenage years arrived, grew out of the hobby and into more traditional teenage pursuits, "birds n' booze" etc ;-) All of my amassed model collection got either given away or tossed out in the bin. (damn)

Years later in my early 30's I took an Aer Lingus flight from Dubin to Los Angeles and decided I'd like a little memento of the trip, so upon return I looked up the internet for a model and ended up with the just released Gemini Jets A330-200, with the highly appropriate reg EI-LAX. Then I got another model from the aviation shop at MAN whilst hanging about for a connecting flight. Then it just grew and grew, and 14 years later I've got hundreds of the little buggers !

My collection is largely based around classic BA, lots of Aer Lingus, British Caledonian, other UK operators and a good dose of ad-hoc stuff that takes my fancy too.

You might be interested in this little BA history thread I put together on here nearly three years ago to mark the 1974-2014 40th anniversary of the creation of British Airways.

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Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the read...It's amazing when others share a similar story - and yours really does sound familiar! I have to say I'm very jealous - you caught the Negus era and some classic British aviation. I found some old footage of BEA Tridents taking off and landing at Heathrow on YouTube and boy were they loud! From the archives of good old Thames Television:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSZWtTLZJBI

Glasgow airport must have been a world away from LHR. Awesome that you caught the first 757 touchdown in '83! I did witness the retro scheme worn by one during their last days with BA, in 2009 I think? Your spotters visit to Heathrow in 1984 was the best era, all the great aircraft and colour schemes, and the airport still had that magic about it. Glad I caught that too - if not a little bit later. The viewing gallery offered unbeatable views; what a shame it's all gone. I agree, it's just not the same anymore. The original terminal buildings had a lot of character, with the contemporary 70s style Underground stations at the airport as well.

Yep exactly the same - other distractions like the ones you mention lol - I grew out of the hobby too and all those kits/plastic models went in the bin.

Brilliant start to your collection with EI-LAX. Once it's started, there's no going back! 1:400 is a very collectible scale. Great that you're into the classic BA Negus era too, Aer Lingus had a great colour scheme from the late 70s onwards - I'm looking for a 747-100 in those colours, I think Big Bird made one as well as Gemini. British Caledonian is another classic, I remember the later years of Caledonian (Landor style scheme) at Gatwick in 1998, they were still using TriStars then as well.

I'll have a read of your thread - thanks for sharing!

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Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the read...It's amazing when others share a similar story - and yours really does sound familiar! I have to say I'm very jealous - you caught the Negus era and some classic British aviation. I found some old footage of BEA Tridents taking off and landing at Heathrow on YouTube and boy were they loud! From the archives of good old Thames Television:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSZWtTLZJBI

Glasgow airport must have been a world away from LHR. Awesome that you caught the first 757 touchdown in '83! I did witness the retro scheme worn by one during their last days with BA, in 2009 I think? Your spotters visit to Heathrow in 1984 was the best era, all the great aircraft and colour schemes, and the airport still had that magic about it. Glad I caught that too - if not a little bit later. The viewing gallery offered unbeatable views; what a shame it's all gone. I agree, it's just not the same anymore. The original terminal buildings had a lot of character, with the contemporary 70s style Underground stations at the airport as well.

Yep exactly the same - other distractions like the ones you mention lol - I grew out of the hobby too and all those kits/plastic models went in the bin.

Brilliant start to your collection with EI-LAX. Once it's started, there's no going back! 1:400 is a very collectible scale. Great that you're into the classic BA Negus era too, Aer Lingus had a great colour scheme from the late 70s onwards - I'm looking for a 747-100 in those colours, I think Big Bird made one as well as Gemini. British Caledonian is another classic, I remember the later years of Caledonian (Landor style scheme) at Gatwick in 1998, they were still using TriStars then as well.

I'll have a read of your thread - thanks for sharing!

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Yeah it was great seeing that shiny new 757 arrive way back in February 1983 as a 12 year old, bunking off school to go see it. It even made the local BBC News that day and 17 years later when I joined the BBC myself as a cameraman I met the guy who filmed it. So in October 2010 when that retro 757 (G-CPET) was around for a while and coming into Glasgow for a Saturday afternoon Shuttle service, I arranged with BA's press office to go and film it for posterity.

Here's a photo from the first arrival in 1983, and a picture I took on the last day in October 2010 from more or less the same spot,



Unfortunately our news room didn't have any space for it on the regional news bulletin that day, but it was nice to be able to say I'd been there for BA's first and last 757 service, some 27 years apart. Here's the video I made that day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKVTRy2j4iQ

BA also gave me a free trip on 'PET' that evening on the very last revenue service, from Edinburgh to Heathrow. I kipped overnight on a chair in T5 and came home the next day on an A320.

Another video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2iAbrfoAp8

As for that Aer Lingus 80's livery 747 model; yeah both Gemini and Aeroclassics (Big Bird mould) did it and I have both in my collection. There was also an AC release in the livery but with Air Jamaica logos when it was leased out.
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Welcome to the forum Alex. Like you, I too used to like going to the old viewing gallery on T2. Those were the days. For any gaps in your collection I can recommend the Heathrow Aviation Enthusiasts show at Kempton Park held in May and November. Lots of models and aviation related items for sale, also the Gatwick show, held in May too. This is held at the K2 sports centre in Crawley. All events are held on a Sunday.. Happy collecting.

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Hello Daniel - thanks a lot! 1/200 is a fantastic and impressive looking scale, I have two of my favourite airliners in 1/200 - an L-1011 TriStar & a 747-136. But it's way too big for me to make up a serious collection, 1:400 is just right
Yes, you are correct. 1/200 is a pretty big scale. I have about 20 models, and they're taking up a lot of space. Maybe I could get a 1/400 counterpart for each 200 scale model I have???
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I can recommend the Gatwick fair..I went there last year; planning to do so again this year. More model aeroplanes than you can shake a stick at; all scales, shapes and sizes. Plenty of books and postcards, etc too. I was well pleased with my haul which included a couple of 1/400 Comets and my first Caravelle.
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Yeah it was great seeing that shiny new 757 arrive way back in February 1983 as a 12 year old, bunking off school to go see it. It even made the local BBC News that day and 17 years later when I joined the BBC myself as a cameraman I met the guy who filmed it. So in October 2010 when that retro 757 (G-CPET) was around for a while and coming into Glasgow for a Saturday afternoon Shuttle service, I arranged with BA's press office to go and film it for posterity.

Here's a photo from the first arrival in 1983, and a picture I took on the last day in October 2010 from more or less the same spot,



Unfortunately our news room didn't have any space for it on the regional news bulletin that day, but it was nice to be able to say I'd been there for BA's first and last 757 service, some 27 years apart. Here's the video I made that day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKVTRy2j4iQ

BA also gave me a free trip on 'PET' that evening on the very last revenue service, from Edinburgh to Heathrow. I kipped overnight on a chair in T5 and came home the next day on an A320.

Another video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2iAbrfoAp8

As for that Aer Lingus 80's livery 747 model; yeah both Gemini and Aeroclassics (Big Bird mould) did it and I have both in my collection. There was also an AC release in the livery but with Air Jamaica logos when it was leased out.
First off, absolutely brilliant footage of G-CPET, very well filmed (which is no surprise given your profession), an excellent record of the last day. Thanks for sharing! Love the photo comparison - hard to believe they're so far apart - and the retro livery is very accurately depicted as can be seen.

Great story as well, how you were there for it's first arrival and bunked off school to see it! Amazing how you actually met the guy that filmed PET on it's first day after becoming a cameraman yourself, then managing to film it on it's last day - that makes you very much a part of the plane's history! Brilliant that you got a free trip too

I'll keep a lookout for the AC Aer Lingus one - I've standardised my whole 747 collection on the BB/AC ones pretty much

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Welcome to the forum Alex. Like you, I too used to like going to the old viewing gallery on T2. Those were the days. For any gaps in your collection I can recommend the Heathrow Aviation Enthusiasts show at Kempton Park held in May and November. Lots of models and aviation related items for sale, also the Gatwick show, held in May too. This is held at the K2 sports centre in Crawley. All events are held on a Sunday.. Happy collecting.

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Thanks Lufthansaboy! Those were the days indeed. No more T1 now and T3 will be gone by 2019 - no more 'classic' Heathrow!

Those Enthusiasts shows sounds promising - I must try and get to one this year. I only knew Kempton Park for the races lol! Thanks for the handy tips
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Yes, you are correct. 1/200 is a pretty big scale. I have about 20 models, and they're taking up a lot of space. Maybe I could get a 1/400 counterpart for each 200 scale model I have???
I can well believe it at 20 models in that scale - they're big. You certainly could get a baby version of each - that would look quite cool actually
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I can recommend the Gatwick fair..I went there last year; planning to do so again this year. More model aeroplanes than you can shake a stick at; all scales, shapes and sizes. Plenty of books and postcards, etc too. I was well pleased with my haul which included a couple of 1/400 Comets and my first Caravelle.
That sounds good! I'd have to make sure I've got a decent wedge on me for that one by the sounds of it. Got a fair few BigBird 747s I'm really after!
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Welcome to the forum Alex and clearly we have the same passion for airline nostalgia and collecting in 1/400 scale. If you want the latest news and gossip about Aeroclassics models, you should also register on 400 Scale Hangar forum.
I am passionate about collecting models that show the history and livery changes of each airline, especially those seen at London Heathrow over the years. I visit ARD about once a month as they are my main source for models. I have also published several books, the latest one is shown in my avatar on the left " Heathrow in Photographs - celebrating 70 Years of London's Airport" which is an all-colour hardback pictorial romp through the airliners and nostalgia scenes at Heathrow over the past 70 years. The book can be found on Amazon, E. Bay and all good book sellers. In the past, Aeroclassics have used my books as references for many of the retro models that have been made over the past 15 or so years. Alas, as you say, many are now hard to find and quite expensive if you find them, but with patience hopefully you'll find some of them. I can highly recommend the two major aviation collector's fairs in the UK - the Heathrow Aircraft Collectors Fair is twice a year at Kempton Park racecourse in May and November and the Gatwick Fair at Crawley, the next one being on Sunday 23rd April, where you can find some rare models for good prices. See you there?
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May i also welcome you here on the forum Alex! I also started with collecting in 1:400 way back in 2002 but after 12+ years of collecting i made the switch two years ago to 1:200 & military 1:72. At the moment i'm happily 'retired' from collecting any aircraft models in any scale but i'm still on the look out for certain models, even the ones in 1:400 mostly from Aeroclassics. last year i also visited the great city of London, i had a blast but of the major European cities i have seen so far my favorite will still be the city of love, Paris! anyway have a good time on the forum and always remember; happy collecting amigo!
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I am passionate about collecting models that show the history and livery changes of each airline, especially those seen at London Heathrow over the years. I visit ARD about once a month as they are my main source for models. I have also published several books, the latest one is shown in my avatar on the left " Heathrow in Photographs - celebrating 70 Years of London's Airport" which is an all-colour hardback pictorial romp through the airliners and nostalgia scenes at Heathrow over the past 70 years. The book can be found on Amazon, E. Bay and all good book sellers. In the past, Aeroclassics have used my books as references for many of the retro models that have been made over the past 15 or so years. Alas, as you say, many are now hard to find and quite expensive if you find them, but with patience hopefully you'll find some of them. I can highly recommend the two major aviation collector's fairs in the UK - the Heathrow Aircraft Collectors Fair is twice a year at Kempton Park racecourse in May and November and the Gatwick Fair at Crawley, the next one being on Sunday 23rd April, where you can find some rare models for good prices. See you there?
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Thank you very much indeed. I'm overwhelmed - DAC, Wings900 and DiMA - now 400 Scale Hangar, so many! I can hardly keep up. There's such a wealth of information here. I will certainly register there as Aeroclassics are amongst my favourites.

I have an enourmous passion for airline nostalgia, very nice to meet others that share the same enthusiasm for this subject. Livery heritage is fascinating and wonderful to see represented in 1:400 scale collections. My collection is restricted in the sense that it represents a very specific period and location: Heathrow between 1975-1985. ARD has helped my collection enormously although I haven't visited the Uxbridge shop in some time. I must rectify this!

How fantastic that you've written some books on the very subject that fascinates me! I'll pick up a copy of that - brilliant! Heathrow has entered the next chapter in it's history now; all the original 50s-60s infrastructure is almost gone - T3 will disappear next year. It's more spacious and modern maybe, but lacks the character and special atmosphere that airport had before somehow. The architecture has everything to do with that, as well as the aircraft that visits of course.

How amazing that you were also referenced by Aeroclassics. Your material certainly pointed them in the right direction as their renderings are very accurate indeed! Fortunately I am a very patient person and good things come to those who wait - it's part of the fun collecting anyway.

The Heathrow Fair at Kempton Racecourse sounds a must - I must make a note in my diary, and the Gatwick Fair on the 23rd should be doable - sounds much more rewarding than looking online all the time!

So yes - hope to see you there perhaps!

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May i also welcome you here on the forum Alex! I also started with collecting in 1:400 way back in 2002 but after 12+ years of collecting i made the switch two years ago to 1:200 & military 1:72. At the moment i'm happily 'retired' from collecting any aircraft models in any scale but i'm still on the look out for certain models, even the ones in 1:400 mostly from Aeroclassics. last year i also visited the great city of London, i had a blast but of the major European cities i have seen so far my favorite will still be the city of love, Paris! anyway have a good time on the forum and always remember; happy collecting amigo!
Hi Surinam Air, thanks very much. Wow, you moved to the big scale! Very impressive your collection must be Aeroclassics have made some of the best and most sought after 1:400 scale models, they are so good. Great to hear you visited London but yes I do agree, Paris has a romantic charm that can never be eclipsed. It takes my breath away to, must visit again soon...and thanks for your kind and positive words, all the best!
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Hi Alex,

Welcome to the Forum - I'm still relatively new myself but your story resonated with me. I watched the early seasons of BBC Airport (the ones narrated by John Nettles) and absolutely agree that the atmosphere of Heathrow in the mid to late nineties was definitely something else.

I moved to London a few years ago and was very excited to be finally transiting through Heathrow only to find that Terminal 5 was a very sterile place indeed. I think I must be one of the few passengers that enjoy long winding walks through a never ending terminal building. The only place I get a glimpse of that now is bits of Terminal 3 where you can recognise some of the layout. I never got to see the Queen's terminal myself before it was rebuilt but knew my way around quite well just from watching all those airport episodes.

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Wow I've got to pick up the Heathrow book so I can see some of this you all are all remembering. I myself always have loved any and all airplanes and started working for DHL back in 1993 in the original cvg old building. I was there when they picked up there first 5 dc8s and we even had a dc8 dedication day. Back then I had never seen a 747 in person but it's always been my favorite. Back a few years ago I worked again at the airport fueling airliners at cvg and during that time Dhl came back to cvg. (They had moved the hub to Wilmington for a few years) so I ended up seeing my first 747 and fueled at least one every Sunday. It was usually the polar 747 that was going to Alaska. Fueling the 747 was actually the easiest one I've fueled being it automatically sends the fuel to the proper tanks where on 737s,md90s, and the others we filled the wing tanks first. Pretty sure it was 8500lbs that went in the wings of a 737 so 17,000lbs in the wings then the rest of the load went into the center tank. Seemed like the polar air 747 had 7 tanks total but I could be wrong. I loved fueling airplanes but the pay was not acceptable and I was pretty much there while searching employment but it sure was a fun job for someone who loves these airliners. I've been wanting to plan a vacation where I get to fly on at least one 747 as it would be awesome to get to fly on one. There is a island I see on utube where people get to watch 747s arrive flying unbelievably close over there heads at the beach and I want to go there for the vacation this way I would have the beach and watching airliners come flying in right over my head and the plan is to set it up where I myself come in on a 747 arriving to the island. Of all the videos and pics I've seen of the island it's usually KLM 747s I see coming in. I can't think of the name if the place right now but I have the info saved so I can hopefully go there. Sure would have loved to see this old heathrow you all talk about so going to locate and order this book to get to see some of it. I'm only 7 months into collecting myself and wow is it a addiction for me it's a constant search. I've bought way to many this first 7 months so must slow it down a tad for sure.

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Hello Jake, the island you are thinking of is St Maarten. I'd love to visit there, but i have heard that KLM are no longer flying 747's in.
I saw a programme on TV about it.. and as well as watching the landings, some people hold on to the fence and get blasted as the aircraft rev up to take off..
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Hello Jake, the island you are thinking of is St Maarten. I'd love to visit there, but i have heard that KLM are no longer flying 747's in.
I saw a programme on TV about it.. and as well as watching the landings, some people hold on to the fence and get blasted as the aircraft rev up to take off..
All good clean fun..

KLM stopped 744 ops into St Maarten several months ago. They now offer a direct routing on the A330 that avoids the need to refuel for the home leg in Curacao.
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Hi Alex,

Welcome to the Forum - I'm still relatively new myself but your story resonated with me. I watched the early seasons of BBC Airport (the ones narrated by John Nettles) and absolutely agree that the atmosphere of Heathrow in the mid to late nineties was definitely something else.

I moved to London a few years ago and was very excited to be finally transiting through Heathrow only to find that Terminal 5 was a very sterile place indeed. I think I must be one of the few passengers that enjoy long winding walks through a never ending terminal building. The only place I get a glimpse of that now is bits of Terminal 3 where you can recognise some of the layout. I never got to see the Queen's terminal myself before it was rebuilt but knew my way around quite well just from watching all those airport episodes.

Are you still near East Finchley btw? I'll finish off with a trip down memory lane for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT48V4m-_FQ

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Thank you! Yes I know that programme. Sterile is the best word to describe T5 and all the other new developments; it just doesn't have any character. The architecture of the 50s/60s buildings were very smart and they had so much atmosphere. T3 won't be around for much longer either!

I moved away from East Finchley quite some time ago (live in Vauxhall these days) although I'm still visit that neck of the woods fairly often as I still have a few mates living there. Thanks for that link - LHR exactly as I remember it - I would have been visiting the viewing area back in '98
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Wow I've got to pick up the Heathrow book so I can see some of this you all are all remembering. I myself always have loved any and all airplanes and started working for DHL back in 1993 in the original cvg old building. I was there when they picked up there first 5 dc8s and we even had a dc8 dedication day. Back then I had never seen a 747 in person but it's always been my favorite. Back a few years ago I worked again at the airport fueling airliners at cvg and during that time Dhl came back to cvg. (They had moved the hub to Wilmington for a few years) so I ended up seeing my first 747 and fueled at least one every Sunday. It was usually the polar 747 that was going to Alaska. Fueling the 747 was actually the easiest one I've fueled being it automatically sends the fuel to the proper tanks where on 737s,md90s, and the others we filled the wing tanks first. Pretty sure it was 8500lbs that went in the wings of a 737 so 17,000lbs in the wings then the rest of the load went into the center tank. Seemed like the polar air 747 had 7 tanks total but I could be wrong. I loved fueling airplanes but the pay was not acceptable and I was pretty much there while searching employment but it sure was a fun job for someone who loves these airliners. I've been wanting to plan a vacation where I get to fly on at least one 747 as it would be awesome to get to fly on one. There is a island I see on utube where people get to watch 747s arrive flying unbelievably close over there heads at the beach and I want to go there for the vacation this way I would have the beach and watching airliners come flying in right over my head and the plan is to set it up where I myself come in on a 747 arriving to the island. Of all the videos and pics I've seen of the island it's usually KLM 747s I see coming in. I can't think of the name if the place right now but I have the info saved so I can hopefully go there. Sure would have loved to see this old heathrow you all talk about so going to locate and order this book to get to see some of it. I'm only 7 months into collecting myself and wow is it a addiction for me it's a constant search. I've bought way to many this first 7 months so must slow it down a tad for sure.
Hi Jake, thanks for sharing some of your interesting memories, so cool you were involved with a job like that, the 747 (classic) is my all-time favourite widebody jetliner, oddly enough I haven't flown on one since I was 4 months old (in January 1983, Philippines 747 from Gatwick - Bangkok) so that doesn't really count! It always 777s, A380s or A320s. I've seen those vidoes on YouTube as well - as the other poster points out, it's St.Maarten in the Caribbean

Yeah that book is well worth getting, I'm ordering mine now, it covers 70 years of Heathrow Airport's history with lots of photos and information. Can't believe you're only 7 months into collecting - you must have gone crazy these last few months as your collection is massive! This hobby is so addictive though - I've spent a bit this month myself on some rare BB 747s and other classics
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Hello Jake, the island you are thinking of is St Maarten. I'd love to visit there, but i have heard that KLM are no longer flying 747's in.
I saw a programme on TV about it.. and as well as watching the landings, some people hold on to the fence and get blasted as the aircraft rev up to take off..
All good clean fun..
There's loads of videos on Youtube. Shame KLM stopped flying 747s in, must have been an awesome sight
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