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Old 02-27-2016, 02:53 PM   #1
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At the risk of incurring Andrew's wrath I have been following Panda models as best I can (given they are sold only in China) and have recently been able to acquire some of their output and get hold of a full production list also.

For the record I don't know about the legality of their models or any details about the spat with AC and don't really feel it's anything to do with me. All the manufacturers play fast and loose with licensing. Regardless since AC has stopped using the 737 moulds and seemed never to actually own them I don't see any harm in acquiring some of Panda's very nice releases.

Their models almost totally focus on Chinese releases (which fits my criteria nicely) and their 737s provide a nice counterpoint to the Aeroclassics and Phoenix Airbuses. Plus they have produced some very interesting airlines. For me the highlights have been Hebei Airlines, Donghai Airlines and Dalian Airlines.

I have also managed to get hold of photos of all the releases and Michael has been kindly helping me to get them added to the DiMA database where all can be found:

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Here is the list of Panda's output to February 2016:

Panda Models 1:400 Scale Airliner Releases by rstretton, on Flickr
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They've done some very important releases for me that nobody dares to do, like Air China Inner Mongolia and Shenzhen. Great models!
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Good job RStretton! I look forward to seeing more Y-20s from PM.
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That's a real shame that we likely won't be seeing any of these birds in the States, there certainly are some nice ones.
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Here is my first blog post featuring one of the Panda model releases. Donghai Airlines started as a cargo airline but has recently branched into passenger operations from competitive Shenzhen. I do like this livery:

Shenzhen's Seagull: Donghai Airlines Takes Flight - Yesterday's Airlines

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They recently released two Air Macau A320.
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They recently released two Air Macau A320.
Yeah - one's on order. Plus the New Year model - I've got to get them added to the database.
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Here is my first blog post featuring one of the Panda model releases. Donghai Airlines started as a cargo airline but has recently branched into passenger operations from competitive Shenzhen. I do like this livery:

Shenzhen's Seagull: Donghai Airlines Takes Flight - Yesterday's Airlines

Donghai Airlines Boeing 737-800 by rstretton, on Flickr
Sorry, but that model has got major issues, so I won't be wasting any money on it!!

Why is the front door so much higher than the back door?? That shape of the entire front end has some serious distortion! don't even get me started on those jokes of an engine!!

Just looks like a cheap toy that even the Chinese market will not want to bother with; Pass!!
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Sorry, but that model has got major issues, so I won't be wasting any money on it!!

Why is the front door so much higher than the back door?? That shape of the entire front end has some serious distortion! don't even get me started on those jokes of an engine!!

Just looks like a cheap toy that even the Chinese market will not want to bother with; Pass!!
Fair enough Andrew but those in glass houses (ahem A300 window lines) should be careful about stones thrown. The nose area is probably the best representation of a 737NG in 1:400. At any rate until AC produce a new mould I don't have many options if I want to buy Chinese 737s do I?
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Sorry, but that model has got major issues, so I won't be wasting any money on it!!

Why is the front door so much higher than the back door?? That shape of the entire front end has some serious distortion! don't even get me started on those jokes of an engine!!

Just looks like a cheap toy that even the Chinese market will not want to bother with; Pass!!
I don't know. I got the exact problem AC has for the previous releases.
Same door printing problem...same shape for the entire front end..even same engines!

Do AC models look cheap too? Your call.
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Which is why AC immediately stopped using such substandard gou-shi for it's models!! AC is much better than that!!
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They are going to release these two Xiamen 737-800.
B-6887 normal livery and B-7178 with "The Boeing 8888th 737 Delivery". I think they look great.
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They are going to release these two Xiamen 737-800.
B-6887 normal livery and B-7178 with "The Boeing 8888th 737 Delivery". I think they look great.
They do look nice - better than the Phoenix versions with the misprinted cockpit windows. As you mentioned earlier Panda recently released 2 Air Macaus and a Fantasy Chinese New Year model (all A320s). They have been uploaded to the DiMA database complete with photos:

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Panda Models February 2016 Releases by rstretton, on Flickr
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Often it seems there are so many Chinese start-ups and they all make money from the start. That isn't entirely true however and though few have gone out of business several of the earliest startups of the 2000s have struggled. Hebei Airlines has a tortured past but now under new ownership it has the chance to prove it can be a success:

Northeastern Hot Potato: Hebei Airlines - Yesterday's Airlines

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Sorry, but that looks like a cheap toy, not a collectible model!! The entire shape, and the printing are abhorred!!
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Often it seems there are so many Chinese start-ups and they all make money from the start. That isn't entirely true however and though few have gone out of business several of the earliest startups of the 2000s have struggled. Hebei Airlines has a tortured past but now under new ownership it has the chance to prove it can be a success:

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Hebei Airlines Boeing 737-800 by rstretton, on Flickr
I used to travel quite a lot on Hebei's E190 to Xi'an. They have pretty good service. I also got this B-1930. Never expected to see this coming out.
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Sorry, but that looks like a cheap toy, not a collectible model!! The entire shape, and the printing are abhorred!!
These models seem to be made for the domestic market in China,

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Often it seems there are so many Chinese start-ups and they all make money from the start. That isn't entirely true however and though few have gone out of business several of the earliest startups of the 2000s have struggled. Hebei Airlines has a tortured past but now under new ownership it has the chance to prove it can be a success:
Some of these start ups have been no more than the usual Chinese big business fraud and money laundering exercises. The airline may eventually fail, but some will make money out of it.

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These models seem to be made for the domestic market in China,
They definitely are however they are made to the same high standards as Phoenix, Aeroclassics and Gemini Jets. There is certainly no difference in quality if that is what you are suggesting.

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I don't see that. None are any worse than many foreign startups and indeed all seem to make more sense than a lot of failed US startups. They may not all be well run for various reasons, as I state in the blog post for Hebei, but they are real airlines and the opportunity for them is massive in comparison to more established aviation environments. Can you point to any Chinese airlines not serving a viable market?
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Some of these start ups have been no more than the usual Chinese big business fraud and money laundering exercises. The airline may eventually fail, but some will make money out of it.
Talking about business, I think this is all true around the world, not only in China.
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I don't see that. None are any worse than many foreign startups and indeed all seem to make more sense than a lot of failed US startups. They may not all be well run for various reasons, as I state in the blog post for Hebei, but they are real airlines and the opportunity for them is massive in comparison to more established aviation environments. Can you point to any Chinese airlines not serving a viable market?
Hang on don't you live in NZ, a known safe haven along with Australia for illicit laundered capital out of China?
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_24329736.htm
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Here are the new releases for April
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Another set of great releases. The Panda one is ace - shame that only 50 have been made. With the help of a fellow Dacer I've recently discovered a way to buy on engtaobao so have ordered 3 of these already however they didn't have the HobbyExpo special.

What's the difference between the two Loong Air A320s other than the rego?
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Hang on don't you live in NZ, a known safe haven along with Australia for illicit laundered capital out of China?
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Good links but they point to individual employees at the majors not the airlines being setup themselves as fronts. There certainly is a lot of Chinese capital floating around in NZ. In fact I just sold my house to some first time buyers from China who somehow had over $700,000 at their disposal! They looked like they were about 17 years old.
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No CAAC, no interest.
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Another set of great releases. The Panda one is ace - shame that only 50 have been made. With the help of a fellow Dacer I've recently discovered a way to buy on engtaobao so have ordered 3 of these already however they didn't have the HobbyExpo special.

What's the difference between the two Loong Air A320s other than the rego?
When I received a msg from the retailer, I pre-ordered one ASAP. The panda sold out within an hour.

AFAIK, there is no obivous difference except the reg number.
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I don't know. I got the exact problem AC has for the previous releases.
Same door printing problem...same shape for the entire front end..even same engines!

Do AC models look cheap too? Your call.
This mold and painting designed by the owner of Panda Models.
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If AC thought it was bad, why did they have to use their design? They made their own choice.
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When I received a msg from the retailer, I pre-ordered one ASAP. The panda sold out within an hour.

AFAIK, there is no obivous difference except the reg number.
Easy to sell out in an hour when less than 50 pcs are made!! Surprised there are still 50 people interested in gou-shi for their collections, and not the finely made models offered by AC, GJ, HE, JC, & PH.

Have standards in the hobby sunk that low??
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Easy to sell out in an hour when less than 50 pcs are made!! Surprised there are still 50 people interested in gou-shi for their collections, and not the finely made models offered by AC, GJ, HE, JC, & PH.

Have standards in the hobby sunk that low??
Please enlighten me who else have made this gou-shi? I would be glad to have one if there's an option.
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The reality is that these Panda releases are indistinguishable from Aeroclassics releases. Even if you think the 737NG has issues it is as good as anything made by anyone else and the 737-300s and A320s use the same excellent moulds as AC do. This is clear from the photos and suggestions otherwise are laughable.
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by illegally copying them Richard?? That doesn't go down well with me, and it shouldn't with any other fair minded person!
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by illegally copying them Richard?? That doesn't go down well with me, and it shouldn't with any other fair minded person!
Aren't they their moulds, which you were licensed from them to use? I'm sorry Andrew but I'm not getting involved in the dispute between the two manufacturing parties. They do appear to have used the AC name unlicensed on that GSE but otherwise I haven't seen any evidence of anything else.
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I don't know about the 737s, but AC has been using the current A32x mould long, long before Panda came on the scene. I would posit that the Aeroclassics A32x mould is probably the one that Andrew is referring to.
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by illegally copying them Richard?? That doesn't go down well with me, and it shouldn't with any other fair minded person!
Just sue their a** if you have legal issues between PM, in court, but not here. Even you yell 24/7 here nobody helps you to settle this problem.
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I don't know about the 737s, but AC has been using the current A32x mould long, long before Panda came on the scene. I would posit that the Aeroclassics A32x mould is probably the one that Andrew is referring to.
I have seen lots of conflicting information posted about - much from AK himself. I don't know the truth and in the end I am merely a consumer. They may be naughty boys - I don't know but the reality is the quality of the models is fine.
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Easy to sell out in an hour when less than 50 pcs are made!! Surprised there are still 50 people interested in gou-shi for their collections, and not the finely made models offered by AC, GJ, HE, JC, & PH.

Have standards in the hobby sunk that low??
Blimey Andrew! I see you include JC in that complimentary list (and rightly so). It wasn't that long ago you was ripping JC Wings apart and critising everything about Johan Chan as a person and his products! Whats changed there?
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Just sue their a** if you have legal issues between PM, in court, but not here. Even you yell 24/7 here nobody helps you to settle this problem.
All these politics just kill the fun for this hobby.
Yes, it does kill the fun, but when people like you openly support them, that doesn't help matters either. If those 50 people who buy their gou-shi would stop, they would go away forever. Collectors should stand on some principle too!

There is MORE THAN ENOUGH on the market already without some "monkey-see, monkey-do" douchebag sucking out the fun out of everything. That wanker openly slags off on Chinese forums about my staff, and engages in wholesale slander against AeroClassics, it's Chinese employees, and anyone having any association with Wingsworld in Shanghai. People like Tomi (DS) & FW are good people, and my friends, and I will not remain silent when some unstable person takes to slanderous remarks about them.
I drew a line in the sand, and he has crossed it!!
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Old 04-26-2016, 07:12 AM   #39
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Blimey Andrew! I see you include JC in that complimentary list (and rightly so). It wasn't that long ago you was ripping JC Wings apart and critising everything about Johan Chan as a person and his products! Whats changed there?
I was wrong, and sat down with Mr. Chan to settle our differences like civilized gentlemen. I think we're all getting too old to hold grudges!!
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I was wrong, and sat down with Mr. Chan to settle our differences like civilized gentlemen. I think we're all getting too old to hold grudges!!
You're never too old to hold a grudge in China
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I was wrong, and sat down with Mr. Chan to settle our differences like civilized gentlemen. I think we're all getting too old to hold grudges!!
I know what you mean about getting old!!! lol!
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I was wrong, and sat down with Mr. Chan to settle our differences like civilized gentlemen. I think we're all getting too old to hold grudges!!
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! Now get some of those recently acquired 1/400 moulds from him, that he will probably never use like the BigBird 747 100/200 and 300/400s and the 1/200 Armstrong-Whitworth Argosy and downsize it to 1/400?
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Panda models have been going for about a year now and have caused controversy with Aeroclassics. In part 1 of a 2 part review here is the background to their startup and a look at how you can get their models:

Airline History Blog - Yesterday's Airlines

Panda Models Boeing 737-800s by rstretton, on Flickr
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ARD have some up for pre-order.
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ARD have some up for pre-order.
Indeed they do as I mention in the blog post. A rather random assortment of releases mind.
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In the second part of my review of Panda models I take a look at Panda models quality, releases and also take a sneak peek at some future moulds they have in the wings:

Panda Models Pt2: The Models - Yesterday's Airlines
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Great review! Looking forward for the A319.
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Actually, I don't think PM is toys, although in the details needs to be further improved, its major principle and direction are undoubtedly credible.

But, I don't like some behaviors of their boss as a manufacturer. (who named Kang Kai?)

I worked in Shanghai, which has a biggest airline model shop in P.R.China. As a manufacturer, I think this is a good agency of PM. But seems PM’s boss seems totally disagree. He always said AC and the model shop cheat him together (this is heard from my friends in China, and, some notifies from himself in internet). OK, I heard before PM grow, it is a abrasive tool supplier by AC, and I can believe maybe they have some business dispute. This is normal although we don't want to see as model collectors. But, What puzzles me is why PM’ boss is directed against the Shanghai model shop?

So, someone told me, that is because AC customized some models for the model shop when PM’s boss supply the abrasive tools to AC. And the PM’s boss think that violated the agreement with AC. I don’t know their agreement, but if oneday, I want to customize a model, and I meet andrew, he told me AC can, Why I had to begged a abrasive tool supplier when andrew is in front of me? If you actually have some agreement with AC like Andrew can not made custom model for others, you should negotiate with AC, not point to others

I don’t know how many words are true from PM’s boss, like the below:

I’ve heard the “customized models” include the models which I have ever seen in an official event of China Easten Airlines. I remember PM’s boss had said his friend from “China Easten brand center” (Which department is it?) told him these models is not customized by China Easten, only the Shanghai model shop’s gimmick, and the “China Easten brand center” will charged with them. But, what did I see on the official event?

I hope, PM, as a manufacturer, can credibility and integrity, and have an inclusive heart. Also, most important, to think about the real demand of our model collectors. To coin a Chinese phrase, the development is the eternal theme of win-win cooperation to sustainable development.
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If PM can do this with Chinese airlines, I hope they can make some limited release Russian aircraft as well. Would love to see a Sukhoi SuperJet or AN-148.
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