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Old 05-19-2016, 04:20 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Actually, I don't think PM is toys, although in the details needs to be further improved, its major principle and direction are undoubtedly credible.

But, I don't like some behaviors of their boss as a manufacturer. (who named Kang Kai?)

I worked in Shanghai, which has a biggest airline model shop in P.R.China. As a manufacturer, I think this is a good agency of PM. But seems PM’s boss seems totally disagree. He always said AC and the model shop cheat him together (this is heard from my friends in China, and, some notifies from himself in internet). OK, I heard before PM grow, it is a abrasive tool supplier by AC, and I can believe maybe they have some business dispute. This is normal although we don't want to see as model collectors. But, What puzzles me is why PM’ boss is directed against the Shanghai model shop?

So, someone told me, that is because AC customized some models for the model shop when PM’s boss supply the abrasive tools to AC. And the PM’s boss think that violated the agreement with AC. I don’t know their agreement, but if oneday, I want to customize a model, and I meet andrew, he told me AC can, Why I had to begged a abrasive tool supplier when andrew is in front of me? If you actually have some agreement with AC like Andrew can not made custom model for others, you should negotiate with AC, not point to others

I don’t know how many words are true from PM’s boss, like the below:

I’ve heard the “customized models” include the models which I have ever seen in an official event of China Easten Airlines. I remember PM’s boss had said his friend from “China Easten brand center” (Which department is it?) told him these models is not customized by China Easten, only the Shanghai model shop’s gimmick, and the “China Easten brand center” will charged with them. But, what did I see on the official event?

I hope, PM, as a manufacturer, can credibility and integrity, and have an inclusive heart. Also, most important, to think about the real demand of our model collectors. To coin a Chinese phrase, the development is the eternal theme of win-win cooperation to sustainable development.
Yes, owner of PM is Kang Kai. This person has ZERO integrity!! Until March 2015, only AC would deal with him, and even owners of other brands wonder why AC could deal with such a pian ren, but we always, as you Chinese would say, try to co-operate for the win-win!!
Then the pian-zi cheated us. He released models using our brand name without our prior knowledge or permission. He poached workers from us, and then he stole our IP and copied our A-320 tooling.
He then went on all the Chinese forums, and insulted/slandered the AC production manager, and called anyone who purchased from Wingsworld horrible dogs (impossible to translate his vulgarities). The horrible things he wrote about Wingsworld owners I won't even repeat.
In May 2015, the scumbag made some contact with local Chinese government in Zhejiang province, who raided the AC factory looking for unlicensed models. Of course they found nothing, but such behavior is completely repugnant. We will do all we can to be sure his brand fails!!
There is nothing they produce which others can not produce better!

I know some collectors don't care, and just want their models, however we will not sit idly by while these kind of dirtbags try to prosper through cheating, slander, and deceptive & illegal business practices. We will not show kindness to those who positively promote PM's gou-shi!! Sorry!
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Old 05-19-2016, 04:23 PM   #52 (permalink)
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If PM can do this with Chinese airlines, I hope they can make some limited release Russian aircraft as well. Would love to see a Sukhoi SuperJet or AN-148.
PM are copycats and thieves; I doubt you will get your wishes from them; Herpa would be a much better bet, and legitimate companies such as Herpa, whom have brought us a lot of great Russian air frames in past should be supported!!
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Panda models continues to make a name for itself, at least if you're interested in Chinese airliners and GSE. Since my last review they've been really busy and made some lovely models. Here's what they have been up to since April:

Panda Models May-September 2016 - Yesterday's Airlines

Latest Panda Models Arrivals by rstretton, on Flickr
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If you are Australian or a New Zealander you may be familiar with this aircraft, which gained some notoriety in those countries. If you're an avgeek you certainly will be familiar with private Chinese BBJs visiting those shores. Its a little obscure, but a nice release to see and one of several BBJs Panda have made:

Evergrande's Private Jet Extravagance - Yesterday's Airlines

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Just a question for aklein707 the most of my collection are 747s and I've researched a lot on them to learn aeroclassics, big bird, Apollo are among the best. I'm confused at your list of manufacturers to say no to and take the deceit out of our hobby. I thought big bird and aeroclassics shared a 747 mold or worked together with the 747 so am confused of why they are on the list?? Also I did not know there are also fake bigbirds out there either. Is there Any way of distinguishing a real from a fake?? Also witty is still on the list to stay away from and after reading this thread I figure if all is settled you would take them off the list as well. Unless witty 400 is different from witty?? Possibly a second witty copy I have not heard of yet?? Which could very well be the case here.

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Just a question for aklein707 the most of my collection are 747s and I've researched a lot on them to learn aeroclassics, big bird, Apollo are among the best. I'm confused at your list of manufacturers to say no to and take the deceit out of our hobby. I thought big bird and aeroclassics shared a 747 mold or worked together with the 747 so am confused of why they are on the list?? Also I did not know there are also fake bigbirds out there either. Is there Any way of distinguishing a real from a fake?? Also witty is still on the list to stay away from and after reading this thread I figure if all is settled you would take them off the list as well. Unless witty 400 is different from witty?? Possibly a second witty copy I have not heard of yet?? Which could very well be the case here.
He's the boss for aeroclassics. Everything is about making money, the good way and the bad way. This gotta be the first time somebody actually reads that list.

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He's the boss for aeroclassics. Everything is about making money, the good way and the bad way. This gotta be the first time somebody actually reads that list.
Yes I know he is the boss for aeroclassics and that's why I'm asking why bigbird is on the list to stay away from when I had thought bigbird and aeroclassics shared the same mold working together with the 747?? Isn't the bigbird and aeroclassics 747 from the same mold??
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Yes I know he is the boss for aeroclassics and that's why I'm asking why bigbird is on the list to stay away from when I had thought bigbird and aeroclassics shared the same mold working together with the 747?? Isn't the bigbird and aeroclassics 747 from the same mold??
They are the same mould (at least BigBird Mk1s and ACs). I don't know the ins and outs but doing business in China seems very dodgy with lots of mould stealing and various other things going on. I guess Big Bird annoyed Andrew at some point.

My understanding is BigBird Mk2 are different moulds but the new BigBird Mk3s (if they ever release anymore models) are using the original moulds of Mk1 and are a sub-brand of JC Wings. Its all very complicated and nobody ever knows the full story so best just to concentrate on the models themselves.
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I’ve heard the “customized models” include the models which I have ever seen in an official event of China Easten Airlines. I remember PM’s boss had said his friend from “China Easten brand center” (Which department is it?) told him these models is not customized by China Easten, only the Shanghai model shop’s gimmick, and the “China Easten brand center” will charged with them. But, what did I see on the official event?
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I’ve heard the “customized models” include the models which I have ever seen in an official event of China Easten Airlines. I remember PM’s boss had said his friend from “China Easten brand center” (Which department is it?) told him these models is not customized by China Easten, only the Shanghai model shop’s gimmick, and the “China Easten brand center” will charged with them. But, what did I see on the official event?
Sorry I don't understand what you're saying. What customised models are you talking about?
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During the 1990s there were a bevy of small startup airlines in China some of which went on to big things but many of which have effectively vanished. China Xinhua is one that seems to live in a limbo as part of the HNA group. Is it alive or is it dead?

China Xinhua: Hainan's Beijing Chamaeleon - Yesterday's Airlines

Nice release from Panda models of an obscure airline nonetheless!

China Xinhua Airlines Boeing 737-300 by rstretton, on Flickr
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I’ve heard the “customized models” include the models which I have ever seen in an official event of China Easten Airlines. I remember PM’s boss had said his friend from “China Easten brand center” (Which department is it?) told him these models is not customized by China Easten, only the Shanghai model shop’s gimmick, and the “China Easten brand center” will charged with them. But, what did I see on the official event?
He's talking about the lies and innuendo fed to him by Kangkai, the scumbag who owns Panda. That dirtbag spreads lies and smears against the shop in Shanghai, because they are successful, and refuse to deal with Panda, and rightly so; Panda models is run by thieves and liars with personality disorders.
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He's talking about the lies and innuendo fed to him by Kangkai, the scumbag who owns Panda. That dirtbag spreads lies and smears against the shop in Shanghai, because they are successful, and refuse to deal with Panda, and rightly so; Panda models is run by thieves and liars with personality disorders.
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They are the same mould (at least BigBird Mk1s and ACs). I don't know the ins and outs but doing business in China seems very dodgy with lots of mould stealing and various other things going on. I guess Big Bird annoyed Andrew at some point.

My understanding is BigBird Mk2 are different moulds but the new BigBird Mk3s (if they ever release anymore models) are using the original moulds of Mk1 and are a sub-brand of JC Wings. Its all very complicated and nobody ever knows the full story so best just to concentrate on the models themselves.
Waffle has 2 pre order release big birds that are supposed to be coming. Are these the mk3s that use the mk1 mold you speak of?? Or are they the mk2 big bird??
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They are the Mk3s
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The irony in this part is priceless. Thank you Andrew for bringing a smile to my day.
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2017 is less than a day old but the first release announcements of the new year are crackers. Panda have really impressed me with this bunch. New A330-300 and A330-200F moulds plus more A320NEOs, fire engines and buses. Check them out here:

New Panda Model Jan 2017 Releases - Yesterday's Airlines

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I am sure these models sell well in China, but Panda Models don't seem to be interested in what the rest of the world wants. Half of these start-up airlines I have never heard of and probably don't fly outside China, so I have no interest in buying any of their releases so far.
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I am sure these models sell well in China, but Panda Models don't seem to be interested in what the rest of the world wants. Half of these start-up airlines I have never heard of and probably don't fly outside China, so I have no interest in buying any of their releases so far.
I understand Adrian but you are in the minority. The GSE alone is great and the A330 Freighter is excellent and would sell very well outside China in this and other liveries like Avianca. Then the A320NEO - there'll be literally hundreds of models of that type in the next 5 years.
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Low cost airlines are gradually finding favour with the Chinese authorities and one of the most recent is Jiangxi Air - a joint venture with Xiamen Airlines. This is another really nice release from Panda models from last year:

Air Crane LCC: Jiangxi Air - Yesterday's Airlines

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I don't mind the fact that they do 95% Chinese airline models. Everyone has a market and they've found theirs at the moment. If they expand more into European airlines then I'll consider them, but always nice to have another player in the market.
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Please checkout my detailed review of the Panda 737 MAX 8 at Diecast Flier - it's a cracking model:

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I must admit I don't collect Panda models as they are not doing models that fit my criteria but they do look good.
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He's talking about the lies and innuendo fed to him by Kangkai, the scumbag who owns Panda. That dirtbag spreads lies and smears against the shop in Shanghai, because they are successful, and refuse to deal with Panda, and rightly so; Panda models is run by thieves and liars with personality disorders.
Was'nt this the case with JC years ago?

This is exactly the same argument you rolled out for ages and now your best friends with JC!? Thats hilarious.

Anyway - got the popcorn out and panic buyer hat on - cheers to broken records.
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