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Old 04-15-2015, 04:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi ! I saw today some new Phx prices. Each model is arround 37 to 42 € (40-46 $). I believe is too much expensive, don't you ?
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Old 04-15-2015, 04:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It is because of the Dollar.
In Europe it isn't a good thing....
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Old 04-15-2015, 06:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yes I agree, Phoenix models are the least eligible to deserve that kind of monay.
I've just paid for a pre-order and I got a bit of a surprise.
Thankfully (with the AUD to USD being not so flash) the lack of anything being released that I want allows me to not have to mortgage a kidney or leg.
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Well, maybe you're not looking in the right places...

Pieter has it partially correct.
The fall of the euro since last year october (-20%) + increased model pricing + increased shipping prices cause the prices here in the EU to go up quite steep lately.
Not only the prices for the Phx models i might add, this affects (mostly) the whole range of model pricing here in Europe
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Old 04-15-2015, 06:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Agree it's global and all are affected but PH do seem to always be higher than the others even before the decline of currencies against the USD.
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Old 04-15-2015, 09:18 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Let's just hope the prices don't sky rocket like they have in the diecast car hobby...
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Old 04-15-2015, 11:09 PM   #7 (permalink)
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At least in the US, new-build models directly from merchants seem to be about the same as they have been for the past year. I mostly buy Aeroclassics, FWIW. But, I just ordered the new Phoenix Ryanair 738 from Waffle, regular price is $35.95 plus $7.15 shipping, which is about average. I don't remember the price on the PHX Lufthansa Siegerflieger 748, but it wasn't particularly expensive, either.

Certain secondhand models on E-Bay seem to be the problem. >:+(

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The prices in the US will not be affected because of this curreny situation.
Those models+shipping are usually paid in USD, so the only inflation you guys have is caused by model prices itself.

When the USD was 1.5 euro, models were very cheap in the USA/HK for EU collectors.
Now the situation is more or less 1:1. so it's a more level playingfield now.
But many people here probably still have to get used to this "new" situation, as that large difference in price is gone now.
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Old 04-16-2015, 05:21 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Well, maybe you're not looking in the right places...

Pieter has it partially correct.
The fall of the euro since last year october (-20%) + increased model pricing + increased shipping prices cause the prices here in the EU to go up quite steep lately.
Not only the prices for the Phx models i might add, this affects (mostly) the whole range of model pricing here in Europe
I will see to your website for my next order, even though I don't buy as much models as before.
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Old 04-16-2015, 07:32 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Jim: "I don't remember the price on the PHX Lufthansa Siegerflieger 748, but it wasn't particularly expensive, either." The price in the U.S. for these 'heavies' when initially offered by retailers is now around $40, and when I joined DA.C in '09, the price for similar models was in the $25 range, so yeah, when you add $10 or more for shipping you're starting to talk real money. Still, if you see a 'future release' offered by Waffle or EZToys, grab it quick, or it'll be $60-$80 a few weeks later when it shows up on eBay. And that's a fact, Doug

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Jim: "I don't remember the price on the PHX Lufthansa Siegerflieger 748, but it wasn't particularly expensive, either." The price in the U.S. for these 'heavies' when initially offered by retailers is now around $40...
grab it quick, or it'll be $60-$80 a few weeks later when it shows up on eBay. And that's a fact, Doug
This statement is not necessarily true.
Indeed there are many people on Ebay which try to make a small fortune there, but if you have serious sellers, the price will be retail + a few USD/GBP/EUR extra for the fees Ebay charges.

Ebay offers a great "search" possibility in which you can select what you are looking for and from where..
Not everybody uses this function and only search in their "own" Ebay (.com or .co.uk for example).
not always will also all ads. from other sellers outside those .com and .co.uk be visible there
It's the same with regular stores, sometimes you have to think outside the box to find what you want, for the best price that you are willing to pay.

We also sell models on Ebay and we only add the Ebay fees when we price our models.
But our regular site comes first. If a model is (close to) sold out, we will not offer it on Ebay
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Old 04-16-2015, 07:55 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Doug, I think a lot of these price hikes can be put down to greed. As an example I'll quote the asking price on e-bay for a Korean Air A380-800 which is €107+ €25.50 P&P. To me, that is outrageous. I was asking €35.00 for my Lufthansa A380, and not a soul bid for it, so what chance has the guy asking €107 got? Kind regards, Geoff
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Jim: "This statement is not necessarily true. Indeed there are many people on Ebay which try to make a small fortune there, but if you have serious sellers, the price will be retail + a few USD/GBP/EUR extra for the fees Ebay charges."

Hi, Jim. I am an eBay junkie, and spend way too much time working every possible search. I usually buy models when initially offered by retailers, but I miss some, especially the Aeroclassics limited offerings. If I'm lucky, I may snatch a rare model that shows up for an instant on Waffle's Collection sales, otherwise, it's here on DA.C sales, or eBay, and the models I'm looking for are always in that $60-$80 category (or more...). But what you say is generally true - there are some decent retailers who use eBay appropriately - not talking Virginfans or In-the-Air-Now types who you refer to as small fortune hunters, and Geoff as outrageous, and rightly so. Later, Doug

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Old 04-16-2015, 09:49 AM   #15 (permalink)
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In general the current currency situation as well as the increasing number of models being released each month by manufacturer have caused me to do a re-think of collecting. In fact I have yet to order any of this month's Phoenix models. It's a bit like cutting back on an addiction with the same pains and frustrations but in the end, I am finding that I feel fine to simply not get a model, how ever much I would want it. I think we'll see a lot more Chinese and US releases this year as these are now obviously the markets with collectors with money to spend.
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I echo r3500vdp's sentiments precisely. Add the high prices to the extremely variable quality and this is a huge deterrent to me
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I echo r3500vdp's sentiments precisely. Add the high prices to the extremely variable quality and this is a huge deterrent to me
I fully concur with your statement. With me, I'm afraid collecting is almost a compulsion, but agree with you over your phrase variable quality. I know the old saying "You get what you pay for", but ,sorry that does not always apply now.
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Old 04-17-2015, 08:16 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I have only been in the hobby for a year and as much as I like Phoenix, I have bought cheaper brands because in the end it's just a model with no function.
I like to show off the fine print on my PHX A380 to friends with a magnifying glass that isn't legible on a JC Wings or whatever brand, but am happy with just a few PHX and the rest less detailed but cheaper.
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