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Old 03-02-2014, 03:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The QC makes me speechless! Look at those engines!!!

Years ago, Phoenix had made some fantastic models. In other words, they have abilities to produce high quality models. Why not mention that?


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Old 03-02-2014, 04:03 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Freaking amazing. The cost of these models keep going up and the quality keeps going down
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Freaking amazing. The cost of these models keep going up and the quality keeps going down
If Phoenix raises the price for better quality, I will glad to pay.
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I have a model like that (CX 748F). Cant say it bothers me too much. If it turned up with a wing snapped in half, fair enough. But for something minor like that, I won't lose any sleep over.
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I have a model like that (CX 748F). Cant say it bothers me too much. If it turned up with a wing snapped in half, fair enough. But for something minor like that, I won't lose any sleep over.
That's pretty damn noticeable I'd say and not minor!
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Old 03-02-2014, 02:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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That is unacceptable, period. These manufacturers are making collectables, not toys. 2 right engines=toy.
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Were you able to get a discount, based on the 'engine' problem? Can you still return it for another model? Bad ending = you are stuck with it?
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Old 03-02-2014, 04:24 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Yes, a QC issue, but only about assembly. Assuming you can acquire a correct engine that is a very easy fix. I sometimes think these things get blown out of proportion.
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I have a model like that (CX 748F). Cant say it bothers me too much. If it turned up with a wing snapped in half, fair enough. But for something minor like that, I won't lose any sleep over.
C'mon - get real ! If this is your idea of "minor", I would be curious to know what you consider to be a major cluster$&%$.
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Old 03-02-2014, 05:38 PM   #10 (permalink)
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The QC makes me speechless! Look at those engines!!!


Well, the only suggestion I can give you is to find the guy whose 777 has the strake on the right-side of his engines and make a trade

Seriously though - this is another example of complacency on the part of the Chinese manufacturers who clearly don't give a crap about quality. Why? Because we have become too reliant on them to make things on the cheap, regardless if they are diecast models or electronics - as long as there is cheap labor (for the time being) we will send anything over there to get manufactured.

Someone on the 'No Gemini March Releases' (or whatever it was) asked if people would be willing to purchase these diecast models if they were manufactured in the U.S. (i.e. if they were more expensive). I would argue yes and the quality would be much better because people in this country take pride in their work. Some of you may argue with that statement, but I believe I am correct on this.

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Old 03-02-2014, 06:00 PM   #11 (permalink)
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2 rights make a wrong!
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I would argue yes and the quality would be much better because people in this country take pride in their work. Some of you may argue with that statement, but I believe I am correct on this.
I wouldn't be so sure - there have been examples of manufacturers in the US having trouble because they can't find workers with the right skills in the US, either.

Keep in mind also that one reason that quality is sometimes higher in Europe/US than in China is that due to higher labour costs, the factories in the Western world are more automated, with robots doing more of the work. It isn't worker vs worker, but worker vs robot.
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I wouldn't be so sure - there have been examples of manufacturers in the US having trouble because they can't find workers with the right skills in the US, either.

Keep in mind also that one reason that quality is sometimes higher in Europe/US than in China is that due to higher labour costs, the factories in the Western world are more automated, with robots doing more of the work. It isn't worker vs worker, but worker vs robot.
That's the claim. However, the real issue is that U.S. manufacturers' do not want to have to pay for the right skills when it comes to U.S. workers. Hence, why U.S. companies have pushing hard for immigration reform (i.e. amnesty for illegals) - if you can't export jobs to cheap labor, import the cheap labor into this country.
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That's the claim. However, the real issue is that U.S. manufacturers' do not want to have to pay for the right skills when it comes to U.S. workers. Hence, why U.S. companies have pushing hard for immigration reform (i.e. amnesty for illegals) - if you can't export jobs to cheap labor, import the cheap labor into this country.
You can't do that either. Minimum wage will soon be over $10 an hour, and as soon as the illegals are given amnesty, they will demand the same high pay as everyone else, and get it because the ACLU will be sniffing their butts the whole time.
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Old 03-02-2014, 10:31 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Yes, a QC issue, but only about assembly. Assuming you can acquire a correct engine that is a very easy fix. I sometimes think these things get blown out of proportion.
The pylon was easy to break, besides the logo on the vertical stabilizer crooked.
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I still can't believe this is called a "major" QC issue. For goodness sake, send out a message to the collecting public and ask if anyone has the engine you need. Collectors are typically willing to help and there are some out there with many parts they might part with. For a $1 shipping you can get one and replace the engine. Search around on the forum for a couple of hours and you will see some true major problems but I suppose it comes down to what people interpret as major and what they choose to whine about. For me, if it's a broken part, or defective paint or something like that and I can find a reasonable way to fix it, it's not major. These are not Rolex's they are toys.
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Hi Condor757,

I can't say much about our rife candor with Chinese labor issues other than the fact that we would fail miserably at diplomatic relations. To counteract this embarrassment, there are enough American labor issues that would fill countless volumes. I know a picture is worth a thousand words, but because you are from China, maybe you can expand further on your title: "Re: No more silence" if you would like.
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I still can't believe this is called a "major" QC issue. For goodness sake, send out a message to the collecting public and ask if anyone has the engine you need. Collectors are typically willing to help and there are some out there with many parts they might part with. For a $1 shipping you can get one and replace the engine. Search around on the forum for a couple of hours and you will see some true major problems but I suppose it comes down to what people interpret as major and what they choose to whine about. For me, if it's a broken part, or defective paint or something like that and I can find a reasonable way to fix it, it's not major. These are not Rolex's they are toys.
Probably easier to find a matching tom-tom. But if you're gonna play a solo, please, no more than three minutes.
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Old 03-02-2014, 11:52 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Move on to bigger scale I would reckon....
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Move on to bigger scale I would reckon....
That time of year where the Phoenix goes into flameout mode. Not a good scene.
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The worker was either tired or bored and simply grabbed the wrong engine. Hell, it could have arrived here and honestly I may have completely overlooked that the port engine was incorrect because that simply is a very rare issue to happen. Yes, its stupid but I've seen way worse even just recently.

I hope you can find a suitable replacement soon.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:44 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I wonder how many angry people there would be if the Seahawks 747-8 has all these QC problems... This March release may very well be my last Phoenix order.
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2 rights make a wrong!

It isn't RIGHT to have 2 RIGHT engines and it is RIGHT to said it is wrong.
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