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Old 02-27-2014, 01:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just the latest in bad news from this dysfunctional company.


Air China 777-3 smile #PH4CCA1029 – cancelled

Orient Thai 747 #PH4OEA1062 – delayed

China Airlines A330 Taiwan #PH4CAL1063 – large reduction in production

Qatar 777-300ER #PH4QTR1064 – large reduction in production

Boeing 787-900 #PH4BOE1067 – 50% reduction in production. More might be made again next month.

Peach A320s – 70% reduction in order due to qc problems.
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No wonder there is reduction in production, putting out the same stuff again and again
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No wonder there is reduction in production, putting out the same stuff again and again
There is no way Phoenix could honestly have thought they could have done full production runs of that many models right off the bat from Chinese New Year. The reduction in production is due to lack of workers and failing internal QC checks for the product the new workers made.
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Dysfunctional sums them up. Hopeless QC and I don't entertain their 200 scale product.
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Dysfunctional sums them up. Hopeless QC and I don't entertain their 200 scale product.
Nobody seems to entertain their 1:200 releases. Heck even Herpa outsells them by a large margin in 1:200.
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:07 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Before I stopped collecting, I put up a thread stating that the quality of PH's models (forgetting the issues around CNY) was getting steadily worse each month and many of the PH fanboy collectors flamed me.
Now I rarely see a positive thread about them...
I told ya! but hey, please continue pisssing your money against the wall.
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Their 1/200 range is good for the TU 134 model and that's all!
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Air China 777-3 smile #PH4CCA1029 – cancelled
Was this a re-run? I already have this model in hand.

It is certainly annoying when you order a model and it gets delayed though...
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Was this a re-run? I already have this model in hand.

It is certainly annoying when you order a model and it gets delayed though...
By the time the models for the N. America market were being pulled, it was realized there weren't any left that passed QC. Phoenix said the models would be re-done for that market when possible and has now cancelled that.
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More then likely when your awesome retailer found out that none made it to the USofA he found the model for you through his alternate sources. No different then all those PHX models not making it to the US that he still advertises and supplies.
Waffle, I'd say you're a normal retailer like any other, not awesome.
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More then likely when your awesome retailer found out that none made it to the USofA he found the model for you through his alternate sources. No different then all those PHX models not making it to the US that he still advertises and supplies.
And many thanks as always for going above and beyond.
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Their 1/200 range is good for the TU 134 model and that's all!
Absolute! Their TU134 is awesome. If only their 154 was that good.
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More then likely when your awesome retailer found out that none made it to the USofA he found the model for you through his alternate sources. No different then all those PHX models not making it to the US that he still advertises and supplies.
More then likely when your pain in the *** retailer found out that none made it to the USofA he found the model for you through his anus, and kept the info to himself because he wanted to be the MAN. No different then all those PHX models not making it to the US that he still advertises and supplies.

The models must get through, waffle warfel must get his $$$$$
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I got my Air China 77W Smiling China a few weeks ago!! It's great!!

Can't say much about the others as they don't interest me.


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Just the latest in bad news from this dysfunctional company.


Air China 777-3 smile #PH4CCA1029 – cancelled

Orient Thai 747 #PH4OEA1062 – delayed

China Airlines A330 Taiwan #PH4CAL1063 – large reduction in production

Qatar 777-300ER #PH4QTR1064 – large reduction in production

Boeing 787-900 #PH4BOE1067 – 50% reduction in production. More might be made again next month.

Peach A320s – 70% reduction in order due to qc problems.
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Love 1:200 727's by Phoenix! Not sure about their 1:400 line.
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I can say the antennas are a pain. Missing,loose in the cradle,or on backwards is common.
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I can say the antennas are a pain. Missing,loose in the cradle,or on backwards is common.
I've even seen back-to-front satnavs on the 77Ws! The painting is also terrible, seems like they arent giving the models enough time to dry. Lots of scratches, scuffs, smudges and faded paint on the recent batches
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Not to mention the quality, my QR 77W OW came all scratched up
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I've even seen back-to-front satnavs on the 77Ws! The painting is also terrible, seems like they arent giving the models enough time to dry. Lots of scratches, scuffs, smudges and faded paint on the recent batches
Not good at all. Does any DAC member/collector have any photos/pics of such models as SgtMoody has described above to share on the DAC?
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Not good at all. Does any DAC member/collector have any photos/pics of such models as SgtMoody has described above to share on the DAC?
I've only got 6 Phoenix models from all they've released since 2012 (only the Russian stuff is of interest) however of those one of the IL96s is missing its antenna and my most recent TU-154 (Aeroflot Olympics) has a very noticeable scuff mark on the port nose radome under the anti-glare shield. Here it is:


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And Tim, I'd say you're more of a pain in the arse, than normal. So it balances out.
You're right Michael, I'm still coming down from the stress associated with my partner's recent open heart surgery.
Not something I would want to go through again any time soon.
My apologies, my buying experiences from Waffle Co have been flawless.

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Peach A320s – 70% reduction in order due to qc problems.
Looking at all the issues with their previous releases, I wonder how bad these qc problems must be for them to take notice. Missing fuselage maybe?
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Personally, I've never had a problem with Phoenix models: old or new. They make up the majority of my collection
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I was so disappointed when I received my Tiger Airways A320. Cockpit windows misaligned, registration number partially swiped off, scratched APU. What's more for PHX? Even the Cathay Pacific SOHK 77W had QC problems, nose gear doors tilted.
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My last 2 PHX 777-300s came in kit form and a number of others have bent/misaligned gears, incorrectly/insufficiently glued components.
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PHX is having issues again I see. Not too good to hear. I remember back in 08' when I ordered a GJ 767-300WL that was made in their factory for a friend. The Wing literally fell out the moment I picked it up. Thankfully that was an easy fix, and the only issue compared with others at the time. I guess the Chinese New Year can be blamed a little on this, as I understand that many workers simply leave the job during then.
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Got word the Orient Thai, CI and Boeing 787-9 is on its way to me from HK.

Are European retailers having the same issue?
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I've even seen back-to-front satnavs on the 77Ws! The painting is also terrible, seems like they arent giving the models enough time to dry. Lots of scratches, scuffs, smudges and faded paint on the recent batches
My Tiger A320 has a scratched reg


My SQ 77W 9V-SWU was the best of the batch and has a scratched A, i didnt take photos of the rest i inspected


Check out the almighty bubble on my SQ 773 9V-SYK, which also came with both horizontal stabilizers dropped off. Luckily there was no paint damage and i glued both of it back into place but it doesnt fit 100% right.


The B789s in the recent release are particularity bad. A friend inspected a batch and found all of them suffering from defects such as very bad paint, missing gear, loose parts. Just look at the following picture and marvel at the amount of QC problems


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I am wondering if PH is trying to regroup? They don't really respond to people on their FB page but I think they know about the QC control issues complained about throughout the forums. I think they bit off more then they could chew with the New Year coming early this year. GJ has the same issues but decided not to release any 1/400s this month. They were smart.
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[QUOTE=JeffinMass;1092406]I am wondering if PH is trying to regroup?

Probably more like re hire and re train. I watched a documentary a year or so ago on PBS Channel about the CNY called Last Train Home. It followed Chinese workers trying to get back home by train to see their families in time. Most of the workers were farmers who wanted to try the 'big city' out in look for work. Pretty interesting watch.

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I am wondering if PH is trying to regroup? They don't really respond to people on their FB page but I think they know about the QC control issues complained about throughout the forums. I think they bit off more then they could chew with the New Year coming early this year. GJ has the same issues but decided not to release any 1/400s this month. They were smart.
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.... Another reason I don't buy any more. Two years this months since last purchase (they were old releases) and 3 years 1 month since last new release purchase.

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Hopefully no problems with the Scoot and Seahawk 12 I have on order, but it's a good thing there are retailers like Nick who actually check their products before shipping.
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I'm new to the 1:400-scale. I'm very interested in the Phoenix models, it seems they've done some very nice releases. They have done many liveries I have been searching in the 1:500 scale.
But what comes to my mind is; are they really worth the prices? They are expensive and it seems the damage-risk is quite high?
A nice livery and model is worth nothing to me if it has wrong engines, mistakes on fuselage and if the livery is way off. All this is the reason I began looking in other directions from the 1:500 scale.
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Andreas-DK....You have entered the 1/400-scale at a time when PH among others are having QC issues. It is very clear to me they are aware of the problem. I'm not putting a blame on any particular problem but the Chinese New Year did come early this year and I think the factories "rushed" it to soon. That being said in manufacturing or in any field there are always going to be defects. That being said there are always going to be critics. I have a substantial collection of 1/400s with less than 1 % defective rate. Does that mean that I may receive one with a wing detached ? Hey they travel thousands of miles to get to my door step. I just glue it back. Some people on these forums will always complain. Enjoy the hobby.
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I'm new to the 1:400-scale. I'm very interested in the Phoenix models, it seems they've done some very nice releases. They have done many liveries I have been searching in the 1:500 scale.
But what comes to my mind is; are they really worth the prices? They are expensive and it seems the damage-risk is quite high?
A nice livery and model is worth nothing to me if it has wrong engines, mistakes on fuselage and if the livery is way off. All this is the reason I began looking in other directions from the 1:500 scale.
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Andreas-DK....You have entered the 1/400-scale at a time when PH among others are having QC issues. It is very clear to me they are aware of the problem. I'm not putting a blame on any particular problem but the Chinese New Year did come early this year and I think the factories "rushed" it to soon. That being said in manufacturing in whatever field there are always going to be defects. That being said there are always going to be critics. I have a substantial collection of 1/400s with less than 1 % defective rate. Does that mean that I may receive one with a wing detached ? Hey they travel thousands of miles to get to my door step. I just glue it back yet some people on these forums will always complain. Enjoy the hobby.
I have to agree with Jeff in his reply to your question.
Phx is no different than other manufacturers.
All can have issue's every now and then.

I guess you could ask your retailer to check your models prior to shipping.
That will lower the possible "issue rate" to a minimum
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Agree with the above too!! Retailers should always check items (whatever they are) before shipping to customers. One never knows what will break or come loose during a rough ride.
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.... Another reason I don't buy any more. Two years this months since last purchase (they were old releases) and 3 years 1 month since last new release purchase.

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Old 03-13-2014, 07:55 PM   #41 (permalink)
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My PHX models have no major issues - either the ones that turn up in the mail or bought in person.
I find GJ has more issues and can be frustrating....but its quite random.
The ones that have rolling gears can be the worst - even though I love the feature, when the axle falls apart and the tyres seperate, good luck with that!!
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No real problems with the latest release...only minor paint chip where the engine and the silver intake ring meets on one of the models.
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Attachment 91287 Fingers crossed my China Southern 773ER arrives in one piece. Really like this release.
And it did! My example was flawless. Thank you Nick at Jetway models
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And it did! My example was flawless. Thank you Nick at Jetway models
Glad to hear that.
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I just received my PH CZ China Southern B773ER and Boeing House B789. I had asked my dealer to check them out prior to shipping and he did. Both of them arrived without any issue at all except for a loose horizontal stabilizer that I can re glue myself. There weren't any paint smudges, defects, scratches or anything that have been mentioned here in this and other PH bashing threads. I also received my UN Transaero B744 "Hands" and I don't see anything wrong with it either including the front nose gear. Perhaps I am just lucky or realize that defects may occur.
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I just received my PH CZ China Southern B773ER and Boeing House B789. I had asked my dealer to check them out prior to shipping and he did. Both of them arrived without any issue at all except for a loose horizontal stabilizer that I can re glue myself. There weren't any paint smudges, defects, scratches or anything that have been mentioned here in this and other PH bashing threads. I also received my UN Transaero B744 "Hands" and I don't see anything wrong with it either including the front nose gear. Perhaps I am just lucky or realize that defects may occur.
Am I the only one here who thinks that even a loose horizontal stabilizer is a defect (even if it's easily fixable)? Models should arrive in one piece, we pay enough for them!
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And it did! My example was flawless. Thank you Nick at Jetway models
Your very welcome!
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I noticed this past year a lot of stuff across the 1:200 range was not the greatest. I pretty much have dropped out of collecting new stuff. I do get enjoyment out of much of the 200 collected so far, but after the brilliant little IF 880, have throttled waaaay back to nil. The upcoming Convair 990 is the only model I see on the horizon snapping at my credit card....unless of course if something amazing and vintage comes into view.
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Hi guys, just a shout out to all the B789 owners, your Dreamliner is missing the D!

Checkout the port side 'Dreamliner' Reamliner, awesome!


Check out all the paint scratches


Oh look at another example, we see EXCELLENT paintwork


Im so glad i didnt buy this model, This is idiculous!
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